The Qur'aan Cosmological Model
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Posted By: al-amiyr
Subject: The Qur'aan Cosmological Model
Date Posted: 03 December 2012 at 3:30pm
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- - - - - - - - - - Post 1 Subject: The Quran and Cosmology Two articles up for discussion and/or debate I wrote for a local newspaper in 1991. I have expanded considerably upon them a few months later and in much greater detail since after that as well. I have discussed the subject elsewhere and have received from many posters their enlightening opinions. Hope to receive valuable comments here as well. Remember this is just an introduction to the book called The Qur'aan Cosmological Model: A delineation of the origin, evolution, and final fate of the current universe. The real discussion goes into the unimaginable details of just two cosmological verses of the Qur'aan that I am making now known to the world inshaa allaah. Article One The Qur�aan Cosmological Model is based upon two verses of The Qur�aan. The Qur�aan is composed of about 6300 verses. These two Qur�aanic verses contain within themselves the plan or cosmological structure and design of the entire universe from before T = 0 (Time was equal to zero) until again when T = 0 (Time will again be Zero) and after. The two Qur�aanic cosmological verses state as follows; Qur�aan Chapter 021:030 -that the entire universe i.e. the sun, moon, stars and all other extra-terrestrial phenomena as well as the earth became �a singular mass� in higher dimensional time reversed. -that �the singular mass� underwent a splitting apart as observed at present time. Qur�aan Chapter 021:104 -that the universe would continue in its splitting apart phase until it had reached a maximum splitting apart or maximum expansion. -that the universe would one day again contract and become �a singular mass�. -that �the singular mass� would again undergo a splitting apart to form another universe. The implications of the analyses of the data derived from the above two Qur�aanic cosmological verses are earthshaking. Firstly, it took thousands of years, thousands of the most intelligent men and women who ever lived, studying many branches of knowledge to reach the same conclusion as chapter 021:030 of The Qur�aan, the first mentioned cosmological verse that states that the universe was �a singular mass� which then split apart. Secondly, this was contained in Einstein�s General Theory of Relativity which he published in 1916, soon afterwards explained by Alexander Friedman in 1922 and later verified by Edwin Hubble in 1929, when he was commissioned to search the depth of the universe through the most advanced scientific instrument at the time, the newly built one hundred inch diameter Mount Wilson Telescope. Humanity�s knowledge about the universe was drastically changed at Hubble�s discovery and set her thinking on a completely different path. The world thought and to this date still thinks that it was a new discovery, but within the Qur�aan the statement laid dormant for thirteen hundred years. Up to that date not even the greatest Muslim scholars of The Qur�aan fathomed its meaning. Even to this date [1991, the Era of The space Telescope] very few are aware of it. Muslim News Newspaper June 1991 Article Two Profoundly more thought provoking of the two Qur�aanic verses is the fathoming of verse 021:104.The analysis of this verse indicates that the universe in its vertical evolution, since the time of its primordial distention has not yet reached maximum expansion. It is also further adduced via inference and allusion that the universe in its horizontal evolution has not yet reached maximum expansion limitation. It also categorically asserts that the universe would eventually start a phase of contraction. Thus having reached the singular mass stage again would it split apart as expressed in verse 021:030. The above data derived from the Qur�aan are not only astounding but as has been said before also earthshaking. The analyses of the data answer many questions that have puzzled and are still puzzling the minds of the greatest scientists of the twentieth century. For example, cosmologists would like to know what the deceleration parameter of the universe is. From the highest present level of knowledge is it; q < � q = � q > � (q = deceleration parameter) According to the models of Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking and other cosmologists it is q = �. According to Fred Hoyle and others who support the static universe concept it is q = -1.Yet others have described a universe that makes q = 0. According to another group it is q > �. The Qur�aan Cosmological Model delineates it q > �. The preponderance of the evidence at present indicates that the universe is open (q < �).The Hubble Space Telescope and other advanced scientific instruments being built will through much light upon these matters. We would probably in the next ten years know what the deceleration parameter of the universe is. Until then, we must all await the outcome of the evidence. As far as self-assertion is concerned, the Qur�aan is the only scientific document that categorically asserts the correctness of its delineation i.e. that the deceleration parameter of the universe is q > � .Others have not bound themselves in this way as yet in whichever way. To back up its statement the Qur�aan challenges the five billion three hundred and fifty million people on earth to investigate more than one hundred branches of knowledge. After having done so, the Qur�aan continues, �then humanity will reach the same conclusion�. It then wants to know from humanity why they will not accept its being the Truth- that it is knowledge of ALLAAH (God), the Evolver of existence, that was revealed via the brain of an illiterate man whose lecturing and teaching thereof then revolutionized and overturned the religious, political, economical, sociological and military systems of the world within a few years about one thousand four hundred years ago. Muslim News Newspaper July 1991 To be continued inshaa allaah (If God had willed) |
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Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 03 December 2012 at 4:05pm
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- - - - - - - - - - Post 2That ends the two quoted articles I wrote about the Qur�aan Cosmological Model just over twenty years ago. If I had written it today I would probably have written it a little different. Nevertheless it serves its purpose here as an introduction to what the Qur�aan Cosmological Model is. So in more detail, what is the Qur�aan Cosmological Model? The Qur�aan Cosmological model is a mathematical and graphical presentation of the origin, evolution, and ultimate fate of the universe as it is contained in just two verses of the Qur�aan. These two verses provide us with the key words that describe the general evolution of the universe. Khalqan = Tayyan +Ratqan +Fatqan +2Tayyan +2Ratqan +2Fatqan. Creation = Turn in +Rotate + Fire out +2Turn in +2Rotate +2Fire out.(an example) The initial letters of these key words produce the following algorithmic compression; Kh = T +R +F +2T +2R +2F Arabic is a language based on what we call root letters. From these root letters the entire language is built up. They are all consonants which are formed into patterns of two�s three�s or four�s. The Arabic language has 28 consonants and a special letter we call laam �alif. There are also only three vowels and vowel signs in the language which can be either short or long and when used are written either above or below the consonants to produce the words and in this case the root letters which are all verbs in the third person past tense. Don�t worry about all the details at this stage because they will all be wonderfully and easily explained further on and then everything will be easily understood. It will be seen that when we run the Qur�aanic cosmological algorithmic compression Kh = T +R +F +2T +2R +2F through the fundamental structure of the Arabic language then we witness a magnificent display of verbs, nouns, and adjectives that go back to describe each and every phase of the universe at its exact time and place in great detail. We are presented without exaggeration hundreds of beautiful drawings of the phases the universe undergoes from its cosmological origin, through its cosmological evolution, and until its eventual cosmological fate. And upon that we also see the derivation of many simple and logical abbreviations that precisely describe each and every phase of the universe. And then further beyond that we realize and see how the actions of the universe drive life into the dead and empty of meaning fundamental building blocks of the language- which are all the fundamental verbal patterns from which are derived the words of the language. That in a nutshell is the Qur�aan Cosmological Model. We can go into great detail inshaa allaah. Below is a graphical illustration of The Qur'aan Cosmological Model. In posts to follow I shall go into a detailed analysis of the two Qur'aan cosmological verses associated with The Qur'aan Cosmological Model.  To be continued inshaa allaah |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 04 December 2012 at 3:56am
