Therepy against anti-semitism: Freedom of choice
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Topic: Therepy against anti-semitism: Freedom of choice
Posted By: Friendship
Subject: Therepy against anti-semitism: Freedom of choice
Date Posted: 14 November 2012 at 1:08am
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Assalamu alaikum. http://www.chabad.org/search/keyword_cdo/kid/94/jewish/Lubavitcher-Rebbe-Own-Works.htm - http://www.chabad.org/therebbe/letters/default_cdo/aid/1329525/jewish/Freedom-of-Choice-vs-G-ds-Omniscience.htm. The point is: If Muhammad Rasulullah's teaching is different from what the followers of Moses believed, then Muhammad Rasulullah brought nothing but conflict in the world. If however what he said, believed, practiced and commanded all and sundry to believe, practice continuously, is in the Torah, then Muhammad's name should be made sacred. The Children of Israel (Jews), then must be held responsible for their fate and all what mankind is facing today. Muhammad compared the Torah with his Message, Qur'an 29:49: Bring a Book from Allah better than Torah and the Qur'an (my sunna) for me to follow if you are telling the truth. Let the Jews clean their hand from insulting Muhammad by distributing this book in website:sbpra.com//allamadrsanisalihmustapha to the Muslims as a substitute to cartooning Muhammad Rasulullah. Education is the backbone of our security and development. The Children of Israel then demands the removal of any 'isms' and name used by the followers of Muhammad like sunni, shi'ites, ahl-al-sunna, wahabism, hizbullah etc from circulation. The world then adopts the name Islam: You are a Muslim either believing in the teaching of Moses or its simplified form practiced by Muhammad as demanded, practiced and witnessed by the Levi clan of the Children of Israel in Madina between 623-629 A.D. This is the best way of eradicating anti-semitism more powerful then oil embargo, selling of lethal arms to despotic Muslim regimes that has so far failed to establish peace in the world. Friendship. |
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Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 14 November 2012 at 6:27am
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One question, Friendship: Do you know Rabbi Michael Lerner? ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 14 November 2012 at 8:36am
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Assalamu alaika Matt Browne. I do not know him unless you want introduce me to him or vice versa. I have never met any one face to face, but I will certainly meet those I communicate with anytime I am in USA. Friendship |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 19 November 2012 at 11:55pm
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I don't know him personally, but I read two of his books. He uses interfaith dialog to reduce anti-semitism. He criticizes Jewish hardliners like Benjamin Netanyahu Take a look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lerner_%28rabbi%29#Positive_Judaism - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lerner_%28rabbi%29#Positive_Judaism ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 20 November 2012 at 6:57am
Wa Alaikkum As'alaam Dr. Friendship you are seriously misguided. In the same Surah it says this. Sahih International Allah extends provision for whom He wills of His servants and restricts for him. Indeed Allah is, of all things, Knowing. 29:62. The Children of Israel had their chance and they blew it big time. They broke the Covenants that Prophet Ibrahim (Alayhi Salaam) and Prophet Musa (Alayhi Salaam) made with Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. This is the whole reason that Prophet Muhammad (Salallahu Alayhi Wa Sallah) was chosen for the final revelation to mankind. If everything was hunky dorey with the Jews why would Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala choose the final messenger to mankind outside of Judaism? Also consider these verses. Muhsin Khan And when there came to them (the Jews), a Book (this Quran) from Allah confirming what is with them [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], although aforetime they had invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad Peace be upon him ) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on the disbelievers. 2:89 And when it is said to them (the Jews), "Believe in what Allah has sent down," they say, "We believe in what was sent down to us." And they disbelieve in that which came after it, while it is the truth confirming what is with them. Say (O Muhammad Peace be upon him to them): "Why then have you killed the Prophets of Allah aforetime, if you indeed have been believers?" 2:91 And verily, you will find them (the Jews) the greediest of mankind for life and (even greedier) than those who - ascribe partners to Allah (and do not believe in Resurrection - Magians, pagans, and idolaters, etc.). Everyone of them wishes that he could be given a life of a thousand years. But the grant of such life will not save him even a little from (due) punishment. And Allah is All-Seer of what they do. 2:96 Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) till you follow their religion. Say: "Verily, the Guidance of Allah (i.e. Islamic Monotheism) that is the (only) Guidance. And if you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) were to follow their (Jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Quran), then you would have against Allah neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper. 2:120 And they say, "Be Jews or Christians, then you will be guided." Say (to them, O Muhammad Peace be upon him ), "Nay, (We follow) only the religion of Ibrahim (Abraham), Hanifa [Islamic Monotheism, i.e. to worship none but Allah (Alone)], and he was not of Al-Mushrikun (those who worshipped others along with Allah) 2:135 Say (O Muhammad Peace be upon him) to the Jews and Christians, "Dispute you with us about Allah while He is our Lord and your Lord? And we are to be rewarded for our deeds and you for your deeds. And we are sincere to Him in worship and obedience (i.e. we worship Him Alone and none else, and we obey His Orders)." 