Do not respond to Jazz
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Topic: Do not respond to Jazz
Posted By: Tasneem
Subject: Do not respond to Jazz
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 7:22pm
Replies:
Posted By: Ason
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 7:32pm
notify the mods
let him be banned
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Posted By: Jazz
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 3:41am
Tasneem wrote:
Peace to all who are here to share their knowledge of Islam and to those who are genuinely interested in learning about Islam.
I have just read some of the threads on this forum and in particular
those posted by "Jazz". This person - Jazz has at times claimed that he
does not belong to any religion and yet again you will find that he is
very supportive of Christian beliefs. |
Dear Tasneem,
Reading between the lines of what you are saying here, you seem to
be implying that I am lying........would you be more specific and
clearly point-out where this might be evident?
What makes you think I am "very supportive of Christian beliefs"?
I think much of the christian beliefs are based on people twisting and/or mis-interpreting what Jesus was ACTUALLY saying.
I think christian zealots have attempted to link Jesus to the Torah,
claiming all these fantastic things, but I don't believe that Jesus
claimed any of this himself.
Would you like to discuss this?
Tasneem wrote:
It seems that Jazz is highly committed to
demonising Islam, driving away anyone who have any interest in Islam
and to weaken the faith of the believers. |
Dear Tasneem,
I have posted direct quotes from Quran and Ahadith, giving in most
cases links to my sources which are recognized and accepted as
authoritative Islamic web-sites...............islam "demonizes" itself.
Whether or not people are driven away is yet to be
determined.......whether or not believers' faith is weakened or not is
nothing to do with me, it is to do with their own condition or state of
mind.
Tasneem wrote:
There are others who are also trying to
strengthen Jazz's crusade by even completely denouncing the existence
of God. In the past I too have answered to some of Jazz' challenges and
he has shut up. But I notice that he constantly brings up new issues
with the very obvious intention of demonisng Islam. This person may
appear under different names, one could be "Silas". It would be
best not to respond to him/her and a request to the moderators -
it would be in the interest of Islamicity not to allow this person
such a free reign. |
Tasneem,
To start with, you haven't even established that I am on a "crusade"
as you put it, yet you proceed to build your condemnation of me based
merely on a suspicion that you harbour.
What have you said that has caused me to "shut-up"?.......I am happy
to respond to your views, comments, opinion and arguments.........it is
possible for me to not like what you have to say, but I have no desire
to call for you or anyone else to be silenced by way of boycott,
censorship or banning............what are you afraid of?
No Tasneem, I am not using any more than one user-name..........only "Jazz"
I don't know anyone here on the forum, nor am I with a team of people...........your suspicions are wrong.
I do have a genuine interest to lean about Islam, about people who call
themselves muslim...........but I do so my way, not necessarily your
way or to your liking.
Why should your being offended be more important than my being offended?
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Posted By: Dayem
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 4:46am
HELL!!I just posted a reply to Jazz, meaning, wasted 30 mins!!
JAZZ:
What makes you think I am "very supportive of Christian beliefs"?
But I agree with tasneem, any fool with two eyes will realize that aftr reading ur replies.
"I have posted direct quotes from Quran and Ahadith, giving in most cases links to my sources which are recognized and accepted as authoritative Islamic web-sites...............islam "demonizes" itself."
What bout the answers??Dosnt these logical answer give u something to think about?
(Ah, 5 more mins wasted).
------------- "the mooslims! they're heeere!"
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Posted By: Jazz
Date Posted: 16 September 2005 at 9:12pm
Dayem wrote:
HELL!!I just posted a reply to Jazz, meaning, wasted 30 mins!!
JAZZ:
What makes you think I am "very supportive of Christian beliefs"?
But I agree with tasneem, any fool with two eyes will realize that aftr reading ur replies. |
For example?
Btw, According to Mohammed, Allah was supportive of popular christian beliefs, in fact more than I.
Not that his account of what was said by Jesus was the same as the
accounts of those who ACTUALLY were companions of Jesus, but
nevertheless supportive to some degree.
I think that many christian beliefs are based on invented stories of
Jesus and I also think that much of Mohammed's beliefs are based these
invented stories..........I don't think that many christians or
Mohammed really understand what Jesus was REALLY saying and teaching,
this is plain to see, when one compares the guidances of Mohammed and
Jesus..........Jesus guided people to love, forgive and be merciful,
clearly abrogating the inhumane "laws" of the Torah, whereas Mohammed's
"revelations" from Allah reverted back to the old Toric inhumane "laws"
- virtually going against the guidances of Jesus.
You see Dayen, I don't believe in the christian beliefs that Jesus
was the only son of God, nor that he is God, nor that his mother had a
virgin pregnancy, nor that he walked on water, nor that he rose from
the dead, nor that he claimed to be a Jew, nor that he claimed to be a
prophet, nor that he claimed to be the messiah.
Are you clear on this now?
Quran:
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=1320 - The Cow
- [2.87] And most certainly We gave Musa the Book and We sent apostles after him one after another; and We gave Isa,
the son of Marium, clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy
spirit, What! whenever then an apostle came to you with that which your
souls did not desire, you were insolent so you called some liars and
some you slew.
- [2.136] Say: We believe in Allah and (in)
that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to
Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that
which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given
to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between
any of them, and to Him do we submit.
- [2.253] We have
made some of these apostles to excel the others among them are they to
whom Allah spoke, and some of them He exalted by (many degrees of)
rank; and We gave clear miracles to Isa son of Marium, and
strengthened him with the holy spirit. And if Allah had pleased, those
after them would not have fought one with another after clear arguments
had come to them, but they disagreed; so there were some of them who
believed and others who denied; and if Allah had pleased they would not
have fought one with another, but Allah brings about what He intends.
