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Posted By: IssaEl999
Subject: Question If I May
Date Posted: 10 March 2011 at 8:52am
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Does The Qur'aan Tell The Muslims To Read The Christian Bible ? ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
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Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 11 March 2011 at 11:58am
No. The Quran came to confirm the truth of the previous revelations and refute the falsehood which had been added to it by humans. The Quran and the Sunnah are our sources for all things, not the Bible. ------------- Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162) |
IssaEl999 wrote:Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 11 March 2011 at 1:53pm
As Salaaamu Alaykum - Islamispeace , Are You Sure ? ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 12 March 2011 at 1:50pm
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Allah has repeatedly told us in His words that He does not lie . Therefore , we can trust Him . Allah and His words are one . Would a true believer dare to question the truthfulness and faithfulness of Allah ? Everytime the words Allahu Akbar ( Allah ) is Most Magnifcent ) are repeated , we affirm that Allah is not only greater than men , but that He is also different from men Human beings lie ; Allah never lies . He never has and He never will . Allah has communicated with man since the time before the Prophet Adam was cast out of the Garden . He has revealed His will and His purpose through the Prophet and the Scriptures . To the Prophet / Apostle Moses , He gave the Torah - At Tawraah );
Al Qur'aan ( The Koran ) 114 Books Of Ahmad ( The Prophet / Apostle Muhammad 5 ; 44 In Part Revealed 625 - 629 A.D. '' Surely we ( Allah And His Angelic Beings ) sent down The Toran in which is true guidance and light . Al Qur'aan ( The Koran ) 114 Books Of Ahmad ( The Prophet / Apostle Muhammad 6 ; 154 In Part Revealed 621 A.D. '' Then we ( Allah And His Angelic Beings ) gave Moses the Scripture ( Torah ) A complete law upon him who does what's Best and it ( The Torah ) . is detailing everything ( Given Us All The Laws ) . Al Qur'aan ( The Koran ) 114 Books Of Ahmad ( The Prophet / Apostle Muhammad 11 ; 17 Revealed 622 A.D. Is he ( Those Who Conceal What They Know To Be The Truth ) To be cassified as am equal with him who has clear proof from his Sustainer ( Allah ) And a witness from it ( Al Qur'aan ) Recites it and from before it ( Al Qur'aan ) Was a Scriptures of Moses ( The Torah ) As an example and a yielding mercy ( That We Are To Use The Torah As An Example ) These are they who have faith by way of it ( The Torah ) And As To Him Who Conceals What He Know To Be True from the clan so they are promised an appointment with the fire . So Muhammad don't you have any doubt about ( The Scriptures ) For surely it ( Al Qur'aan ) Is A Fact Beyond Any Doubt and from your ( Muhammad ) Sustainer , But most of the people don't have true faith . . The Prophet / Apostle Moses received 613 commandments , not 10 , as it is taught , If you do not believe me , you can refer to the book of '' Jewish Knowldge '' , it says that the 613 Commandments , and Ordinances were of the Rabbinic Sages . These ordinances contained the laws of sanctity and the Ceremony of the Priesthood . The Prophet / Apostle Moses also recorded the terms of the covenants made with the Prophet before him , such as the Prophet Adam , The Prophet / Apostle Noah , The Prophet / Apostle Moses Abraham , The Prophet / Apostle Ishmael , The Prophet / Apostle Isaac , and Jacob . He recorded the spiritual meaning of the Covenant Allah made eith Israel ( twelve tribes ) . The Prophet / Apostle Ishmael ( 1992 - 1855 B.C.E. ) Received the covenant of '' The '' Flesh '' Circumsion / The Prophet / Apostle Issa ( 1978 - 1798 B.C.E. ) Received the The Covenant Of The Promise '' Prophethood . Jacob ( Israel ) In The Book Of Genesis , Jacob Spoke Of A Prophet Who Would Rise Up From The Midst Of His Brethren And Who Would Be Like The Prophet / Apostle Moses . More In Next Post ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 12 March 2011 at 2:37pm
Walaikum as-salaam. Yes, I am 100% sure. Why would Allah (swt) want us to read the Bible which states that He is a trinity and that the prophet Lot (pbuh) had sex with his daughters? As I said, the Quran and Sunnah are our sources, not the Bible. ------------- Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162) |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 12 March 2011 at 5:55pm
As Salaaamu Alaykum - Islamispeace
According To The Above Post Allah Most Ghorified And Exalted Says You Should , According To Bukhari (64 ) Narrated Muhammad Had Sex With Aisha Bint Abu Bakr , So What Your Point With Lot . My Question Was About Muslims Reading The Bible Not Who Had Sex With Who .