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Your Qur'aan Cosmological Model is not an accepted scientific theory. All this number magic with Arab consonants is nonsense when you try to relate it to cosmology, sorry. Don't waste your time. Read books written by reputable cosmologists. Follow how CERN's discoveries are giving us great new insights. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 04 December 2012 at 8:59am
Let us look at your statements and tone of speech. 1)-Your Qur'aan Cosmological Model is not an accepted scientific theory. 1)- What would you classify as an accepted scientific theory? 2)- Can you name any of the accepted, not accepted, and unaccepted scientific (and in this case cosmological ) theories? 3)- Would you say that the Qur'aan Cosmological Model would not become an accepted scientific theory and why do you think that it would not? Well! The Qur'aan Cosmological Model is a complete new understanding of how the Qur'aan presents the cosmological information. The world has seen nothing like it before. Thousands have sat in its presence during its growth during the past thirty years and it is becoming universally known via the internet only during the past few months. Even a scholar like Shaykh Ahmad Deedat said that it was the greatest thing he saw in his life when he was in its presentation in 1993. He always inquired when it would be made known to the world. 2)- All this number magic with Arab consonants is nonsense when you try to relate it to cosmology, sorry. 1)- What number magic with Arab consonants are you referring to? 3)- Don't waste your time. How do you know that I am wasting my time? 4)- Read books written by reputable cosmologists. How do you know that I have not read any such books? For your information, I have read and studied over two hundred such books during the last thirty years. 5)- Follow how CERN's discoveries are giving us great new insights. How do you know that I have not followed everything from CERN? Well to let your know that I have been following every important matter concerng CERN even from the days when the proposals were made to build the place. There is nothing of great significance that CERN is going to present that is not contained in the Qur'aan already. You must understand that besides the Qur'aan Cosmological Model, the Qur'aan has a higher cosmology called the Qur'aan Meta-Cosmogonical Model and one higher called the Qur'aan Meta-Cosmological Model and a Knowledge higher than that called the Qur'aan and The Hidden Book beyond which is the Matrix of The Book. In the Qur'aan Meta-Cosmological Model is found the explanation why it is observed that the universe is in a state of accelerated expansion. And in The Hidden Book are such explanations such as how matter came into existence or how elementary particles acquire mass. Do not let your ignorance on the matter cloud your mind to make unjustified irrational statements about the last revelation of ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD. I have only begun the subject. You have seen nothing yet. |
Matt Browne wrote:Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 04 December 2012 at 9:26am
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- - - - - - - - - - Post 3Before we can embark on this simple quest to see whether or not the Qur'aan contains a satisfactory and complete explanation for the existence of the universe, we need first have to present from the Qur'aan itself the relevant Qur'aanic verses for analysis. For the sake of not wanting to be accused of not faithfully rendering the appropriate Qur'aanic verses I have decided to present the translations of mostly non-Muslim scholars to remove any such doubts. Over half of the presented translations go back prior to 1929 before it was discovered that the universe was undergoing expansion.Therefore it cannot be said that this knowledge of the 'big bang' is not contained in the Qur'aan. Remember these are only translations and not the real Qur'aan which is in the perfect branch of the Arabic language which Arabs (overwhelmingly) in the world do not speak. The two Qur'aanic Cosmological verses go into very great detail about the entire structure of the universe from before its beginning until after its ultimate fate. The General Theory of Relativity is but a dot as compared to the details one find in these two Qur'aanic cosmological verses.I present to you here the first of the two Qur'aanic cosmological verses that when place together produces hundreds of geometric delineations of the various phases of the universe including details beyond plank time. After I have presented the second two Qur'aanic cosmological verses in posts to follow I shall begin with the detailed analysis (01) - 1734 translation --- Do not the unbelievers therefore know, that the heavens and the earth were solid and We clave the same in sunder And made every living thing of water? Will they not therefore believe? - George Sale pub.1734 Christian Scholar - - - (02) - 1861 translation --- Do not the infidels see that the heavens and the earth were both a solid mass, and that we clave them asunder, and that by means of water we give life to everything? Will they not then believe? - Rev. John Medows Rodwell pub. 1861 Christian Scholar - - - (03) - 1880 translation --- Do not those who misbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were both solid, and we burst them asunder; and we made from water every living thing � will they then not believe? - Edward Henry Palmer pub. 1880 Christian Scholar - - - (04) - 1917 translation --- Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were closed up, so We rent them. And We made from water everything living. Will they not then believe? - Maulana Muhammad Ali pub. 1917 Ahmadi Muslim Scholar - - - (05) - 1930 translation --- Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe? - M. Marmaduke Pickthall pub. 1930 Christian turn Muslim Scholar - - - (06) - 1934 translation --- Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? - Abdullah Yusuf Ali pub. 1934 Muslim Scholar - - - (07) - 1955 translation --- Have not the unbelievers then beheld that the heavens and the earth were a mass all sewn up, and then We unstitched them and of water fashioned every living thing? Will they not believe? - Arthur John Arberry pub. 1955 Christian Scholar - - - (08) - 1956 translation --- Are the disbelievers unaware that the heavens and the earth were but one solid mass which We tore asunder, and that We made every living thing from water? Will they not have faith? - Nessim Joseph Dawood pub. 1956 Jewish Scholar - - - To be continued inshaa allaah (If God had willed). |
Posted By: nothing
Date Posted: 04 December 2012 at 5:39pm
The gigantic size of the known universe is open for any hypothesis, you can have one too, and no one will be able to verify it regardless which school they graduated from. |
Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 05 December 2012 at 5:22am
