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Topic: gaza
Posted By: whitelion553
Subject: gaza
Date Posted: 17 November 2012 at 11:29pm
| come and speak about gaza |
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Posted By: whitelion553
Date Posted: 17 November 2012 at 11:30pm
| gaza and palestine is belong to all muslems and we must be backer of our brothers and sisters |
Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 18 November 2012 at 9:04am
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It is a shame that all of us see aggression and oppression in Gaza and other places but we cannot do anything to stop it. The silence is deafening. As if our lips are sealed, our hands are tied. We are unable to raise our concern and voice against an open aggression against people who happen to be our fellow humans let alone our brothers in Islam.
Our (US)government is helpless to openly speak up against such unjustified killings and destruction of one people by another. Everyone around the globe (except our ordinary folks who believe in whatever they are told) know who controls our leaders. The leaders know what is right and what is wrong, but they are helpless as they are controlled by Israelis and serve their interests. Since Nixon every president is scared to speak the truth against Israel because of fear of loosing their seat or getting blackmailed to a disgraceful exit. Obviously they choose their seat and job by glorifying those who control their fate. Every man and woman of knowledge knows that. One day the world will judge them for their actions and in-actions. They will not be glorified for supporting the aggression and oppression at the end but for standing up against it, even if that put them in risk of being kicked out of power. I hope they realize that the real glory comes by standing up against oppression does not matter how powerful the aggressor is. Hasan ------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 18 November 2012 at 6:03pm
| http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24306 |
Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 29 November 2012 at 2:38pm
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Caringheart,
it is responsibility of all humanity to address crises like Gaza. Caringheart you are scared to comment anything against Israel, these Israelis are more fair than you: This link does not seem to work, try typing words: "Cleansing Gaza - Israel/Palestine" in Youtube search. %20 - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?annotation_id=annotation_997988&feature=iv&list=PL0F3E4174CED2859C&src_vid=cKHaowFEOsw Hasan ------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 02 December 2012 at 3:36am
It belongs to both Israelis and Palestinians, don't you think? If someone thinks all Israelis should disappear, he or she is no better than those Israelis who think all Palestinians should disappear. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
whitelion553 wrote:Posted By: nothing
Date Posted: 02 December 2012 at 5:58pm
So whatever the remaining land that is not called "Israel" today still considered shared property? Or which one are you referring to? |
Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 03 December 2012 at 1:40pm
Of course it belongs to Palestinian state, in which Jews can live as lived before, Christians the same way. Most of the Jews that came to the area after forming of state of Israel were actually came from abroad. After the break up of Soviet Union thousands of Jews (many were not even Jews anymore) were given instant citizenship upon arrival while those Palestinians who have lived there for generations could not return to their homeland after being force out. What kind of standards are that? Hasan ------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 04 December 2012 at 6:20am
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As mentioned in the other thread: keep in mind that the majority of Israelis were born after 1948 and have build houses and are now being threatened to leave their houses and be driven into the sea to drown. I agree that the world community could have handled the matter in a better way back in 1948. But we cannot undo the past. Millions of Germans who have not voted for the Nazis and were against their agenda lost their homes in Eastern Europe. Their West German brothers and sisters invited all the millions of refuges and shared their homes. Should the children of these refuges now ask Poles and Romanians and all the others to leave Poland and Romania so that the Germans can go back? The Arab brothers and sisters did not invite the Palestinian refugees and they didn't share their homes. They still don't to this day. All they do is asking for Israelis to be killed so that Palestinians can go back to what used to be Palestine. That's a pseudovision for the future. That's a recipe for doom. Renaming Israel to Palestine won't work. It could be named Israel-Palestine. There are a lot of countries with hyphens in them. Michael Lerner suggested several models. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 04 December 2012 at 2:42pm
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Matt,
the Jews are still collecting money from what was done to them during Holocaust. If they have committed a crime, stole anything (land in this case) they are thief. And a thief does not become clean after death, until the property is returned to its rightful owners, the Palestinians. I know certain things cannot be undone, like torture or Palestinians, mass murder of innocent villagers, loss of their livestock, their farms, houses, their livelihood, their dreams and so on. But there are ways to do the justice. When a criminal kills an innocent man, we cannot bring back the deceased, but in order to serve justice we punish the killer. The world must unite and punish Israel for it's crime and compensate to the Palestinians for what injustices they have suffered for several generations now. Hasan ------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |
Posted By: Shaik Speare
Date Posted: 07 December 2012 at 8:52am
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Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 16 December 2012 at 7:51am