------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 12 March 2011 at 6:03pm
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Another Question For You If I May . Islamispeace . Why Do Muslims Call Allahu Subhaanahu Wa Ta ' Ala ( God ) ? ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 14 March 2011 at 7:39am
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Hello IssaE999
A day before, was posting for you about muslims reading bible, for about half an hour. But then there was something wrong with my UPS and b.cos of power failure all that i typed was lost. I had to say, "Inna lillahi wainna ilaihi rajioon". Anyways, to write back again I thought you shall present 10:94 part of the Qur'an, which of the christians missionaries present as proof that muslims are permitted to study Bible and Torah. Anyways, Islam does n't permit us to study those revealed Books and to believe in it. There are many ayaat in Qur'an which state that those Books were distorted and altered. We muslims are to follow the Final Book {word of Allah i.e Qur'an} FOR GUIDANCE. Am sorry that i cud not share the reference to you from Qur'an right now, but if you wish, surely shall share it to you} On the whole we muslims are not allowed to study or refer these Books {Torah and Injeel} for the purpose of guidance. But few scholars allow to refer these books for dawah purposes. That is, the easiest way to prove a point to a person who believes in the Bible is to make reference to the Bible. ------------- Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent." |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 14 March 2011 at 8:24am
As Salaaamu Alaykum -seekshidayath
With All Do Respect The Qur'aan Is The Words Of Allah Most Glorified And Exalted And Not Socalled Christians Missionaries / Theologian / Religion Scholar Etc Etc .
Muslims ignore the fact that throughtout the Qur'aan , it keeps referring back to the previous Scriptures . It makes reference to As Suhuf ( the Pure Page ) [ Al Qur'aan 80 ; 13 , 98 ; 21 ] , Al Hikmah ( the Wisdom ) [ Al Qur'aan 3 ; 48 ] , At Tawraah ( the Torah ) [ Al Qur'aan 3 ; 3 , 48 , 5 ; 46 , 68 ] , Al Injil ( the Evangel , Revealation ) [ Al Qur'aan 3 ; 38 , 48 , 5 ; 46 , 47 , 68 ; 57 ; 27 ] . and the Books or Scriptures sent to the Prophets .
1 . The Suhuf - Arabic - [ 100 ] The Pages ) .. a . 10 page called '' The Book of Life - Arabic - Kitaabul Hayaah ) , received by the Prophet Adam ( 4026 - 3096 B.C.E. ) in East of Eden in the year 3126 B.C.E. b . 50 pages called The Book of Sin - Arabic , Kitaabul Ithm ) , received by the Prophet / Apostle Seth ( 3896 - 2984 B.C.E. ) in East of Eden ( Mecca ) in the year 3776 B.C.E. c . 30 pages called The Book of Time - Arabic - Kitaabul Saa'ah ) received by the Prophet / Apostle Enoch ( 3404 - 3039 B.C.E. ) in East of Eden ( Mecca ) in the year ( 3284 B,C.E. ) d . 10 pages called The Book of Generation - Arabic - Kitaabul Milaad ) , received by the Prophet / Apostle Abraham ( 2078 - 1903 B.C.E. ) in the land of Canaan in the year 1958 B.C.E. 2 . Al Hikmah - Arabic - The Wisdom 19 books received by the Prophet Luqmaan [ Leummim ] ( 1791 - 1671 B.C.E. ) in the Sinai Desert , in the year 1671 B.C.E. 3 . At Tawraah - Arabic - The Torah ) also called the Pentateuch ] 5 book received by the Prophet / Apostle Moses ( 1593 - 1473 B.C.E. ) and his brother , the Prophet Aaron ( 1596 - 1473 B.C.E. between the years ( 1512 - 1473 B.C.E. ) ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 14 March 2011 at 4:02pm
Walaikum as-salaam.