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- - - - - - - Post 4 This is the second of the two Qur,aanic cosmological verses we have mentioned in the previous post. They are translations mostly by non-Muslim scholars and prior to the discovery of the expansion of the universe by Edwin Hubble in 1929. These translations are not perfect but they give the idea of what we are going to present here. Translation of the second of the two Qur'aanic Cosmological Verses: The Qur'aan Chapter 21:104 The Prophets. (01) - 1734 translation --- On that day We will roll up the heavens, as the angel al Sijil rolleth up the book wherein every man's actions are recorded. As We made the first creature out of nothing, so We will also reproduce it at the resurrection. This is a promise which it lieth on Us to fulfil:We will surely perform it. - George Sale pub. 1734 Christian Scholar - - - (02) - 1861 translation --- On that day we will roll up the heaven as one rolleth up written scrolls. As we made the first creation, so will we bring it forth again. This promise bindeth us; verily, we will perform it. - Rev. John Medows Rodwell pub. 1861 Christian Scholar - - - (03) - 1880translation --- The day when we will roll up the heavens as es-Sigill rolls up the books; as we produced it at its first creation will we bring it back again � a promise binding upon us; verily, we are going to do it. - Edward Henry Palmer pub. 1880 Christian Scholar - - - (04) - 1917translation --- The day when We roll up heaven like the rolling up of the scroll of writings. As We began the first creation, We shall reproduce it. A promise (binding) on Us. We shall bring it about. - Maulana Muhammad Ali pub. 1917 Ahmadi Muslim Scholar - - - (05) - 1930translation --- The Day when We shall roll up the heavens as a recorder rolleth up a written scroll. As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it. (It is) a promise (binding) upon Us. Lo! We are to perform it. - M. Marmaduke Pickthall pub. 1930 Christian Scholar turned Muslim Scholar - - - (06) - 1934translation --- The Day that We roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books (completed),- even as We produced the first creation, so shall We produce a new one: a promise We have undertaken: truly shall We fulfil it. - Abdullah Yusuf Ali pub. 1934 Muslim Scholar - - - (07) - 1955 translation --- On the day when We shall roll up heaven as a scroll is rolled for the writings; as We originated the first creation, so We shall bring it back again � a promise binding on Us; so We shall do. - Arthur John Arberry pub. 1955 Christian Scholar - - - (08) - 1956translation --- On that day We shall roll up the heaven like a scroll of parchment. Just as We brought the First Creation into being, so will We restore it. This is a promise We shall assuredly fulfil. - Nessim Joseph Dawood pub. 1956 Jewish Scholar - - - (9) - 1980translation --- On that Day We shall roll up the skies as written scrolls are rolled up; [and] as We brought into being the first creation, so We shall bring it forth anew a promise which We have willed upon Ourselves: for, behold, We are able to do [all things]! - Muhammad Asad pub. 1980 Jewish Scholar turned Muslim Scholar - - - All the translators quoted so far were men and now I will end off with a lady by the name of Aisha. She who is named after the beloved wife of the prophet (S+). (10) - 1999translation --- That Day We will fold up heaven like folding up the pages of a book. As We originated the first creation so We will regenerate it. It is a promise binding on Us. That is what We will do. - Aisha Bewley pub. 1999 Muslim Scholar - - - - - - - - - - To be continued inshaa allaah (If God had willed). |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 05 December 2012 at 1:34pm
| This is fascinating numerology. I did not know the Q'uran had a cosmological model complete with equations found within it. I wonder if I could find something similar in Moby Dick. |
Posted By: nothing
Date Posted: 05 December 2012 at 3:20pm
Than do the Moby Dick like the OP author has done with the Qur'an, less talk and do more. |
Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 06 December 2012 at 6:11am
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- - - - - - - - - - Post 5. Continued from the first post. Let us now present the first of the two Qur�aan Cosmological Model (QCM) verses from the 'real' Qur'aan; meaning the one in Arabic as it has been presented by the Prophet (S+). Let us begin the exposition. Here is the Arabic text of the first Qur�aan Cosmological Model verse with transliteration.Don't be dismayed if you cannot read the Arabic because it is the transliteration which we will be using here for our exposition. Qur�aan 021:30 أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ transliteration �a-wa-lam yara lladhiyna kafaruw �anna as-samaawaati wa-l-�arDa kaanataa Ratqan fa-Fataq-naa humaa wa-ja�al-naa min al-maa�i kulla shay�in hayyin �a-fa-laa yu�minuwna Here I present the most accurate translation of the verse. Though by no means perfect. I have not translated the key words because they are technical terms in their own right and cannot be translated without grave loss of the original. I will select and explain each of them adequately with proofs from the Qur'aan itself as well as the authoritative Arabic dictionaries. translation Have those who have disbelieved now not seen:- that the samaawaat and the �arD (1)- were both Ratq (2)- and so We Fataq them both again. And We made from water every living thing. Will they now not believe? This verse contains an encyclopedia of information of which I will touch upon only the cosmological aspects. To do that I will simply extract the parts of the verse that I have already made bold. that the samaawaat and the �arD (1)- were both Ratq (2)- and so We Fataq them both again. What is the verse actually saying. When we read it at face value we see that it speaks about how ALLAAH (God) brought about the creation of the universe we happen to find ourselves living in. This earth upon which we live, the sun and the moon and the stars, and everything else that the universe contains. Let us go over it again exactly as it is written. ALLAAH says, " that the samaawaat and the �arD (1)- were both Ratq (2)- and so We Fataq them both again." I would like you to repeat the verse at least three times so that you can become familiar with those four untranslated technical terms of which I have already said cannot be translated without grave lost of the original. The problem is that when scholars think that they can translate these technical terms of the Qur'aan into English or for that matter into any other language and they go ahead and then begin to do so they effectively make the Qur'aan completely dysfunctional. Then people who have no understanding of what the original is saying begin to read and study it and start making all kinds of proclamations as to what the Qur'aan is really saying. So they have misled themselves and all others who follow them and that goes for all those who repeat their behavior. To be continued ( the explanation of the four Qur'aanic Cosmological Model technical terms of the Verse) inshaa allaah. - - - - - - - - - - |
Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 06 December 2012 at 6:16am
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- - - - - - - - - - Post 6 The four technical terms are:- - the samaawaat - the �arD - Ratq - Fataq The definite article �al� �the� I have translated as 'the samaawaat' and not 'al-samaawaat'; and 'the �arD' and not 'al-�arD'. You would have noticed that I have written �arD' with a capital D instead of with a small d. The reason for this is that there are two d�s in the Arabic language; one pronounced at the tip of the tongue like the �d� in the English word �did� and the other pronounced with the tongue against the roof of the mouth and similar to the �D� in the English word �Dark� but even more emphatic. It is said that the Arabic language is the only language which contains this letter or sound. In fact almost all Muslims mispronounce this emphatic �D� and thus destroy the Qur�aan with their tongues without realizing it because every letter of the Qur�aan is a multi-dimensional space-time configuration. The Jews have done the same thing with the letters of the Torah which are also all multi-dimensional space-time configurations. The Christians have no part in this science because they have completely discarded the alphabet of the Bible and opted to translate and read the Holy Book in other alphabets and languages. For Example the letter �M� called �MiyM� and �Mem� in Hebrew are the symbols for the mathematical equation of a circle x^2 + y^2 = r^2. This is what is referred to as the knowledge contained in all the Divine Books. If this knowledge is lost then virtually everything becomes lost. The Divine Books would then become interpretations of