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The West Bank and Gaza would already be a country recognized by the UN, if all Palestinian leaders acknowledged Israel's right to exist. The West Bank and Gaza would already be a country if the Israeli government returned to the 1967 borders and made the illegal settlers leave their settlements. Israelis elect hardliners because of the Hamas threat. Palestinians elect Hamas because of the Israeli hardliners. It's called a deadlock. Michael Lerner describes a way out of it. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 16 December 2012 at 2:44pm
| Well said Matt. |
Posted By: Shaik Speare
Date Posted: 17 December 2012 at 5:35am
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Posted By: whitelion553
Date Posted: 20 December 2012 at 10:41pm
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"In the Name of Allah "The All Beneficent the All
Merciful "All Praise belongs to Allah the Lord of the Worlds and may His
Peace and blessings be upon the supreme Messenger the Trustworthy Prophet and
his immaculate Household the chosen testaments .the problem of the occupation
of Palestine and the holy city of Qods the biggest catastrophe that has
befallen the Islamic Ummah in contemporary history as a result of colonial
plots .The present era is an era of Islamic awakening with Palestine at its
very core " since the occupation of Palestine the oppressed Palestinian
people have been through periods of severe ordeal and have undergone various
tribulations beginning with an unequal and desperate resistance followed by
homlessness and ex ile devastation of homes and homeland massacre of dear ones
recourse to international bodies taking resort in fruitless political
bargainings and the totally hapless gamble of negotiating with the occupier
with the mediation of those very powers who bear the principal guilt for
bringing about this calamity and are responsible for its continuation "The
outcome of this historical experience was to bring the proud young generation
of that brave and enlightened people to the peaks of awakening unleashing the
volcano of the Intifada "The opposite camp has also passed through various
stages extending from merciless and unbridled savagery ferocious
destructiveness and genocide military aggression against neighboring states and
entertaining of the Nile to Euphrates pretensions to political and economic
encroachment on the region by exploiting the weakness and betrayal of some
politicians of the Muslim world leading up to its sudden encounter with the
awakened lion of Palestine aroused from slumber and the roaring Intifada of an
arisen people at the end of their patience "The outcome of this eventful
process backed all along by the power and wealth of Britain and America with
their disgraceful support for Zionist criminals is the present unsteadiness
uncertainty and despair among the leaders of the usurper regime and their
encounter with the roaring and rising waves of Islamic awakening "It is
true that Palestine still remains the scene of most heinous crimes by the
Zionist usurpers and foreigners against the ands oppressed owners Most
barbarous and unparalleled acts of inhumanity are flagrantly committed and
proudly announced by the Zionist regime But a glance at the record of this drama reveals a startling and instructive
reality which is nothing other than a drastically changed scene and a shifting
of power across the fronts inside Palestine as well as beyond it within the
Middle East and across the Muslim world for whose longterm subjugation
basically the disastrous usurpation of Palestine had been planned and executed
by Western statesmen "Consider the Palestine of the 40s a land in the
heart of the Arab world an unaware people an impoverished country under a weak
government with colonial puppets as its neighbors "The wealthiest the most
well armed and nefarious of Western powers urged on by the Zionists wrests this
country from its Muslim people and hands it over to a racist rapacious and
terrorist party "All Western governments as well as both the worlds rival
political blocs support it The regions puppet regimes such as Pahlavi Iran and
some others betray Islam and Arab identity to place themselves at its service
"Money arms science and technology are put at its disposal from all sides
The United States acts as its patron attorney and steward and this is the only
matter regarding which the Soviet Union has no dispute with the United States
UN resolutions despite their weak and cautious tone are totally ignored by the
fake and lawless Zionist regime "Encouraged by US and European support it
launches military attacks on Egypt ,Syria, Jordan and Lebanon and invades their
territories with the intent of permanent occupation "It raves recklessly
and threatens with assassination murder and pillage Notorious terrorists attain
to high office one after another the last of them being the infamous war
criminal of the Sabra and Shatila massacres "For several decades the
usurper regime maintains its violent intransigent extortionate and
irrepressible face on the Palestinian scene "On the opposite front following
the initial weakness and friability and failure of half done efforts of the
early years
experiments are made one after another "The theoretical and practical
products of nationalism Marxism and the like fail the tests "Religious
faith held strongly by the people gradually creates shimmers of light on the
narrow and bleak horizon with the courage of patient and tread fast combatants
"At the moment all of a sudden the sun of the Islamic Revolution rises in
the east There the name of Palestine was written on the high banner of this
Divine revolution with the name of God and Islamic shariah "This was a
point of departure in the course of events and with it began the unraveling of
the usurper regime and the decline in the region of the absolute dominance of
the United States which had been a consistent collaborator of the usurper
regime in its crimes "There emerge Jihadist groups in Palestine and
Lebanon with faith in Islam constituting a new generation of genuine and