None of this proves that we are supposed to read the Bible alongside the Quran. As I said, the Quran came to confirm the truth of the previous revelations but to also refute the falsehoods that had been added to them. There are many instances where the Bible flat-out contradicts the Quran. The Quran is the Criterion by which we judge everything, including the Bible. If something in the Bible agrees with the Quran, then we can accept it. But if something contradicts it, we reject it. Those things in the Bible which the Quran does not comment on, we should remain neutral on. But what is clear is that there is no reason for us to read the Bible for guidance. Why would Allah have sent the Quran in the first place if the Bible was sufficient? You need to ponder on this question before jumping to conclusions. The Quran and Sunnah are our sources, not the Bible. To contradict that is to reject the message of Islam.
How does this compare to Lot having sex with his daughters? I pointed to this to illustrate an example of how the Bible contradicts the Quran. The Quran denies that prophets would commit such lewd and abhorrent acts. This is a reason why we do not rely on the Bible. We rely on the Quran. You also ignored the first part of my response. Why would Allah (swt) want us to read the Bible if it makes the claim that He is a trinity, something He Himself denies in the Quran? "They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them." (5:73) If you want to get the whole message of the Quran, you need to stop quoting random verses out of context and consider the whole message. When you do that, you will realize that there is no command from Allah (swt) to read the Bible.
The phrase "Subhaanahu Wa Ta ' Ala" means "May He be Glorified and Exalted". By saying this, we praise our Lord and Creator, may He be Glorified and Exalted. ------------- Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162) |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 14 March 2011 at 7:32pm
As Salaaamu Alaykum Islamispeace
The Post Above This One Is Conformation That Muslims Are To Read The Scriptures Before The Qur'aan By You Trying To Change My Question Useing Lot / Trinty Doesn't Change Anything . Your First Mistake Is Assumeing I Accept The Trinity / Or Who Sleep With Who , You Still Haven't Answer The Question; Why Do Muslims Call Allahu Subhaanahu Wa Ta ' Ala ( God )? ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 1:05pm
Walaikum as-salaam. I never said that you accept the trinity or other beliefs. I was pointing out that these beliefs are present in the Bible. Since they are refuted by the Quran, there is no logical reason for Muslims to read the Bible as scripture. As I said, the Quran came to confirm the original message of the previous scriptures, and to refute the falsehood that had been added to it (whether simply in terms of interpretation or actual physical additions). I also answered your question about why we say "May He be Glorified and Exalted". This phrase serves to glorify and praise our Lord and Creator. It is just like God "Almighty" or some other phrase of praise. ------------- Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162) |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 1:36pm
The word '' God '' among '' English '' - speaking people is considered to be the name for the '' Supreme Being '' in the Universe , yet according to the English dictionary , ( Webster ) a '' Being '' is '' Any Living Thing Or Person '' . Allah is definitely more than just a '' Thing '' . Allah can neither be a '' Supreme Person , '' for a person is identified by a physcial body . Those who believe that the Creator took shape in a body must also believe that Scientists , mere men , have complete Knowledge of the Nature of the Universe and the answer to the final WHY ( WHY / is why w, why ) .
This is plain stupodity . This is to say that since the Scientist , through Research and Experimentation , has learn the Human Body as far as knowing the number of Bones and Cells and Heartbeats Per Minute and the Composition of the Brain , Etc , One would say that things which seem wonderous and Unexplainable are now brought down to a level of Explanation . Therefore one would be inclinded to assume that they ( Scientists ) have complete Knowledge of these things , more so than any other Individual . Yet , that Scientists ( Man ) has Blood . If exposed to the degree of Heat , His Blood would Boil and therefore immobillize his Body .
If exposed to Extreme Pain , It may become too Unbearable for his Sense and the Body may become Dead to all Sensation - whether it is a state of Shock or Death . Not only are These things evidence of the Impossiblity of the Creator being a '' Person '' but a person could be Stabbed or Shot , or Run Over , in short , a person could be Wounded or Killed . So , you see , No Man has the final answer , and the idea of the Creator of All having a Flesh and Bone Body is perfectly ridiculous ; how can he have Created the Extreme Heat or the Sun without it destroying Him in the procees ? Think About That . The Belief that Allah , Or the Creator Of All Life , can do anything is also incorrect .