2:139 Or say you that Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob) and Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)] were Jews or Christians? Say, "Do you know better or does Allah (knows better… that they all were Muslims)? And who is more unjust than he who conceals the testimony [i.e. to believe in Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him when he comes, written in their Books. he has from Allah? And Allah is not unaware of what you do." 2:140 Those to whom We gave the Scripture (Jews and Christians) recognise him (Muhammad SAW or the Ka'bah at Makkah) as they recongise their sons. But verily, a party of them conceal the truth while they know it - [i.e. the qualities of Muhammad SAW which are written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)]. 2:146 Truly, the religion with Allah is Islam. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, then surely, Allah is Swift in calling to account. 3:19 So if they dispute with you (Muhammad SAW) say: "I have submitted myself to Allah (in Islam), and (so have) those who follow me." And say to those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and to those who are illiterates (Arab pagans): "Do you (also) submit yourselves (to Allah in Islam)?" If they do, they are rightly guided; but if they turn away, your duty is only to convey the Message; and Allah is All-Seer of (His ) slaves. 3:20 I could give you pages and pages of examples why Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala has abandoned them and you want to unite with them religiously? True we need to live in peace with everyone of God's creatures, and those who advocate and preach violence and hatred have no place in Islam. May be you should re-evaluate your beliefs and understanding of your deen. Salaam
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Friendship wrote:Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 20 November 2012 at 7:10am
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Assalamu alaika Abu Loren. If you do not know Dr. Muhsin Khan, I knew him and I visited him in Madina. We set down in his house and had a drink. In the course of our discussions I criticized his translation of Bukhari because it lacks some details. He accepted and advised me not to accept translations without explanations. Dr. Khan is a medical doctor like me. professionals understand the Qur'an more than layman. Friendship. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 20 November 2012 at 7:51pm
Having tea with a scholar doesn't make that person a scholar. So far, you haven't posted anything that is considered scholarly, in fact the opposite. You seem to post anti-Islamic material and it seems that you know somethings that the rest of Islam do not. So why don't you share with us your knowledge? So far all I've seen is you posting material that is against the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah. It seems very clear you do not understand neither. You seem to live in a bubble where you THINK you are a great Muslim scholar.
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Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 20 November 2012 at 8:34pm
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Assalamu alaikum Abu Loren. Yes, indeed I am proud to know a lot that you and others do not know. In the first place, if you have a skill and profession, I cannot depend it in the Qur'an. I do not know what your profession says. I am sure you cannot claim knowing more than me Qur'an 22:5. That is my profession. You are supposed to know in the Qur'an only one letter, or a word, or an Ayat or a chapter that will make you obey the Sunna of Muhammad. Knowing everything is harmful. You should be ashamed of yourself for you do not know the meaning of the hadith you quoted on the Arafat day. You do not that Arafat was not observed on the 9th. I am sure if you pray at all, you do that insulting Muhammad. Well, just be patient. Think when you stand before Allah reciting Him the Qur'an and not the actions of Muhammad. Tell me the value of an Ibadat not done according to the Sunna? Are you saying that Dr. Muhammad Khan is not a scholar? Please stop disgracing Islam. it is better Icforum remove you from this forum. Friendship. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 20 November 2012 at 8:45pm
I see, so instead of giving us cryptic clues why don't you give us the all knowing answers that you possess? With regard to the Day of Arafat my understanding is that on the 8th we assume the ihram, then do the tawaf. On the following day, the 9th is the actual Day of Arafat. If that is wrong then why don't you enlighten me and everybody else who do not know. Give us your all knowing wisdom oh masterful one and stop talking rubbish. You should be ashamed of yourself, you are a medical doctor without any integrity? Oh man do you have delusions of grandeur or what? Do you know the meaning of being humble?