infinite duration- like it is now. Let us look at the technical term samaawaat samaawaat is the plural of the Arabic word samaa�. If we were to open an Arabic dictionary like that of Edward William Lane which was published in 1865 and regarded as one of the greatest dictionaries of all time we will find the following definitions or explanations. As a verb: - he or it was, or became, high, lofty, raised, upraised, uplifted, upreared, exalted, or elevated. - he or it rose, or rose high. -he or it rose higher or above. As a noun: -the higher, or upper, or highest, or uppermost, part of anything. -the sky, or heavens. Let us look at the technical term�arD. As a verb: - he or it became lowly or submissive. - he or it became or rendered heavy, slow, sluggish, inclining, or propending, to the ground. -it collected moisture, and became luxuriant with herbage -it became soft to tread upon, pleasant to sit upon, productive, and good in its herbage or vegetation. -the ulcer, or sore, became blistered, and wide, and corrupt, and dissundered. As a noun: With the definite article �the� - the earth as opposed to heaven. -the ground, as meaning the surface of the earth, on which we tread and sit and lie. -the floor Without the definite article �the� - a land, or a country. - a piece of land or ground. - anything that is low. Let us look at the technical term - Ratq. From the verb: Rataqa - he closed up. - he sewed up, or together. Ratq - closed up. - sewn up. Let us look at the technical term - Fataq. It is the verb: - Fataqa - he slit it, rent it, rent it asunder or open, or divided it lengthwise. - he disjoined it, or disunited it - he undid the sewing of it, unsewed it, or unstitched it (- became swollen, or inflated, in the flanks. - appeared after concealment.) As the noun: -Fatq - a rent, slit, or the like. - an open, and a spacious, place. There we have the meanings of the four technical terms; as verbs as well as nouns. We are now getting close to the formation of the Qur�aan Cosmological Model. After that the QCM will start to come alive. Have again another good look at the Qur�aan Cosmological Model below. Can you begin to recognize where we are in the Model. Continued in posts to follow inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed). - - - - - - - - - -
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Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 07 December 2012 at 7:32am
| Nope, just more wishful thinking. Also, the letter M stands for a few more things than possibly the mathematical equation for a circle. I wasn't aware that Christians went for this numerogy garbage in the Bible. I guess there's a few everywhere. |
Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 07 December 2012 at 10:33am
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- - - - - - - - - - Post 7Again let us look at the first Qur'aan Cosmological Model (QCM) verse that I have already presented and which we are now going to analyze via the meaning and definitions of its four technical terms. Be reminded that these four Qur'aan Cosmological Model (QCM) technical terms that have already been explained earlier are all found in the Arabic - English Lexicon by Edward William Lane. This Arabic - English Lexicon by Edward William Lane is the greatest, on every level, Arabic - English dictionary ever produced in the English language and virtually contains the entire Classical Arabic Language upon which the Qur'aan is based. Edward William Lane was called, in his lifetime, the master of the Arabic Language. It is a work of breathless achievement- one of the greatest of heights a scholar could attain to maximum precise detail. I present to you the publishers note for further elaboration. Edward William Lane's ARABIC - ENGLISH LEXICON Book1 contains all the classical words, their derivatives, and their usages. It appears in eight separate volumes and took the author more than thirty years to compile. Book II, which Dr. Lane contemplated and which was to contain rare words and explanations, was incomplete at the time of his death in 1876 and therefore never appeared. In describing Lane�s Lexicon, Dr. G. P. Badger wrote, �This marvelous work in its fullness and richness, its deep research correctness and simplicity of arrangement far transcends the Lexicon of any language ever presented to the world.� And as Dr. Lane sets it out on the face page, �Containing all the classical words and significations commonly known to the learned among the Arabs.� For this reason we shall use this great lexicon which was mostly completed by 1876 ( and 53 years before the discovery of the expansion of the universe by Edwin Hubble in 1929 that mightily changed our perception of the universe) for the explanation of the Qur'aan Cosmological Model (QCM) technical terms. If we do this we can never be accused of 'wangling' the words of the Qur'aan to fit up with what scientists have discovered only later. And those Arabic words presented by Lane are non other than the very Arabic words he had selected from the great Arabic dictionaries that go back up to over a thousand years earlier and that ultimately get traced back to the tongue of the Messenger of ALLAAH (S+) to whom the Qur'aan was revealed. In posts to follow we shall begin to analyze the QCM technical terms we have mentioned; present their geometrical mathematical delineations; extrapolate there mathematical equations and so forth. Observe and reflect over everything carefully! To be continued inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed). - - - - - - - - - -
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Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 07 December 2012 at 1:19pm
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- - - - - - - - - - Post 8We are now coming very close to seeing the visual presentation of the Qur'aan Cosmological Model extrapolated from the two Qur'aan Cosmological Model verses. Therefore let us now again here present the first Qur'aan Cosmological Model verse and then analyze it but this time via the meaning and definitions of its four technical terms as found in the great Arabic - English dictionary as compiled by Edward William Lane over 53 years prior to the discovery of the expansion of the universe by Edwin Hubble in 1929. First QCM Verse 021:030 Have those who have disbelieved now not seen:- that the samaawaat and the �arD (1)- were both Ratq (2)- and so We Fataq them both again. And We made from water every living thing. Will they now not believe? The Qur'aan is a divine book that addresses humanity throughout time.Therefore certain passages are not always clear to those who do not understand this important principal. The first QCM verse is one of those time event verses that will only become fully understood and appreciated after the subject of its statement has become known. This is not because the Qur'aan is not clear on the matter but because the nature of man is that he will not accept that which he has physically seen or proven - one of the great qualities of man if one removes any type of belief from his personality. Another quality of man is that he likes to conform with 'what is' and dislikes to be disturbed from his perceived comfort zones even if they might turn out to be wrong - one of the bad qualities of man. If we look at the first QCM verse we see that it is a definite statement made about something and framed into a question that demands reflection and an answer. A reflection and an answer that could never have made sense to anyone prior to 1929 when it was discovered that the universe was expanding and by implication had to originate from some point back in time. Therefore it is a verse that most appropriately applies to our generation and our generation only. What a great honour and a concern that must be. For if it is like that then we must ask why are we being addressed? What is the purpose of it all? Let us look at and ponder over the question! We observe that ALLAAH (God) the Originator of the Heavens and the Earth (i.e. the Universe) addresses a group of people whom He calls 'those who have disbelieved'. He asks them via the believers the following question, " Have you now not seen?" And what is it that ALLAAH asks them what they have now not seen? He says, that the samaawaat and the �arD (1)- were both Ratq (2)- and so We Fataq them both again. And what is the samaawaat and what is the�arD that He describe were both once upon a time Ratq and that He then did Fataq them both again. In the next post we shall analyze the two important Qur'aan Cosmological Model technical terms 'samaawaat' and '�arD' and as we have already said but this time via the meaning and definitions as found in the great Arabic - English dictionary compiled by Edward William Lane over 53 years prior to the discovery of the expansion of the universe by Edwin Hubble in 1929. We will also have a look at who the exact people are whom are being addressed in the Qur'aan. To be continued inshaa allaah (If ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed). - - - - - - - - - -