There is one thing that the Creator Cannot Do ; That may Sound Very Strange , But That One Thing Is ; The Ability To Regress .Allah Cannot Become Less Than Himself . Otherwise He Would No Longer Be Allah . Man is the image and the likeness of Allah without the Divine Qualities . If anything was taken out of the all , It would no longer be the all . something ( that which was removed ) would be missing . Let us take a look at word , e.g Pear . Changr the small p . to a capital P . This does not change the meaning of the word , or give it any Divine Qualities , or make it an object of Worship .... the same goes for the word '' god '' The word '' god '' with a lower case '' g '' is the exact same word with a upper case '' G'' A '' G '' is still a '' g '' and a God is still a god , which is still Polytheism . If you believe that your Creator is All Powerful , and nothing can be compared to Him , why do you insist upon calling Him by a name that could be applied to anything ; Man and / or Woman and / or Animal and / or object ?
It is obvious that most '' Moslems / Muslims or whatever titles they use to call themselves , have accept the Fallacy that '' God is the English '' Equivalent '' of Allah . There Is No Such Thing As An Equivalent To Allah !! Take A Good Look At Your Qur'an .
Holy Qur'an 112 ; 1 - 4 , And I Quote ; Muhammad Tell Them The Meccans Allah Is The Source , < Ahad > Who Is Alone . The Source , Allah Needs Nothing , Foe He Is < Al Samad > Has No Deficiencies . ( Neither Mother Nor Father Has He , And ) He Was Not Conceived ( By A Sexual Intercourse Of Any Two Mortal Beings ) ; Nor Did He Conceive ( An Individual Mortal < Walad > Son ) . And No One Is < Kufuwaan > Equal To Him .
Furthermore , we know this to be a Fallacy because of the fact that Allah , the name of the '' One Who Gives Us Life '' , is the same in all Languages . This word cannot , and need not , be Translated . '' The Breath Of Life '' is the same in any Languages , Our very Breath tells us whom we should give thanks to , simply because with every Breath we involuntarilly say '' Allah '' the name of '' He Who Gives Life .
Holy Quran 2 ; 163 , And I Quote ; And Ilaahukum ( Your El / Allah ) Source , Is < Waahidun > One Ilaahun ( Allah / El ) Source . No Ilaaha ( El / Allah ) Source ' Would Exist If He ( Hu -The Creative Force Of Will ) , Didn't Creat Him ; Huwa Is < Al Rahmaan > The Yielder , < Al Rahiym > The Merciful .
More In Next Post ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 4:07pm
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You are now getting into petty semantics. There is no difference if you use the English word or the Arabic. Of course, it is preferred to say Allah, but one does not need to be so obsessive in the matter. Allah (swt) does not concern Himself with such meaningless semantics and He certainly does not want us to waste our time on such matters. By the way, what faith do you follow? Are you a Deist? ------------- Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162) |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 4:40pm
As Salaaamu Alaykum Islamispeace
I Have Been Reading Some Of Your ( Post's ) I Knew You Would Come Up With Some Type Of Exuse , And Now You Want To Speak For Allah , You Should Do More Research And Less Complaning ..
 To Answer You Question , Faith Is One Thing Knowing Is Another , You May Have Faith In Your Cart , But Not Know The Wheel Is Loose '' Read Below ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 4:45pm
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Ques; What The Meaning Of The Word '' Allah '' And Where Did It Come From ? islamispeace ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 18 March 2011 at 11:52am
This is typical ad-hominem style attacks from a person who does not know how to debate. Many of the people I talk to resort to this!  Instead of keeping on topic, they divert and resort to meaningless attacks. I have been reading your responses too. Most of them are incoherent ramblings which go on and on until I get bored and go to another thread. You need to learn how to articulate your ideas and get to the point without making endless posts. You also did not answer my question. You are clearly not a Muslim or Christian. So what are you? I ask because it will help me to know where your ideas are coming from. ------------- Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162) |
Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 18 March 2011 at 11:59am
It means "The God" in Arabic. It is how God refers to Himself in the Quran. It existed in pre-Islamic Arabia and was also known to Arabic Jews and Christians. We even know of a Christian inscription from 512 CE which refers to Allah (swt): http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/zebed.html ------------- Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162) |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 18 March 2011 at 12:20pm
You Know Whenever I Hear People Like YourSELF Ask What Is One Faith / Belief , It Because They're Looking For Away To Attacks Their Faith / Belief's / Resource Etc . This Is A Old Trick . This Is Because They Play This Game My God Is Better Then Your God . And 95 % Of Them Know Nothing Of Their Own Scriptues . They Also Come Up With All Type Of Excuses Like You Doing Now .
Read This Ok http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=80 - Introduction: Who am I? ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |