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Topic: PARTIAL SUSPENSIONS
Posted By: delight
Subject: PARTIAL SUSPENSIONS
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 7:05am

I cannot post somethings in some forums and totally banned in intrafaith forum.
I don't like this new policy.For one thing it gives moderators unlimited power.They can take away any privilege without giving warning or accountability.
    If anybody disobeys your rules,ban or suspend him.At least you will have to give some explanation of banning instead of just letting your whims decide the members fates.
   If I have broken your rules,just ban me instead of humiliating a Muslim like this.

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Posted By: Lameese
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 2:11am

Originally posted by delight delight wrote:


I cannot post somethings in some forums and totally banned in intrafaith forum.
I don't like this new policy.For one thing it gives moderators unlimited power.They can take away any privilege without giving warning or accountability. 
      If I have broken your rules,just ban me instead of humiliating a Muslim like this.

 

Unlimited power, their vision of Islam and what it is and should be based on their ideas. You are right. Total power corrupts totally. Therefore it turns the Islamic site into a dictatorship and deters Muslims from discussing Islam and what it is to them.

A sad, sad, sad reality.

 

Lameese



Posted By: antony
Date Posted: 15 September 2005 at 9:13am


Sad indeed.....


Dictatorship is not for me, people not listening because they are without need?!


Posted By: delight
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 2:28am

Due to great efforts of moderators,intra faith forum had died. With last active post on 21 August 2005.
    Please don't dishonor the dead,bury it.Close this joke of a forum where you cannot argue.And most members are already banned from that forum.

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Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 28 September 2005 at 12:25am
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Intrafaith is an Islamic forum not an Inter-faith forum.

stop complaining about things that dont concern you.


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Posted By: delight
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 1:54am
Originally posted by rami rami wrote:

<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem</span>

Intrafaith is an Islamic forum not an Inter-faith forum.

stop complaining about things that dont concern you.



When you ban me from INTRA faith forum without giving any reason,it does concern me.I don't know what you mean by Inter faith forum.I never complained about that.

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Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 2:16am

Originally posted by delight delight wrote:


When you ban me from INTRA faith forum without giving any reason,it does concern me.I don't know what you mean by Inter faith forum.I never complained about that.

Intrafaith forum is strictly for islamic discussions. We cannot allow secular and non-islamic discussions on all forums, thus members shall be allowed access selectively.

There are several forums open for you, please confine your discussions to those.

Thank you,

Nausheen



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Posted By: aishag88
Date Posted: 17 November 2005 at 12:06pm

 I have to agree a little bit with delight, If you ban somebody without thier knowlegde you are not giving them reason for there ban. You should at least tell people and give reason for being banned. 

 I relize this is a Islamic form, But thats a Intra faith borad. I am confussed. You have to allow some discuess about other religions, or maybe i am missing the point. Maybe they isulted Islam, if they did they I am in agreement for not allowing that.

 


 



Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 17 November 2005 at 5:52pm
Originally posted by aishag88 aishag88 wrote:

 I have to agree a little bit with delight, If you ban somebody without thier knowlegde you are not giving them reason for there ban. You should at least tell people and give reason for being banned. 

 I relize this is a Islamic form, But thats a Intra faith borad. I am confussed. You have to allow some discuess about other religions, or maybe i am missing the point. Maybe they isulted Islam, if they did they I am in agreement for not allowing that.

I think the reasons have been posted several times now. There is a formal note by Rami in Announcements telling averyone about the restrictions.

Intrafaith discussions accomodate topics dealing with differences in faith under the banner of Islam, not outside it.

To discuss other religions please go to Interfaith discussions.

Thank you,

Nausheen



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Posted By: Athanasius
Date Posted: 13 April 2006 at 12:41pm
Yes, where is Meng?  Has the lad been banned from IslamicCity.  I thought Meng made some valid points that would have provided good discussions.  Also, I notice that Katherine is gone - where is she?  What have you done with her?  She was here for quite a while, right?