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Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 07 December 2012 at 1:23pm
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- - - - - - - - - - Post 9 Defining samaa� (singular of samaawaat) the first important Qur'aan Cosmological Model technical term. It is sometimes important just to repeat certain keywords or phrases in order to become familiar with the concepts involved. There must be understanding and not just casual reading. It is always good for you to revise or go over the previous posts. You will be amazed how much you have missed before and how much you will gain from a second and a third and so forth repeated reading. Let us now analyze the two important Qur'aan Cosmological Model technical terms 'samaawaat' and '�arD' as found in the great Arabic - English dictionary compiled by Edward William Lane over 53 years prior to the discovery of the expansion of the universe by Edwin Hubble in 1929. What is the samaawaat? As has been said before �samaawaat� is the plural of the Arabic word �samaa�� and is derived from the Arabic root verb meaning:- - he or it was, or became, high, lofty, raised, upraised, uplifted, upreared, exalted, or elevated. - he or it rose, or rose high. -he or it rose higher or above. As a noun it has the following meanings:- -the higher, or upper, or highest, or uppermost, part of anything. -the sky, or heavens. Let us analyze the meaning of the word �samaa�� which is the singular of 'samaawaat'. When we study the Qur'aan we will see that the word �samaa�� and its plural 'samaawaat' occurs about about 310 times in the Qur'aan. When these verses are studied it will be seen that the word �samaa�� is not an object but refers to the open space that surrounds the objects of the universe or in other words it is the depiction of the vast space in which all the elements of the universe find itself including the Sun, the Moon, and the Stars. It refers to that part of the Universe in which motion and 'clumpiness' take place. Here is a verse of the Qur'aan that gives us that depiction:- The Qur'aan 22:18 "...that unto ALLAAH bow down whoever is in the 'samaawaat... and the Sun, and the Moon, and the Stars..." The Qur'aan also gives other descriptions for various types of samaa' such as for example that part immediately above the earth where the birds fly. The Qur'aan 16:79 "... the birds that are subjected to the jaww (the air or atmosphere) of the samaa�." The Qur'aan 41:11 Another verse which we shall not go into here says that 'The samaa' was in a certain 'smoke' state and ALLAAH caused it to undergo a state of obedience and then He completed it as seven samaawaat (plural of samaa�). We are told that the seven samaawaat are like enormous spheres one beyond the other and that our position is in the lowest of the samaawaat and is callad the samaa� of the dunyaa (world or lower world). The Qur'aan contrasts samaa� with �arD which are two opposing but complementary states of the universe: Space verses Matter; One inherently expansive and the other inherently contractive. In the next post I shall define the Qur'aan Cosmological Model technical term '�arD' as found in the great Arabic - English dictionary compiled by Edward William Lane over 53 years prior to the discovery of the expansion of the universe by Edwin Hubble in 1929. After that we shall begin with the construction of the Qur'aan cosmological model. Below is a graphical illustration for the Qur'aan Cosmological Model Technical Term samaa' (singular of samaawaat).  Continued in posts to follow inshaa allaah (If ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - God had willed). - - - - - - - - - -
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Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 09 December 2012 at 8:03am
| Another great ability of man or, if you prefer, another great fallability of man, is his ability to imagine all sorts of nonsense from the smallest of things. An excellent example of this is the visage of Christ found by a British woman on a piece of burned cheese toast. Another more recent example are the posts I've been reading on this topic right here. |
Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 09 December 2012 at 3:54pm
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- - - - - - - - - - Post 10 Defining 'arD the second important Qur'aan Cosmological Model technical term. Let us now analyze and define the second important Qur'aan Cosmological Model technical term �arD as is found in the great Arabic - English dictionary compiled by Edward William Lane over 53 years prior to the discovery of the expansion of the universe by Edwin Hubble in 1929. What is the �arD? As has been said before �arD is derived from the Arabic root verb meaning:- - he or it became lowly or submissive. - he or it became or rendered heavy, slow, sluggish, inclining, or propending, to the ground. -it collected moisture, and became luxuriant with herbage -it became soft to tread upon, pleasant to sit upon, productive, and good in its herbage or vegetation. -the ulcer, or sore, became blistered, and wide, and corrupt, and dissundered. As a noun: with the definite article �the� it has the following meanings:- - the earth as opposed to heaven. -the ground, as meaning the surface of the earth, on which we tread and sit and lie. -the floor without the definite article �the� it has the following meanings:- - a land, or a country. - a piece of land or ground. - anything that is low. Let us analyze the meaning of the word �arD from the given definitions and present some statements from the Qur'aan. When we study the Qur'aan we will see that the word�arD appears about 461 times in the Qur'aan. When these verses are studied it will be seen that the word �arD is representative of an object that is surrounded by space or embedded in space or occupying space. It will further also be seen that the word �arD has a number of meanings which adequately describe a range of phenomena; from the stuff of which one's body is composed of; from the soil one can keep in one's hand; the plot of ground one lives upon;the land one lives in; the continent one is associated with; the planet one lives on; and all other planets and objects that clump and occupy space throughout the entire universe as well as all the mass of the universe when brought back together again as one entity called Ratqan . From here it will be seen that the term �arD in addition to being an object occupying space is also the substance of which the physical object consists of. And above all it is the name of the unique planet called the 'arD (the Earth) where ALLAAH (GOD) let man (and woman) dwell to work the good work;then earn his (or her) reward;and then afterwards to be taken to the world of His Mercy and Promise before His Anger is unleashed over billions of years and the universe comes crushing down upon itself and upon all those who were left behind and denied the plea for the mercy to die. That is what is written in the Qur'aan. The Qur'aan also says that the Earth has similarities to the seven samaawaat.There are the continents that are spreading apart like the expansion and there are the layers of the earth like the structure of the seven samaawaat. There are more similarities that can be discussed but they are not part of this presentation which is to prove our main point of the thread. The Qur'aan 65:12 It is ALLAAH (God) who created the seven samaawaat, and of the �arD their like, between them the Command descending, that you may know that ALLAAH (God) is powerful over everything and that ALLAAH (God) encompasses everything in knowledge. As we said before the Qur'aan contrasts �arD with samaa� which are two opposing but complementary states of the universe: Matter verses Space; one inherently contractive and the other inherently expansive. Below is a display of graphical illustrations for the Qur'aan Cosmological Model Technical Term 'arD  To be continued inshaa allaah (If ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed) - - - - - - - - - -