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Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 21 November 2012 at 12:50am
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Assalamu alaika Abu Loren You seems to be bent on 'Ta'assub' like the brothers of Joseph. I am not responsible for guiding you to enter paradise. I advised you to read this book: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1468070444/ref=cm_sw_su_dp you said: It is rubbish. Now, you will know what rubbish is when you stand before Allah comparing your Salat with that of the holy apostle. You do not understand by reading a phrase or a sentence. You quoted your translated hadith books without explanation. When i told you that I challenged Dr. Khan you ridiculed me. Unto your neck in forbearance! Friendship. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 21 November 2012 at 2:12am
Wa Alaikkum As'alaam Can you please translate the above into layman's language so that I can understand? Sorry I don't read books written by i diots all I need is the Holy Qur'an and the Hadiths of the Prophet (Salallahu Alayi Wa Sallam).
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Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 21 November 2012 at 3:01am
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Assalamu alaikum Abu Loren. This is your misguidance. You are proud of the reciting the Qur'an but not knowing its meaning. so you do not know the meaning of 'Ta'assub' while it is in the Qur'an? You are the people behind Taliban and al-qaeeda because you read without understanding. You are the ones describe by Muhammad, "They read without the word going beyond their throats". I understand why I am an *****. I tried my best to correct you. This forum is not meant for jesting. Friendship. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 21 November 2012 at 3:17am
Wa Alaikkum As'alaam All that you've ever said in this forum is WRONG. May be you should read and re-read the Holy Qur'an. Your understanding of the Hadiths and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (Salallhu Alayhi Wa Sallam) is also questionable. The nearest I've come to the Taliban and Al Qaeeda is reading about them on the news sites.
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Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 21 November 2012 at 8:09am
| The Arabs are also Semites, the Semitic languages include Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic and Syriac. So stop using the term anti-semitic. |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 21 November 2012 at 9:32am
The following is an excerpt taken from the book referenced in Friendship's link: Title of Book: "Reviving As-Salat of the holy Apostle, the Gateway to Paradise" "Necessitates and calls for the second occupation of Makka (the Ka'ba)" by Dr. Sani Salih Mustapha - Amazon http://www.amazon.com/dp/1468070444/ref=cm_sw_su_dp Excerpt taken from page 33. "The holy Apostle began to lead the Sahabas in five obligatory prayers at the age of 53 years. Abubakar became the Imam, at the age of 60 years, when he led the holy Apostle during his illness. Umar Bin Khattab became the Imam, at the age of 55 years, Uthman at the age of 60 years, Ali bin Abi Talib at the age of 57 years. So according to my interpretation of Sunna, an Imam has to attain the age of 53 to 66 years. the Sahabas were definitely aware of that, but no one reported this in his hadith. Today, it stands as my hadith. If, there is freedom of intellectualism in the Muslim Umma, that should be the ideal. But, it is that of intellectual slavery! The practice today, in appointing young graduates, from Islamic universities, therefore goes against the Sunna. I wonder how these young Imams can escape the complaint of Ali ibn Talib, of experiencing excessive seminal fluid discharge." |
Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 21 November 2012 at 7:51pm
What kind of Islamic scholar has the certificate to insult muslims left right and center? What Islamic university issues these certificates? You are proud? Do you know that Kibr is Allah's upper garment and pride His lower and whoever competes Him in these He destroys them, and He does not care ... have you ever heard that Hadith? You may have learnt a lot, but sorry to say you don't sound like a m'arif, because you claim to be proud! I was shocked to read this above post. I dont know anything, nor do I claim to know anything, but I know that Allah has said in the Quran, His servants are those who walk on this earth in humility. Another small reminder, whoever does not send salah/salam on the messenger of Allah after his mention (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) is a loser. Some muslims carelessly say 'Muhammad' in their discussion and forget that even Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala did not call him just that - not once in the Quran - He is always mentioned with a certain level of respect even by The Creator!! barak Allahu feek! ------------- <font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 21 November 2012 at 10:21pm
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Assalamu alaiki Nausheen There are etiquette in Islamic teaching: 1. If you read and you do not understand read another book. 2. If you hear something, take it if it is useful to you at that time. This is what 'Umar called 'waaqi'a. Anything that does not bother you forget about it. 3. Whatever one says, you will not be called to account for that. Don't judge others but judge yourself. 4. If you know the history of the Sahabas, you will know why I am proud. Let us respect knowledge: WHEN ABU HURAIRA WAS REMINDED ABOUT A HADITH HE QUOTED HE DENIED THAT. HE HAD TO CHECK HIS WRITING. WHEN HE FOUND THAT HADITH, HE AGREED. I AM SURE YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT SENDING SALAT TO MUHAMMAD IS COMPULSORY. GIVE YOUR REFERENCE! My advice to you is: You are a female and suppose to be modest like the daughters of Jethro. Please before you gravitate to the Qur'an understand the etiquette in the Torah. Friendship. |
Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 12:21am
Did I say it was '�ompulsory'? Is this how you have comprehended my previous post? Adab is not compulsory from the sharia point of view either, but even Allah does not say 'Muhammad'without using a honorific title when he (sallallahu alaihe wassallam) is mentioned in the Quran.