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=72808 - The Family of Imran
- [3.45] When the angels said: O Marium, surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose name is the '. Messiah, Isa son of Marium, worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to Allah).
- [3.52] But when Isa
perceived unbelief on their part, he said Who will be my helpers in
Allah's way? The disciples said: We are helpers (in the way) of Allah:
We believe in Allah and bear witness that we are submitting ones.
- [3.55] And when Allah said: O Isa,
I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause
you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make
those who follow you above those who disbelieve to the day of
resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, so l will decide between
you concerning that in which you differed.
- [3.59] Surely the likeness of Isa is with Allah as the likeness of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, Be, and he was.
- [3.84]
Say: We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us, and what was
revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and
what was given to Musa and Isa and to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=114839 - The Women
- [4.157] And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa)
and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it;
they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and
they killed him not for sure.
- [4.159] And there is not
one of the followers of the Book but most certainly believes in this
before his death, and on the day of resurrection he (Isa) shall be a
witness against them.
- [4.163] Surely We have revealed to
you as We revealed to Nuh, and the prophets after him, and We revealed
to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and Isa and Ayub and Yunus and Haroun and Sulaiman and We gave to Dawood
- [4.171]
O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and
do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa
son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He
communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in
Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for
you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should
have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is
His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=158021 - The Dinner Table
- [5.46] And We sent after them in their footsteps Isa,
son of Marium, verifying what was before him of the Taurat and We gave
him the Injeel in which was guidance and light, and verifying what was
before it of Taurat and a guidance and an admonition for those who
guard (against evil).
- [5.78] Those who disbelieved from among the children of Israel were cursed by the tongue of Dawood and Isa, son of Marium; this was because they disobeyed and used to exceed the limit.
- [5.110] When Allah will say: O Isa
son of Marium! Remember My favor on you and on your mother, when I
strengthened you I with the holy Spirit, you spoke to the people in the
cradle and I when of old age, and when I taught you the Book and the
wisdom and the Taurat and the Injeel; and when you determined out of
clay a thing like the form of a bird by My permission, then you
breathed into it and it became a bird by My permission, and you healed
the blind and the leprous by My permission; and when you brought forth
the dead by My permission; and when I withheld the children of Israel
from you when you came to them with clear arguments, but those who
disbelieved among them said: This is nothing but clear enchantment.
- [5.112] When the disciples said: O Isa
son of Marium! will your Lord consent to send down to us food from
heaven? He said: Be careful of (your duty to) Allah if you are
believers.
- [5.114] Isa the son of Marium said: O
Allah, our Lord! send i down to us food from heaven which should be to
us an ever-recurring happiness, to the first of us and to the last of
us, and a sign from Thee, and grant us means of subsistence, and Thou
art the best of the Providers.
- [5.116] And when Allah will say: O Isa
son of Marium! did you say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods
besides Allah he will say: Glory be to Thee, it did not befit me that I
should say what I had no right to (say); if I had said it, Thou wouldst
indeed have known it; Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I do not
know what is in Thy mind, surely Thou art the great Knower of the
unseen things.
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=190943 - The Cattle
- [6.85] And Zakariya and Yahya and Isa and Ilyas; every one was of the good;
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=468143 - Marium
- [19.34] Such is Isa, son of Marium; (this is) the saying of truth about which they dispute.
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=650389 - The Clans
- [33.7] And when We made a covenant with the prophets and with you, and with Nuh and Ibrahim and Musa and Isa, son of Marium, and We made with them a strong covenant
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=757449 - The Counsel
- [42.13]
He has made plain to you of the religion what He enjoined upon Nuh and
that which We have revealed to you and that which We enjoined upon
Ibrahim and Musa and Isa that keep to obedience and be not
divided therein; hard to the unbelievers is that which you call them
to; Allah chooses for Himself whom He pleases, and guides to Himself
him who turns (to Him), frequently.
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=767330 - Ornaments of Gold
- [43.63] And when Isa
came with clear arguments he said: I have come to you indeed with
wisdom, and that I may make clear to you part of what you differ in; so
be careful of (your duty to) Allah and obey me:
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=852181 - The Iron
- [57.27] Then We made Our apostles to follow in their footsteps, and We sent Isa
son of Marium afterwards, and We gave him the Injeel, and We put in the
hearts of those who followed him kindness and mercy; and (as for)
monkery, they innovated it-- We did not prescribe it to them-- only to
seek Allah's pleasure, but they did not observe it with its due
observance; so We gave to those of them who believed their reward, and
most of them are transgressors.
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=874756 - The Ranks
- [61.6] And when Isa
son of Marium said: O children of Israel! surely I am the apostle of
Allah to you, verifying that which is before me of the Taurat and
giving the good news of an Apostle who will come after me, his name
being Ahmad, but when he came to them with clear arguments they said:
This is clear magic.
- [61.14] O you who believe! be helpers (in the cause) of Allah, as~ Isa
son of Marium said to (his) disciples: Who are my helpers in the cause
of Allah? The disciples said: We are helpers (in the cause) of Allah.
So a party of the children of Israel believed and another party
disbelieved; then We aided those who believed against their enemy, and
they became uppermost.
Dayem wrote:
"I have posted direct quotes from Quran and Ahadith,
giving in most cases links to my sources which are recognized and
accepted as authoritative Islamic web-sites...............islam
"demonizes" itself."
What bout the answers??Dosnt these logical answer give u something to think about?
(Ah, 5 more mins wasted). | Dear Dayem,
Best advice I can offer is to don't waste your time, if you feel it is
being wasted...........you have answers to your post(s), if you wish to
read it/them.
Do you know what ad hominem means?
If you do, would you kindly argue or discuss the subject-matter, rather than go off on a tangent using ad hominem tactics?
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