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Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 10 December 2012 at 1:02pm
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Post 10 Let us now go forth to draw the first Space-Time diagram based upon the data extrapolated from the first Qur'aan Cosmological Model verse. Qur'aan 021:030 that the samaawaat and the �arD (1)- were both Ratq (2)- and so We Fataq them both again. As we have already seen that when the Qur'aan speaks about the samaawaat, then it refers to the whole realm of extraterrestrial space and everything it contains.So the data that we derive from the Qur'aan is that the Sun, the Moon, the Stars, the Galaxies, the Galactic Clusters,etc. and the Earth ('ard) were once a 'united entity' that had collapsed from a previously separated state. According to the data contained in the second Qur'aan Cosmological Model verse, which we shall analyze in a later post, this previously collapsed state was the result of a previously expanded universe that was brought down by ALLAAH in a spiraling formation that caused it to possess angular momentum. When it reached the state of maximum singular combination, with internal and external void, ALLAAH split the powerful rotating single entity apart and then blew into it the breath of life that cause it to inflate and undergo the great expansion that we have observed today. According to the Qur'aan the universe did not have its beginning in a big bang infinite singularity. It began when the small and large and dark and diffused matter 'burnt out' particles of the previously expanded and close to flat universe were brought into willing submission to be re-energized and rejuvenated to become a new creation. The Qur'aan calls this a single Khalq or Creation - a collapse followed by an expansion and not an expansion followed by a collapse. See the delineation below. The Qur'aan also states that the internal universe (samaa') is in the democratic liberal state of run away expansion and shall go on ticking until it has reached maximum permitted expansion when it shall be halted by ALLAAH and when shall be The Final Hour which none shall be able to calculate or rather know other than him and him only. (The cause of the observed accelerated expansion shall be discussed much later inshaa allaah.)  To be continued inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed). 1)23456789)1
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Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 16 December 2012 at 7:29am
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This fascinating nonsense has got a name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_foreknowledge_in_sacred_texts#Bucailleism - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_foreknowledge_in_sacred_texts#Bucailleism and it made it into the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_topics_characterized_as_pseudoscience - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_topics_characterized_as_pseudoscience Maurice Bucaille was a French medical doctor and member of the French Society of Egyptology. In 1973, Bucaille was appointed family physician to King Faisal of Saudi Arabia. After embracing Islam in 1976, he published a book in which he argued that the Qur'an contains no statements contradicting established scientific facts. Bucaille argued that the Qur'an is in agreement with scientific facts, while the Bible is not. He claims that there are monumental errors of science in the Bible and not a single error in the Qur'an. His belief was that the Qur'an's descriptions of natural phenomena make it compatible with modern science. Bucaille concluded that the Qur'an must be the words of God. His book started a movement called Bucailleism, attracting thousands, if not millions of orthodox Muslims. This has led to the widespread belief that the Qur'an prophesied the big bang theory, space travel and other contemporary scientific breakthroughs. In fact, there are more than 1200 verses which can be interpreted in the light of modern science, the followers of the movement sincerely believe. The search for Qur'anic references to and prophecies of modern scientific discoveries has become a popular trend in some Muslim societies. Thousands of zealous people are wasting their time with this kind of pseudoscientific nonsense. The belief of scientific foreknowledge in sacred texts also exists in orthodox Judaism and Christian fundamentalism. A good example is young-earth Creationism. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 17 December 2012 at 1:40am
Thanks for your contribution which is mostly correct. Your comment about pseudoscience is, however, in itself pseudo. Do not speak what you do not know. Don't base your observations on what people do or have done and judge the Qur'aan thereby. This Qur'aan Cosmological Model is far from finished and it reveals the answers to everything Modern Cosmology is seeking. Ask questions relating to it. |
Posted By: StopS
Date Posted: 18 December 2012 at 10:33am
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"Do not speak what you do not know." Do you follow your own advice? I see your Fig.001 Standard Delineation still has the same mistake in it: Your version: Kh = T +R +F +2R +2F Correct version? Kh = T +R +F +2T +2R +2F Also: your colour coding is wrong. �samaawaat� is the plural of the Arabic word �samaa�� meaning: high, lofty, raised, upraised, uplifted, upreared, exalted, or elevated What are the plural forms of these? What is the meaning of: "the two states of the Universe which were both once compacted together which underwent expansion and then rapid inflation"? What exactly is "Qur�aanic cosmological algorithmic compression"? That is probably the worst pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo I have ever heard. |
Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 19 December 2012 at 3:53pm
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Post 11 A very important point not to forget. Why does the Qur'aan state the cosmological facts as follows: "that the samaawaat(heavens) and the �arD(earth) were both Ratq(sewn or brought together etc.) and so We Fataq(unstiched or separated etc.) them both again.?" Because of the manner in which the Qur'aan stated the cosmological facts the following two questions spring to mind: 1)- does the Qur'aan say that the �arD is a separate and unique entity in the Universe? 2)- does the Qur'aan say that the �arD was already in existence at the birth of the Universe? If we look at the Qur'aanic verse and even examine it a little more deeper it would appear as if the Qur'aan is actually saying that. But that perception or conclusion is not exactly true. And it is because of this inaccurate conclusion of the lack of the proper understanding of the correct meaning of the verse that all the confusion begins and then all sorts of wild statements are made by those who claim the Qur'aan to be scientific and those who assert that it is not. And it is also because of this inaccurate conclusion that has led to the confusion which caused the Muslim scholars to deliberately falsify the translations by removing or not including the word 'both' from or in the actual translation of the original verb which is in the dual form. In other words the Qur'aan states 'kaanataa' 'both of them were' or 'the two of them were' or 'they two were' and then the translators took it upon themselves to transform it into 'they were' or 'were'. That is why it is sacrilegious to translate the Books of ALLAAH into other languages without providing detailed explanations. Of the approximately seventy Qur'aan translations that I have examined so far I have found only two translations which have faithfully included the dual in their translations. Not to say that the other parts of their translations are not without grave errors. It will surprise many that both of these translations that translated the verse correctly with the dual included were not made by Muslim translators but maybe surprisingly by