Sharia in Canada (or not)
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Topic: Sharia in Canada (or not)
Posted By: kim!
Subject: Sharia in Canada (or not)
Date Posted: 21 September 2005 at 7:04am
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Hi, was listening to the radio this morning and they were discussing the fact that Canada has suddenly decided that they will have no family courts based upon religious beliefs. They had been heading towards establishing a Sharia court of family law for Muslims who wanted to be able to make that choice. However, the Canadians changed their minds and it turns out that even many Muslims in Canada agree with this change of heart. They inerviewed a guy named Tariq Fatah who openly claimed that not only were many Canadian Muslims against the idea of having different laws for different people but that Shariah laws are completely un-Islamic. I was gobsmacked - I had never heard anyone say such a thing before! He said that Sharia laws are man-made laws created by Sultans many centuries ago who wanted to keep their power and to keep control of their citizens. What do you think of his statement? Kim... |
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Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 21 September 2005 at 11:36am
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Hi Kim!, Tarek Fatah is a thorn in my side! He is constantly quoted in the Canadian media as if he is a spokesperson for all Canadian Muslims - it is really a pain! This man, by his actions and words is no practicing Muslim (I am not judging, that is Allah's dominion - I am only stating facts by what is there in full view in the media). He is very outspoken and pushy and writes a lot of letters to the editor and so forth, he also has a television show. This very unIslamic man has become the face and voice of Islam in this country. It makes me want to scream!!!!! We have plenty of "real" Muslims who make statements and hold events and so forth, but, as is the case in most western countries, the media only gives a lot of press to the 'muslims' who are most like them. It is so sad and so frustrating. My only consolation is knowing that Mr. Fatah will face Allah on the Judgement Day - let's see him talk his way out of that one Peace, ummziba. ------------- Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~ |
!!!!!Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 24 September 2005 at 3:55pm
| Sister Ummziba, upstarts know how to use whatever means for climbing socio-political ladders. But they never win even in this world, somehow something somewhere makes them slip, always. |
Posted By: Mohammed
Date Posted: 21 January 2006 at 12:10pm
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Never will sharia law be allowed in any western country, it is as abismal betrayal of old sultanistic government, I for one, would want to see muslims stand by the laws of the countries they emmigrate to, if you can't, then get out. Simple, don't drag me down, I am now westernised, and want to stay that way, my best friend is a Christian, and if I have to change beliefs to remain, I will,.....Islam is old now, it is not modern, we have to live with the west, grow with the west, embrace the west, god resting, just get on with it.... ------------- For you to quote me, is my reason to abolish you |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 21 January 2006 at 12:26pm
Can Mod or Admin to an IP scan of this guy to see if he is not amlhabibi2000. Lot of similarity |
Mohammed wrote:Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 05 February 2006 at 1:46pm
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Bismillah, M has said in another post this week that he is no longer Muslim. A brother spells his name Mohammad, and he is Muslim. I reiterate another brother's request to you from that other forum: Please change your name to Bill or ex-Muslim or maybe Ex-Mohammed so people will know who they are dealing with. Who would be the Canadian spokesperson you support, Sister Umzibba? ------------- Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will. |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 05 February 2006 at 2:46pm
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Y he turned away from Islam ? |
Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 05 February 2006 at 4:15pm
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Assalamu alaikum, Sis Herjihad, you ask: Who would be the Canadian spokesperson you support, Sister Umzibba? I am not too familiar with who has been used as "spokespersons" for Islam here in Canada, I can only go by what I see on T.V. or read in newspapers. I have great respect for Sheikh Ahmad Kutty (Toronto). I also admire the views of Dr. Mohamed Elmasry, the chair and National President of the Canadian Islamic Congress, as well as his vice-chair and Nat'l Vice-Pres., Mrs. Wahida Valiante. Of course, I have not seen them consulted much by the media, they tend to go for the more "modern/western/just like other Canadian" types (who are really so un-Islamic!). There are others I have seen on T.V. or read in newspapers, but their names escape me. I know there is one Sister from Winnipeg (I think), who is often on T.V. and is lovely to listen to, I think her first name is Shahida... I have a great admiration, as well, for a Toronto Star columnist, Haroon Siddiqui. His views are very Islamic and he expresses himself well in print and on T.V. My favorite "Canadian Muslim" would be Ezz E. Gadd, the presenter of a T.V. show called Reflections on Islam. To me, he is the epitome of someone who is Canadian and Muslim without compromising either. His show is so lovely to watch, his lessons so clear and full of good sense. Anyway, as far as spokesperson in the media, as there is no one consumate Canadian authority for Islam, it tends to be hit and miss, and varies by region as well. For example, in the west (Manitoba to the Pacific), those you see/hear in the media will be different than those in Ontario, Quebec and different again in the east. So, all and all, coverage of Islamic news in Canada is confusing (so many different views), annoying (when they use un-Islamic or even secular spokespeople) and perplexing (to non-Muslims) and frustrating (to Muslims)!!!! Wish I could be more helpful, thanks for asking! Peace, ummziba. ------------- Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~ |
Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 09 February 2006 at 6:38am
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Salam all, Mohammed: (this matter -shariah, came in another section "Current Events", therefore, thought to post a part of that here due to its relevance.) To begin with, I would like to say the topic should be "Shariah in Ontario" as opposed to "shariah in Canada" as it was only under consideration in the province of Ontario, and not in whole of Canada. There are many who ridicule the Qur'an, badmouth Prophet Muhammad ( peace be upon him ) or go about proclaiming that Shariah (Islamic Law) is backward and discriminates against women. The former comprises two main schools, Hillel and Shamai, with the second of these being the stricter. Similarly, applied Shariah also follows different legal schools, ranging from very lenient to very harsh. It was the intent of Muslims in Ontario, Canada to have shariah based tribunals extended to them just as Jews and christians already had them. Did it mean that Muslims wanted to "impose" their way of life on everybodyelse in Ontario and around the world? Of course not. It is a dangerous misconception. And nobody is going to force it on you, and nobody, in fact, can force it on you in a democratic set up. It applies to Muslims. Islamophobia around the world makes you feel that Muslims are threat, whereas we are not. A minority of us may not be following the right path, but have you met 1.5 billion Muslims around the world ? Who gives you the right to speak for them? Media---- My friend, learn Islam from appropriate sources, and don't just bash Muslims and Islam as you wish. Learn Islam and then you will find yourself that Islam is of course the religion of peace and surrender to God. Islam CAN NOT be forced on any one. In some muslim countries, you may hear shariah being praciticed. Let me tell you that no Muslim country in the world, for the time being, has implemented Shariah ( islamic law ) in its true sense. Please don't judge Islam by those examples. Learn Islam and you find it how fruitful it is.
May Allah guide us all.
Peace ------------- Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? Qur'an 55:13 |
Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 09 February 2006 at 10:04pm
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Assalamu Alaikum: Doesn't Jamal Badawi live in Canada? I am a huge fan... ------------- It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince) |
Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 10 February 2006 at 2:13am
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AsslamuAlaikum: Yes, Jamal Badawi lives in Canada. MashaAllah, he is a great scholar. Peace ------------- Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? Qur'an 55:13 |
Posted By: Ketchup
Date Posted: 11 February 2006 at 3:55am
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[QUOTE=Mohammed]Never will sharia law be allowed in any western country, it is as abismal betrayal of old sultanistic government, I for one, would want to see muslims stand by the laws of the countries they emmigrate to, if you can't, then get out.[QUOTE] This is one of the most sensible thing I have read here! Does anyone here honestly think its acceptable to have a seperate set of laws to those of the host country you reside in? The whole idea is horrifying and sends a cold chill down my spine. You have to follow the laws of your country.. you can not be exepmt from it! Has anyone read Animal Farm by Gorge Orwell? He summed it up perfectly.. "All animals are equal, just some are more equal than others" If you have then you will know how it turned out. |
Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 11 February 2006 at 8:02am
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Bismillah, Apparently in Canada, according to the post above, they do apply different laws already and were trying to add some Islaamci ones. Buddy, America is not my HOST country. Besides that, this earth belongs to Allah, The Most Glorious, and Muslims will try to follow His laws. Now, those who don't, are breaking the law. The problem is that we disagree with each other about what the Islaamic laws should be. Most people here don't believe in killing innocent people, ever. But people who do seem to think that that is in the Islaamic law. They are wrong, but that's their belief, unfortunately. If people in Canada can come up with Islaamic laws that they agree to follow, that's their business. So you seem to want to rule America and Canada, but that's not your job, nor Bush's either. (Remember, Gore won?) ------------- Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will. |
Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 11 February 2006 at 11:12am
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Herjiahd: Apparently in Canada, according to the post above, they do apply different laws already and were trying to add some Islaamci ones. Yes, you are right. It was the intent of Muslims in Ontario, Canada to have shariah based tribunals extended to them just as Jews and Christians already had them. But, the government, primarily due to divisions in the Muslim community ( a minority with loud voice in the community against Shariah, majority however, in favour of Shariah ) decided not to do so. The Government of Ontario also decided that all such existing religion based tribunals would be banned in order to appear "non discriminatory". Peace
------------- Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? Qur'an 55:13 |