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Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 13 April 2006 at 1:19pm
Originally posted by Athanasius Athanasius wrote:

Yes, where is Meng?� Has the lad been banned from IslamicCity.� I thought Meng made some valid points that would have provided good discussions.


good riddance , They came here to wage fourth crusade or something.

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Also, I notice that Katherine is gone - where is she? What have you done with her?

Dont worry, she will return under fake ID, like all the other banned members do.

This forum is for discussion,we are not here to prove Islam wrong or something.

I think she and her evalgelist friend meng had too many violations.




Posted By: Torrencedelay
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 1:03pm
What this site needs is some educated monitors who do not feel threatened every time somebody disagrees with them.  It is a sign of intellectual insecurity to attempt to shut up anything you cannot understand or overcome.

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Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 1:27pm

Originally posted by Torrencedelay Torrencedelay wrote:

What this site needs is some educated monitors who do not feel threatened every time somebody disagrees with them.  It is a sign of intellectual insecurity to attempt to shut up anything you cannot understand or overcome.

I'm sorry, is this not your first day on the forum?



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Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 1:31pm
Originally posted by Mishmish Mishmish wrote:

Originally posted by Torrencedelay Torrencedelay wrote:

What this site needs is some educated monitors who do not feel threatened every time somebody disagrees with them.� It is a sign of intellectual�insecurity to attempt to shut up anything you cannot understand or overcome.


I'm sorry, is this not your first day on the forum?


no its his. second....I mean thrid ID.
be carfeful now, you dont wanna get banned again, do you?


Posted By: -ArabianKnight-
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 1:33pm

 

Lameeese was right...

I miss the good Ol days.. when people didnt close topics... and when Nausheen was Moderator and a Few other Notables.. She was sensible.. compared to the trigger happy people of the modern era.

I give this topic about few more posts before it Too is shut-down.. hahah.. .. but because I say that.. the Moderators will try to prove me wrong and let it stay open.. hmm.. a conundrum indeed..



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Posted By: Torrencedelay
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 1:35pm
As I said elsewhere, you need some educated people here to monitor the site - people unafraid of a little intellectual give and take.  But that will probably be hard to find, given the character and quality of the people who frequent this site.

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Posted By: -ArabianKnight-
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 1:41pm

People are often not afraid of intellectualism.. its just that they see things in Black and White.. and its never black and white.. The world is Grey.. Orange and fuchsia!.

People are emotional, and that leads to favoritism... its an "Islamic Forum" so who do you think will be favored... Those who toe the line... a modern-day Rumi.. Plato.. or Galileo wont be tollerated here.



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Posted By: Torrencedelay
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 1:48pm

Well, it appears that Muslims and their bedfellows are obviously the little pets - none of the monitors would survive on a site that required any depth of character - or an ability for critical thinking.

I wonder how quickly they can delete this?



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Posted By: -ArabianKnight-
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 2:01pm

Eh.. it will all blow over eventually.. They cant stifle new ideas for-ever.... The moderators are almost child-like... whatever doesnt fit in their little understanding gets cast aside...



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Posted By: qurnain
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 2:06pm

Let me tell you about the story of Buddah which may help you to understand peace perhaps. Lets say I'm optimistic...

Buddha arrived in a village preaching the message of peace and tolerance. A young man in the village was outraged that such a man the same age as him should be showered with such welcome. Buddah noticed this young man and his anger for three days and than on the third day went over to him to have a chat.

Buddah asked the young man; "if you had a great gift to give to someone and they refused to take it, what would you do with your gift. The young man, very impetiously replied, "I will keep it". Buddah than replied, that the gift the young man was giving to Buddah was his "anger" and the Buddha refuses to take it.

If you are an intellectual and understand this, than perhaps consider at least the injustice you do to yourself by being such an angry person.



Posted By: Torrencedelay
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 2:14pm
Buddha is dust.  Anyway, whatever would make one honor the words of a person whose highest goal was nothingness.

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Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 2:18pm
Originally posted by Torrencedelay Torrencedelay wrote:

Buddha is dust.� Anyway, whatever would make one honor the words of a person whose highest goal was nothingness.


how typical christ-like behaviour


Posted By: Torrencedelay
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 2:31pm
akmf - you wouldn't know Christlike behavior if it came up and hit you in the burka.

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Posted By: qurnain
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 2:53pm
Torrencedelay - you really got a grip on your temper. I thought you wanted an intellectual debate. Somehow, you have indulged in yourslef a little too much - as with most people indulging these days-and you have no control on your behaviour. I could say alot more, but if you fail to recognise a metaphor, a word of wisdom than truley you are hitting some serious darkness - I can only pray for your soul. after all it is like any other soul that was created with a great potential in mind. 


Posted By: -ArabianKnight-
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 3:05pm
Perhaps you're right .. With the Buddah STory...

Though One day.. I still believe This forum might be different.

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Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 3:06pm
Originally posted by -ArabianKnight- -ArabianKnight- wrote:

I still believe This forum might be different.


In what way?


Posted By: Torrencedelay
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 3:18pm
Free Speech!  That's what way!

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Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 3:22pm
Originally posted by Torrencedelay Torrencedelay wrote:

Free Speech!� That's what way!

discussion in this forum is a privilege and not a right.

if you start paying for it then it becomes your right, then you can implement your "freedom if speech".


Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 7:34pm

Originally posted by -ArabianKnight- -ArabianKnight- wrote:

Perhaps you're right .. With the Buddah STory...

Though One day.. I still believe This forum might be different.

me too

I think we are just a couple of wishful thinkers



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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 7:37pm
hey Torrence, I'm in shock  40 post in a day or less, no one does that.

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Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 7:48pm
Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

hey Torrence, I'm in shock �40 post in a day or less, no one does that.


yea and no one gets banned on the first day too


Posted By: qurnain
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 4:28am
Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Originally posted by -ArabianKnight- -ArabianKnight- wrote:

Perhaps you're right .. With the Buddah STory...

Though One day.. I still believe This forum might be different.

me too

I think we are just a couple of wishful thinkers

 

What you have to understand is that "we are all individuals and the path to The One are as many as the individuals". So to understand each other we have to have a protocol (you know like two different software being able to communicate with each other). We are all made up of some very sophisticated hardware and software, how we adapt to other hardware/software (the individual) requires a protocol. The word "freedom" can be ambiguous is a world where we have to be pragmatic/or result orietated.

We all want to have a good living, be recognised for what we do, recognised for our intellegent choices, loved, have enough means etc etc. Thats a good start with having the freedom to say what you want to people. The problem is that if we want respect, we have to give respect. If we want freedom we have to give freedom....In the case of this site perhaps we have to respect the site's code of behaviour, after all we are its guests. So therefore there is a relationship being struck with the site. Host and Guest and You wouldn't want a guest coming into your home and shouting abuse and saying "its in the name of freedom".

Enough said. I am pleased to have met you and your attiude has  allowed me to understand myself. I thank you for this.

Peace 



Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 28 April 2006 at 6:04am

Bismillah,

Originally posted by -ArabianKnight- -ArabianKnight- wrote:

Eh.. it will all blow over eventually.. They cant stifle new ideas for-ever.... The moderators are almost child-like... whatever doesnt fit in their little understanding gets cast aside...

Stop insulting the responsible, hardworking moderators.  First of all, they are our brothers and sisters in Islaam.  Have respect for that basic fact.  Secondly, they have taken on a job which we should be grateful they are doing.  Your attitude is childish, not theirs, and you should stop insulting them and just make your own site if you don't like the rules in this one.  Send out invitations and maybe some people will join you.



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: -ArabianKnight-
Date Posted: 28 April 2006 at 11:36am
wow.. it took you a long while to answer this one.. this is almost old news....

When the moderators stop being heavy handed.. no one really complains... Actually I'm pleasently suprised they havnt closed a thread in a week or so.. Maybe they're changing... or maybe they're just banning people alot quicker..