unswerving combatants "The values of Jihad and martyrdom are revived and
the genuine power that of a nation resolute in its spirit of firmness and
sacrifice recovers its place in the political equations of Palestine and the
region "The noble blood of martyrdom seeking youths and the presence of
dauntless warriors within the struggle invalidate all calculations f worldly
materialists and hedonists opening a new arena where blood triumphs over sword
"Today after those trying beginnings the forces of truth now fresh and
resolute with revived hopes and motives grounded in faith things that absorb
the young generations continue to grow stronger day by day in Palestine and
marching with their heroic jihad towards manifest victory inflict on the enemy
a series of military and political defeats one after another in Palestine and
Lebanon "It appears as if the following words of God were addressed to
them "Allah has promised you abundant spoils which you will capture
"He has expedited this one for you and withheld men hands rom you so that
it may be a sign for the faithful and that He may guide you to a straight path
And other [spoils] which you have not yet captured Allah has comprehended them
and Allah has power over all things.(2006/04/14)words
of leader of Iran ------------- i try to say only facts |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 12:14pm
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"Allah has promised you abundant spoils which you will capture..." This god sounds like a god of war. ... and one who promotes thieving? |
Posted By: whitelion553
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 9:44pm
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Allah is very nice and kind .Allah likes that we be
honest in life. Fact is like oil and it is always on surface of the water. Allah is beautiful and
likes all beautiful things. Allah doesn�t like
sins and evils. We have a complete religion. We are passenger in this world
and life is passing like a river ,it is better that we live in the best way. Every
one likes safe ,fact and peace. What is the purpose of our livings? Purpose of all is finding the way that that take us to luck
and paradise . Allah is mean of good life and doesn�t like prejudice ,lie
and cruelty. ------------- i try to say only facts |
Posted By: Osterpe
Date Posted: 15 July 2014 at 12:36am
I agree with you. I am a Finnish man and in a history Finland has gone through almost the same what happened in Palestine in those days. The Russians tried to conquer Finland during the WW II but Finland survived. However Finland suffered big losts. Many men, women and children died under the fire of the Russians, the big and important areas of Finland granted to Russia, including the homes and properties of the people who were forced to flee. The state of Finland were also forced to pay the huge amounts of war reparations to Russia, who claimed it was Finland who started the war. In those days the whole world accepted Finland as a guilty for that war. Nowadays it has come to commonly known that it was actually Russia who started the war. Have they paid back the war reparations? Have they given back the granted land areas? Have they even begged forgiveness for the families who lost their fathers, mothers and children? No. They haven't done anything like that. Should the people of Finland have started to shoot rockets to St. Petersburg or Moscow? Should the people of Finland even today stick in the past crimes and stop living in peace and rise the weapons against the Russians? There were over 800 000 people who fled from their homes and own lands. They were rehoused among the survived parts of Finland. Many people in Finland were forced to give a part of their land to the refugees to settle down and build a new home for their families. It was an emergency period in Finland after the war and there was shortage of almost everything but the Finnish people sticked together and managed to overcome the challenges. My grandparents lost everything in those days. They lost their home, they lost their land and property. They succeeded to take just a few ordinary things with them before they had to leave. Just a few ours after that the Russian troops and aircraft were bombing the area they were living. I know I would have a legal right to demand those areas to myself but I have already a home in else where. My family have built a new life, even they didn't have money, they didn't have a home, they didn't have anything. They just had a will, they had perseverance and they had a goal in a better life. What kind of country Finland is today? In every way measured Finland is one of the best countries to live in the whole world. Would Finland be like that if the people of Finland would have chosen the way of war and rocket strikes in stead of the peace? I doubt it. What I am trying to say? It is never too late to turn the page and start to stick in the brighter future. This is possible if the people just keep their focus on the right things. The right things are peace, building the new homes and infrastruckture, education, creating new ideas and plans to get the better life for every people in that area. Someone just should start to do this. War creates more war, rocket strikes create more rocket strikes .... peace creates more peace. Everything debends on choises and every human is responsible for their own happiness. I know this is more simple to say than do, but forgiving the old crimes and focusing the happy future should be a goal for every human in the Middle East. If this isn't the main goal for the people there, they are all maintaining the current situation. It doesn't matter if they are jews or moslems. They are all the same. |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 15 July 2014 at 9:24pm
Well said... both. It is what I have been saying. People can either choose peace, or continued strife. Many people and nations have had to make these choices... the wise, choose peace, future, and prosperity, rather than continued strife. ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 15 July 2014 at 9:57pm
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http://worldviewweekend.com/news/article/hamas-just-attempted-create-horrific-nuclear-disaster-heart-israel