What? ------------- <font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 12:29am
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Friendship,
I think you are a jew in guise of a muslim trying to create confusion on our boards and misguide us! I think you should simply be ignored. But hats off to your efforts. ------------- <font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 1:22am
I also think this guy should be ignored, all of his posts are anti Qur'an and anti Islamic. His only purpose here seems to be to sow the seeds of doubt among the believers.
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 6:41am
Seeking to cause decent and confusion is certainly not limited to Jews. Friendship is likely well intentioned, but confused and mentally challenged. On occasion his thoughts are expressed coherently, however most comments, like his book, are mindless rambling nonsense. Wallahu Mustaan.
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Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 9:54am
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Assalamu alaikum abuayisa. Those who deny evidences, proofs, signs etc are challenged to produce something better than what they were taught and saw put into practice that improved the lot of the community irrespective of their beliefs. No one has ever produced proofs evidences and signs to counteract what Friendship is saying. Is this not a sign of ignorance? All the questions I have asked, no one has produced an answer. Is it not a sing ignorance and blind followership for one to limit sending Salat on the name of Muhammad and not Ahmad, Mustapha, Al-Ameen, and Abu Qasim? Are these not the holy apostles names? Friendship want to learn and the aim of this forum is to educate and not to fall into polemics that leads to nowhere. Learning is from books and not from mere assumption. Why did you not comment on what the author says on page 33? Friendship |
Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 10:17am
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Assalamu alaiki Nausheen. Please note that: 1. The greatest 'Kibr' is arrogance triggered by ignorance. 'Kibr' while displaying the bounties of Allah on one is commendaable. I am proud that I know the Sunna of Muhammad. The senior Sahabas used to say: There is no a verse of the Qur'an but I know when it was revealed, the causes of revelation and its inner and outer meaning. If there is a Sahaba who knows more than I, I will certainly go to him. Ali said: I am from Banu Hashim I am the first to accept Islam when you were running away, I am from the Banu Makhzum and I grew under the care of my uncle. 2. The ones who walked with humility are those who dissociate from the ignorant ones who are arrogant sticking to what their forefathers did. 3. As a display of your ignorance you have forgotten Qur'an 2:144 and Qur'an 47 and yet you are proud of quoting from the Qur'an. Answer the following questions please: 1. When did Arafat take place and why did it take place on that day? 2. In which of the letters the holy apostle sent to the then world leaders SAW was written? 3. What did Abubakar say when he come to the holy apostle and saw him dead? If you know the answers and you keep silent are you not concealing the truth? Please note that Friendship want to enter paradise. Friendship. |
Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 10:27am
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Assalamu alaika Abu loren. I am friendly with the Jews. By the Allah of Abraham, I do not know why they like me. I respect the Jews and always pray for Allah to turn their hearts to follow the Sunna of Muhammad. Their story in the Qur'an and explanations from their Rabbis make my faith stronger, to follow no one but Allah and his last prophet and messenger. The quality of their Rabbis is that they never say what they do not know and always give you reference to support what they say. Friendship. |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 11:19am
Abu Mas`ud Al-Ansari reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, �The person who can best read the Book of Allah will lead the people (in prayer). If they are equal in reading (the Qur�an), then the one who has more knowledge of the Sunnah. If they are equal in the knowledge of Sunnah, then the one who was first in making the Hijrah (from Makkah to Madinah). If they are equal in that then the one who is more senior (or older) in Islam. Let not a person lead the prayer in the place of the authority of another person and let him not sit in his house in his place of honor, except by his permission.� (Reported by Muslim)� |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 11:40am
Friendship, in the introduction of your book, that I quoted from previously, you state the following: "The first thing you do on accepting the teaching of Muhammad is to go on pilgrimage. May Allah forgive you! I swear by Allah, your pilgrimage is not rewarded, because there is no Caliph leading the Arafat prayer." Please provide your "reference to support" what you have claimed above in your book. What is the textual evidence that a new Muslim after embracing Islam must make hajj, and what is your supporting evidence that hajj without a Caliph is not rewarded?