And just out of curiosity Herjihad.. what job is it that they're doing?... Protecting us from the boogiemen of the internet?

Ps. I do have my "own Site".. and I am a moderator.. I know how tough it is.. but I also know how not to loose my objectivity.

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Posted By: mariyah
Date Posted: 29 April 2006 at 12:51am
Originally posted by Nausheen Nausheen wrote:

Originally posted by delight delight wrote:


When you ban me from INTRA faith forum without giving any reason,it does concern me.I don't know what you mean by Inter faith forum.I never complained about that.

Intrafaith forum is strictly for islamic discussions. We cannot allow secular and non-islamic discussions on all forums, thus members shall be allowed access selectively.

There are several forums open for you, please confine your discussions to those.

Thank you,

Nausheen

Bismallah:

Intrafaith is what I call the Da'wa channel! No reason to become offended! Insha'allah I will leave that for the more experiences posters and moderators and there is plenty available elsewhere in the forum for other topics! Please brs and srs, don't become inflamed because you can't play there! NO one is out to get you!

135. O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well- acquainted with all that ye do.



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Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 29 April 2006 at 6:02am

Bismillah,

Originally posted by -ArabianKnight- -ArabianKnight- wrote:

wow.. it took you a long while to answer this one.. this is almost old news....

When the moderators stop being heavy handed.. no one really complains... Actually I'm pleasently suprised they havnt closed a thread in a week or so.. Maybe they're changing... or maybe they're just banning people alot quicker..

And just out of curiosity Herjihad.. what job is it that they're doing?... Protecting us from the boogiemen of the internet?

Ps. I do have my "own Site".. and I am a moderator.. I know how tough it is.. but I also know how not to loose my objectivity.

Bismillah,

The moderators here edit and delete portions of posts, full posts, and users according to the guidelines that Islamicity has for us.  Why are there rules?  Hmmm.  Because there are?  Because we like to come to a place that is not littered with porno and swearing and personal or general attacks on Muslims because we live with that everywhere else.

I reiterate my request to everyone to stop attacking our moderators with personal insults.  Disagree with them all you want, but don't get insulting or rude.  We all lose our heads, but if you can't think of changing some thoughtless comments before you click the "Post Reply" button, you can edit your comment before anyone has seen it.  You can preview it to make sure it sounds fine.  You can apologize for rudeness even when you didn't mean it.  It 's okay.  Really.  Real men DO apologize.



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 01 May 2006 at 4:51pm

Originally posted by -ArabianKnight- -ArabianKnight- wrote:

wow.. it took you a long while to answer this one.. this is almost old news....

When the moderators stop being heavy handed.. no one really complains... Actually I'm pleasently suprised they havnt closed a thread in a week or so.. Maybe they're changing... or maybe they're just banning people alot quicker..

And just out of curiosity Herjihad.. what job is it that they're doing?... Protecting us from the boogiemen of the internet?

Ps. I do have my "own Site".. and I am a moderator.. I know how tough it is.. but I also know how not to loose my objectivity.

Assalam Aleikum.

I am also a moderator at another site (I do not own my own site), and I always maintain objectivity. I have found that many of the participants on the net simply read the discussions, and many have thoughts about converting to Islam. When a moderator starts to stack cards in favor of a particular faith, it becomes very transparent to the readers, and the forum can loose its intellectual credibilty on the net. May I ask you what site you run Br?  



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Posted By: -ArabianKnight-
Date Posted: 02 May 2006 at 4:56am
Originally posted by herjihad herjihad wrote:

The moderators here edit and delete portions of posts, full posts, and users according to the guidelines that Islamicity has for us.  Why are there rules?  Hmmm.  Because there are? 

I reiterate my request to everyone to stop attacking our moderators with personal insults.  Disagree with them all you want, but don't get insulting or rude.  We all lose our heads, but if you can't think of changing some thoughtless comments before you click the "Post Reply" button, you can edit your comment before anyone has seen it.  You can preview it to make sure it sounds fine.  You can apologize for rudeness even when you didn't mean it.  It 's okay.  Really.  Real men DO apologize.