------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: marcello
Date Posted: 18 July 2014 at 7:16am
A truly excellent post, Osterpe! Those who think that Hamas is fully justified in continuing to fire rockets into Israel would have to support rocket fire from Native American reservations into U.S. cities, from Tibet into China, or (to use your own example) from Finland into Russia. Hamas's charter is dedicated to the total re-conquest of Israel, by the charter's own terms, peace with Israel is forbidden. Thus, as long as Hamas and Israel continue to exist, peace is impossible. |
Posted By: jigjoe
Date Posted: 19 July 2014 at 4:38am
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- Three jews get kidnapped. - jewish extremist netanyahu instantly blames Hamas - Hamas rejects any blame. - netanyahu insists Hamas did it and says that all Palestinians will suffer - f16s and apache helicopters shower Gaza with missiles. - Hamas starts shooting these 4th of July rockets in their limited defense. - isntreal showers down more missiles and starts a ground offensive. - Thousands of innocent Palestinians are left homeless/targeted and killed. - The world sympathizes with the jews. Makes sense to me  |
Posted By: semar
Date Posted: 25 July 2014 at 8:55am
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=658628350897329&set=vb.366987393394761&type=2&theater -
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=658628350897329 - PLO's Hanan Ashrawi: 'Deliberate Massacre' in Gaza https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=658628350897329&set=vb.366987393394761&type=2&theater -
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=658628350897329&set=vb.366987393394761&type=2&theater
------------- Salam/Peace, Semar "We are people who do not eat until we are hungry and do not eat to our fill." (Prophet Muhammad PBUH) "1/3 of your stomach for food, 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air" |
Posted By: marcello
Date Posted: 28 July 2014 at 12:28pm
It would make sense if you got your facts right. First of all, and central to the current conflict, is the fact that Hamas's charter calls outright for the destruction of Israel. How is it possible for a country to have any sort of peace with an organization whose founding document calls for the elimination of that country? Peace will never happen between the Israelis and Palestinians until the Palestinians accept the reality of Israel's existence and are satisfied with a two-state solution. Regardless of whether or not one thinks that the establishment of Israel was fair and just, the reality is that Israel is just not going to pack up and leave. The likelihood of that is roughly the same as the United States returning all of its territory to the Native Americans. How do you think the U.S. might respond if its Indian reservations started launching rockets into Washington, New York, and Chicago? Moreover, you are incorrect that Israel began to "shower Gaza with missiles" immediately after Hamas was blamed for kidnapping the three teens. Instead, on June 15, Israel responded by arresting Hamas members in the West Bank and placing other restrictions on Hamas. Hamas responded with indiscriminate rocket fire on the Israeli civilian population on June 16. Only then did the escalation of attacks by the Israeli Air Force begin. |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 29 July 2014 at 2:27pm
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The news today is so disturbing. Interesting interview I watched last night with Khaled Meshaal. http://video.pbs.org/video/2365297457/ ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 29 July 2014 at 8:42pm
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I watch about the tunnels, and I think, what a waste, a waste of time, energy, resources, and life. All those men, energy, time, resources that could be used to build up the land rather than tear down another.  ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 01 August 2014 at 9:55pm
Prophets of Israel, and prophesies concerning Israel/JerusalemAmos 1:6-8So is Israel acting upon the scriptures, or are the prophecies of the scriptures being fulfilled ? Self-fulfilling prophecy, or 20/20 vision in hindsight of history ? Those with eyes to see, ears to hear, let them not be caught unawares. Israel - They try to do what is right even while doing what is wrong ? "IDF sets up hospital for Palestinians near Gaza border" Hamas - hides among civilians, putting civilians at risk, in order to claim brutality of the defender ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 07 August 2014 at 2:49pm
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I'm dumbfounded and amazed that the people of Gaza can not see that it is Hamas that is bringing all the tragedy upon their families. I keep trying to put myself in their shoes, to understand their thinking. I do not understand. If my government was firing rockets on my neighboring country and bringing about such devastating return attacks on my homes and my family, I would be angry at my government for instigating such things, for bringing this destruction on me. I would be mad at them for hiding themselves and their weapons in my neighborhood, and among civilian populations, and at schools built in good faith for my children, and at the church of my God. In my country I try to live away from military encampments in order to be safe... and this is possible. This is a possible choice. ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: kodoo
Date Posted: 23 August 2014 at 8:14pm
| Well, Christians in the region understand it. Look up Julia Boutros for instance. She sings in praise of blessed Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah. |
Posted By: kodoo
Date Posted: 23 August 2014 at 8:19pm
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Three Palestinians killed in Israeli airstrikes, death toll mounts to 2,095
http://www.sana.sy/en/?p=10973 - http://www.sana.sy/en/?p=10973 I pray Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah retaliate and take revenge of these innocent people soon and send the zionist entity to the depths of hellfire. |