non Muslim ones. In my opinion it would not be going too far to say that a common trait in man is that he loves to exaggerate when it suites him and he loves to hang on and to invent or follow explanations to that of which he knows little or nothing of. Let us now examine precisely what the Qur'aan is exactly saying. It is well worth mentioning that when one has sufficiently studied the Qur'aan and the other important teachings of the Prophet (S+) one will immediately know that this verse is referring to three things simultaneously. In other words three different independent matters are being discussed providing the reader with factual information for observation and consideration. Let us see what it is! 1)- the samaawaat (definition in a previous post) 2)- the �arD (definition in a previous post) 3)- the samaawaat and the �arD To understand this better let us make a comparison with something else: 'the school and the principal were both famous' There are three clear possibilities of understanding what was said. 1)- the school 2)- the principal 3)- the school and the principal In the first example it is referring to the whole school; the students; the teachers; and the principal. There was none that was specifically famous; none that stood out from the rest. Just the whole school that was famous. In the second example it is referring only to the principal; not to the school as a whole; not to the students; and not to the teachers. There was only one who was specifically famous; one that stood out from the rest. And it was just the principal who was alone famous. In the third example it is referring to the whole school generally as well as to the principal specifically. It was not only the school as a whole that was famous but also the principal who in his own right was also famous. Likewise as in our example the same rule applies to the mentioned Qur'aanic cosmological verse. Let us see! In the first example it is referring to the whole of space and everything that it contains including the earth which is a body moving in that space. In other words it is referring to the whole universe as already explained i.e. the sun, the moon, the stars,the galaxies and everything else including the earth. And it says that all these entities comprising the universe were Ratq fa (and so) Fataq (i.e. brought together as one unified entity for the purpose of breaking it apart again to form the universe). In the second example it is referring to the earth alone and no other entity in the universe; not to the sun; not the moon; not to the stars etc. but only to the earth specifically. It says that once upon a time the earth was also Ratq fa (and so) Fataq (i.e. brought together as one unified entity (previous continents came together to form Pangaea and then again split to form the 'seven continents' ( there are seven major plates and a number of minor plates) which are still spreading apart to this day). In the third example it is referring to both what happened in the universe as well as what happened to the earth. Both underwent their own Ratq fa (and so) Fataq and both were part of a united Ratq fa (and so) Fataq (i.e. the whole of space and everything that it contains including the earth were once upon a time in a state that was brought together as one unified entity for the purpose of breaking it apart again to form the universe which is in an observed accelerated expansion to this day. So there you have it in a nutshell. A great amount of details all applying to two different phenomena simultaneously. Now I will leave you with a quotation with what the Prophet (S+) of the Qur'aan had said one thousand four hundred years ago. The Book of Bukhari Volume 9. Book 87. Number 141 Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah's Apostle saying. "I have been sent with Jawami al-Kalim (i.e.. the shortest expression carrying the widest meanings). and I was made victorious with awe (caste into the hearts of the enemy) and while I was sleeping the keys of the treasures of the earth were brought to me and were put in my hand." Muhammad (S+) said. Jawami'-al-Kalim means that Allah expresses in one or two statements or thereabouts the numerous matters that used to be written in the books revealed before (the coming of) the Prophet . In a coming post I will give a brief discussion on the apparent conflict between the information contained in the next and second Qur'aan Cosmological verse which states that the universe shall be contracted and the observed accelerated expansion of the universe today. To be continued inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH had willed). |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 10:19pm
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I just love the irony in this ridiculous statement, "And it is because of this inaccurate conclusion of the lack of the proper understanding of the correct meaning of the verse that all the confusion begins and then all sorts of wild statements are made by those who claim the Qur'aan to be scientific and those who assert that it is not." Please tell me someone else sees it. |
Posted By: StopS
Date Posted: 22 December 2012 at 3:29pm
Yep, I totally agree. The whole deception actually sets in when the statement is: That is why it is sacrilegious to translate the Books of ALLAAH into other languages So someone comes to an English forum and says you need a totally different language to be able to discuss it. Is the correct meaning of something ever provided? No, of course not. If someone has an opinion or an idea, why not test it and discuss it? No problem. But to claim that it is the only truth and not falsifiable due to its usage of a different language is not an honest approach. |
Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 13 March 2013 at 4:12am
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I hope to bring this subject to a satisfactory
conclusion. I will be presenting the QCM delineated diagrams in coming posts inshaa allaah. In the meantime, have a look at the following diagram that
sums up the Qur'aan Cosmological Model. Here is a little diagram about the great reality as portrayed in the qur'aan. The seven samaawaat (universal realms) one above the other with varying degrees of outward expansion. The innermost samaa' (universal realm) being drawn outwards by the gravity of the six outer samaawaat (universal realms) and the close to halting of the outermost samaa' (universal realm) by the gravitational attraction of the six inner samaawaat (universal realms).  Soon to be continued inshaa allaah. R - - - - - - -> /\llllllllll/\_/\ (Table Mountain)[/quote] |
Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 17 March 2013 at 8:19am
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Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 19 March 2013 at 7:29am
| Are you kidding me? Is anyone buying what is being sold here. This is utter mumbo jumbo with no basis in science |
Posted By: StopS
Date Posted: 19 March 2013 at 9:35am
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Just chuckle and take it as entertainment and a demonstration of what a person is capable of in producing nonsense based on just 2 or 3 words. The person doing this has no knowledge on cosmology and even less on cosmogony. Try asking a factual question and be surprised ;) |
Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 19 March 2013 at 10:20am
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Thanks for saying nothing. This Model has begun to silence all critics. The qur'aan successfully explains the accelerated expansion as given above which is but a drop in the ocean of its knowledge so far. I gather that you too have become another victim who have drowned in the ocean of his own Dark Ages. |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 20 March 2013 at 6:38am
| You publish 4 tables with absolutely nothing labeled and accuse me of saying nothing. I am afraid you have become consumed by your own self importance. And the only silence you hear is the silence of a zoo patron looking into the baboon cage. |
Posted By: Reepicheep
Date Posted: 20 March 2013 at 7:11am
| al-amiyr wrote: This Model has begun to silence all critics. Al-amiyr may have a point. I've gotta admit that his writings leave me kind of speechless... |
Posted By: StopS
Date Posted: 20 March 2013 at 7:41am
 Good one. A laugh a day .....
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Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 20 March 2013 at 9:46am
Again another lie of self deception. I have presented much more than just four tables. Your Agnosticism has got the better of you and now your mental vision seems blurred. But I do not take notice of your kind of characters because you are just bent on sowing confusion as always. You have no manner of discussion etiquette and therefore best dismissed. Since I presented this Model, you have remarked a few times but no more than a hollow nothing. Save yourself some embarrassment if you do possess it or say something meaningful if you have anything meaningful to say. |
Posted By: StopS
Date Posted: 21 March 2013 at 5:53am
All I see is a view into a wind-tunnel with a propeller at the back and a contracting, psychedelic tunnel in front of it. Where is this represented in the Koran? . |
Posted By: Reepicheep
Date Posted: 21 March 2013 at 6:52am
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StopS wrote: Good one. A laugh a day .....
StopS, I did a google search on this "Qur'aan Cosmological Model" and noticed that this is not the first debate you have had with al-amiyr. Interestingly, he does seem to have some defenders in other forums. Go figure.
Personally, I think I'd rather take "getting hit in the head with a hammer" lessons than discuss al-amiyr's theories, but to each his own.
I did come across an interesting quotation in another forum, where the discussion about this model has now reached 17 pages in length and is still ongoing:
al-amiyr wrote: You can refer back to the following posts #1 #8 #9 #12 #19 #22 #23 #26 #27 #58 #61 #71#139 #157 #162 and #171.
If this Islamicity thread ever reaches the point where al-amiyr makes reference to "post #171", I think I'll break down and cry. On the plus side, you do seem to have got al-amiyr to concede that he erroneously dropped the term 2T from one of his equations, so perhaps there is yet reason for hope. |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 21 March 2013 at 8:03am
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Look, look, the baboon is becoming upset. It's throwing itself at the glass. I bet it starts throwing it's own feces pretty soon. |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 21 March 2013 at 8:27am
 that's what I thought about below...... http://www.scribd.com/doc/115855448/NSA-Article-on-Mayan-Astronomy - http://www.scribd.com/doc/115855448/NSA-Article-on-Mayan-Astronomy
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Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 21 March 2013 at 12:39pm
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An Incorrect Statement
"On the plus side, you do seem to have got al-amiyr to concede that he erroneously dropped the term 2T from one of his equations," Where did you get that from? That is 100% incorrect! StopS invented something and I proved that he distorted what I had written and then he argued the incorrectness of his presentation which he attributed to me. He did it on several occasions on other sites. They are all available online to read. You are partially correct when you said that I have defenders. In fact so many who were opposed to me now became full supporters. Some have even apologized online for being hash. This model is striking fear in the Godless. ALL their strategies to fight and insult the Qur'aan and the character of the prophet (S+) is becoming useless. It is amazing that on more than 20 forums where this model is discussed their have not been one Muslim opponent and not one Atheist who could bring one valid point against it. Rudeness and deception have become there trademarks. It will be etched on their escutcheons. |
Posted By: StopS
Date Posted: 21 March 2013 at 12:42pm
Hahaha, no, not a debate. I just asked him some questions to show others that he has no idea what cosmology is and what version of cosmogony he is plagiarising. He is unable to answer any factual questions and can only answer when it comes to word formats or spelling. It's actually quite sad. |
Posted By: al-amiyr
Date Posted: 21 March 2013 at 1:35pm
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Post 13
surface that must be extracted and in this case here - The Qur'aan Cosmological Model. Kh = T +R +F +2T +2R +2F. Which is derived from: Khalqan = Tayyan +Ratqan +Fatqan +2Tayyan +2Ratqan +2Fatqan. (an example of what is meant above in English is) Creation = Turn in +Rotate + Fire out +2Turn in +2Rotate +2Fire out. Which in turn are the key words from The Two Specific Qur'aan Cosmological Verses that describe the general evolution of the universe from before its date of birth and until its death.
Kh = T +R +F +2T +2R +2F through the fundamental structure of the Arabic language then we
witness a magnificent display of verbs, nouns, and adjectives that go
back to describe each and every phase of the universe at its exact time
and place in great detail. We are presented without
exaggeration hundreds of beautiful drawings of the phases the universe
undergoes from its cosmological origin, through its cosmological
evolution, and until its eventual cosmological fate. And upon that we
also see the derivation of many simple and logical abbreviations that
precisely describe each and every phase of the universe. And then
further beyond that we realize and see how the actions of the universe
drive life into the dead and empty of meaning fundamental building
blocks of the language- which are all the fundamental verbal patterns
from which are derived the words of the language.
Qur�aan 021:30 أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ transliteration �a-wa-lam yara lladhiyna kafaruw �anna as-samaawaati wa-l-�arDa kaanataa Ratqan fa-Fataq-naa humaa wa-ja�al-naa min al-maa�i kulla shay�in hayyin �a-fa-laa yu�minuwna Have those who have disbelieved now not seen:- that the samaawaat and the �arD (1)- were both Ratq (2)- and so We Fataq them both again. And We made from water every living thing. Will they now not believe? [translation by al-amiyr muhammad al-qurashi al-amjadiy] |
Posted By: StopS
Date Posted: 22 March 2013 at 6:38am
Hahaha, right - and that is why the screenshot is right here? /endsarcasm |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 22 March 2013 at 6:44am
| Stop S, I like the wind tunnel interpretation of his art work. Whin I look at this sketch I am reminded of the disk sent into space by the US Voyager spacecraft. It was an attempt to communicate with whatever species found this spacecraft. We have no way to know what the baboon actually meant by his feces drawings because nothing is labeled. Oh well, maybe the zookeeper knows. |