There are rules because there are?... wow... ... SO i bet There are apples because there are Oranges!

The moderators dont get attacked untill they do somthing to warrent it. When the moderators start acting out of their own personal feelings then there is a problem.. When a certain new moderator came to power - there were like 30 locked posts in matter of days. That is a little excessive. And I will call them out on it every time.

but of course you have nothing to fear herjihad.. you're their cheer-leader... i doubt you'd ever be moderated... The most annoying thing that moderators do, is play favorites on this forum. Just beacause somone is Muslim shouldnt be the reason that he/she is give more latitude compared to somone who is not.. or is ambiguous. and dont tell me it doesnt happen.. because I see it all the time... and i'm sure people will back me up on this. Islam is about alot of things.. one is being fair. Not just to your own, but everyone. And like Andalus said.. this place will loose intellectual credibility..


Originally posted by herjihad herjihad wrote:

Because we like to come to a place that is not littered with porno and swearing and personal or general attacks on Muslims because we live with that everywhere else.


This place shouldnt be a sanctuary... here no-evil, See no evil, speak no evil never helped anyone... in the long term. Some things need to be moderated.. yes.. I wouldnt want porn on this place either. But we're not talking about Porn.. now are we?...

There is an obviouse difference between personal attacks and genuine criticism. Most people can draw the distinction... somtimes when it involves religion emotions cause the line to be blurred. Everything is allowed to be critisized and debated... that is the point of free-will.

And just because somone slaps a Muslim sticker on somthing or somone doesnt give it a right from being critisized, stop pretending as if it Does. This isnt middle-ages christianity here...

PS. REAL MEN DOnt roll over and die.. or somthing like that... Use your Imagination.. But i Will say this.. latly the Moderators are doing a good job.. except for maybe that thread about the Mormons...  but they dont need my approval. They can incriminate them selves with their actions.



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Posted By: -ArabianKnight-
Date Posted: 02 May 2006 at 5:16am

Andalus, I "moderate" "the pond"...from across the pond.... hah..  its not a muslim Forum... just so you know.



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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 02 May 2006 at 7:27am
 yay for ArabianKnight

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Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 02 May 2006 at 7:55am

Bismillah,

The moderators dont get attacked untill they do somthing to warrent it.

Let's not attack them, especially personally.  Let's point out our differences as we do with each other, politely.

i doubt you'd ever be moderated...

Of course I have been and will be.

There is a whole wide world out there where you can do and say practically anything you want.  Why do you insist on changing the rules other people have made on this one forum, especially since you have your own that you moderate?  And if you want to change the rules here, why don't you start a post directed at that objective?

I'd like to have a liberals section for "moderate" Muslims to discuss things.  They denied this request especially since they said there is no such thing as a liberal Muslim et cetera.  I am looking for a forum such as that to join.  Do you know of one?

I found Across the Pond, but no Pond subblog.

Peace



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: -ArabianKnight-
Date Posted: 02 May 2006 at 9:55am
Good Idea Her-Jihad.. I'm going to do it..

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Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 02 May 2006 at 10:57am

ArabianKnight wrote:

There is an obviouse difference between personal attacks and genuine criticism. Most people can draw the distinction... somtimes when it involves religion emotions cause the line to be blurred. Everything is allowed to be critisized and debated... that is the point of free-will.

Yes, there is a difference, especially to the person the remarks are directed toward. The Moderators on the forum get PMs and private complaint messages every single day, usually from someone that feels they are being insulted, or they find the material offensive.

Just because you don't find something offensive doesn't mean that 50 other people don't. If we truly Edited or Deleted everything everyone wanted us to we really would be censoring everything.

Perhaps the majority of posters here are more sensitive because they want a more Islamic environment. That is what this forum is supposed to be. If this is not what you are looking for, there are plenty of other venues on the internet that will allow you to post anything you choose.

 

 

 



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