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Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 1:28pm
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Assalamu alaika Abuayisa. Read carefully applying the methodology giving by the holy apostle and Sahabas on deductions and ruling from the Qur'an and the ahadith of the holy apostle. The answer is there clearly given by the author. I am sure the author is referring to what we see from those Westerners who accept Islam. They immediately visit Makka without knowing the rules and regulations on prayers and hajj. But why skipping the reality? Is Arafat supposed to held on the 9th of Zulhajj? Please try to reason. You should understand what I am saying. As I said earlier, I listened to the video of Martin Lings and I was disturbed when he said that Arafat was observed on the 9th in 1948. I checked his book and found that. do you his book on the history of the holy apostle? From that date, there was never an Imam and probably you if you were ever there who read the exact date Arafat was observed. It was observed on Friday. Then when was Friday in 632 A.D? Was there ever a historian who said that that Arafat was not observed on Friday. I read that book also and I am convinced by the author after checking his references. I checked the commentary of Qur'an by Imam Shankiti on chapter 22 and I understood what the author said. If you do not understand why not read the tafsir of shankiti? Please do not be shy to discuss with your Imam and other brothers. It is important they buy that book. Friendship. |
Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 2:00pm
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Assalamu alaika Abuayisa. Now you beginning to be with me. Are you a scientist like me? Let us analyze. 1. Abubakar Siddiq was 37 years old when he accepted Islam. 2. Umar bin Khattab 25 years old. 3. Uthman ibn Affan was 20 years old when he accepted Islam. 4. Ali ibn Abi Talib 10 years old. Hijra. 1. The hijra of the holy Apostle and abubakar superceeds all hijra performed 2. Uthman performed two hijras while Umar performed one. 3. Ali ibn Abi Talib was the last to perform hijra. Education. No doubt- Abubakar, followed by Umar, Uthman and then Ali. The important point here is they were all Caliphs. Now the hadith is matched with action. Any controversy? I do not know your country of residence. What is the practice in your country? Let us be practical please and help one another. If you want further information you can go through Tabaqat kubra and make research on the ages of the sahabas to find out who was older than Abubakar etc. Friendship. |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 2:21pm
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Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 2:56pm
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I will further explain to you: Umar was 22 years old when Uthman and Abubakar accepted Islam for he accepted Islam about ending of 5th year after beginning of revelation. Secondly, note that the emphasis of the Qur'an was at Makka for there was no Sunna in Makka. Therefore the Qur'an means the opening chapter which is compulsory. Then understand that the delegation used to come in batches and used to stay for a month or so learning the Qur'an. So, the Shari'a is only on those delegations. Finally, this shows the nature of knowledge : In Islam it is very vast and as such one may explain what is not of interest to one. Thus why it is always better for one to read and understand on his own. However discussion is the best method of learning as adopted by Abu Hanifa and his circle. Question: Who are your favorite scholars" I mean do you read the books of Ghazali, Shafii, Ibn Taymiyya, Ibn Hazm Andalisia, Ibn Taymiyya, Ibn Qayyim, Shatibi, Shankiti, Shawkani? You must read wide to understand the Sunna Friendship. |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 23 November 2012 at 1:05am
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When I see Muslims debating Muslims I am very hopeful for a better future, because I think civilized debate is so important. Two quotes come to mind: "When all people think alike, no one thinks very much." "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently." ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |