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Topic: Djinn

Posted By: TheGuy
Subject: Djinn
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 12:22pm

I want to learn more about Djinn. There are numerous resources for learning about Angels, but I have yet to really find anything about Djinn, and I would like to learn more about their history and current status.

Also, if possible, I would like to find a Sahir(I assume this is what someone is called who communicates with Djinn, though that isn't clear to me) that speaks English. I have many questions, and would like to learn more about Djinn, so any help or guidance in what direction to proceed would be appreciated. Thanks for your time.

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Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 28 December 2009 at 6:26am

TheGuy wrote:

I want to learn more about Djinn. There are numerous resources for learning about Angels, but I have yet to really find anything about Djinn, and I would like to learn more about their history and current status.

Well, Jinn are the only other beings apart from Humans who have a 'freewill' i.e. they have the ability to do both good & bad according to their whims. There are good Jin (Muslims) and bad Jinns. Maybe you should google up "Jinn" to find islamically relevant info.

Only Hazrat Sulaiman (pbuh) the Prophet had the ability to communicate with and rule over Jinn - in their natural form.

Also, if possible, I would like to find a Sahir(I assume this is what someone is called who communicates with Djinn, though that isn't clear to me) that speaks English. I have many questions, and would like to learn more about Djinn, so any help or guidance in what direction to proceed would be appreciated. Thanks for your time.

Are you a muslim ? If so, it is futile and useless to go into things like that. It is not islamically encouraged to visit Sahirs and try and contact/communicate with supernatural beings. Infact it is discouraged.
Why do you wanna do that anyway? Just curious.

PS: Most (if not all) "Sahirs" or soothsayers are just Quacks. So you'd be wasting your time anyway.

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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."

Posted By: TheGuy
Date Posted: 28 December 2009 at 12:24pm

Well, that's like asking me why I would want to talk to God or another human being or an angel? Other beings exist, so why not get to know them? If they have free will, and they exist in a different state than humans, they have a different perception of reality/creation. I feel it would be useful to communicate with them.

I already have done a search for Djinn online, there isn't much information on them available, as I stated in my first post.

I am not Muslim, or any other organized religious faith, though I am aware that there is truth in many religions.

I wonder why you made the comment, "It is not islamically encouraged to visit Sahirs and try and contact/communicate with supernatural beings."? It seems to me, the Quran makes it clear that they are NOT supernatural, they are made of the essence of Fire as we are of the essence of Earth(at least our bodies) which makes them natural beings. So, they exist the same as we do, just in a different kind of body. That doesn't make them supernatural. Also, even if it's not encouraged, that doesn't mean it's "wrong" or something? And, who is doing this discouraging? And, why?

I assume what you say about Sahirs is correct, as there are many ppl in the business of deception, though I'm sure there is someone somewhere who knows enough about them to share something. Or, maybe some writings somewhere.

Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 29 December 2009 at 5:35pm

Hi Guy,
very interesting topic you started and its true that there is very little but very clear information given to us about them (the Djinn). What we are told of the Djinn is that the Shaitan (Satan) was from the Djinn and we have been told very clearly to resist and stay away from him and his council.
Because of Djinn being invisble to us we are unable to physically locate them while the Djinn must be able to see us! According to the Quran God gave Shaitan who was a Djinn respite till the End to misguide and deceive those who would listen to him and follow him to disobey and deny their maker and accountability except those who believe and guard themselves against him.
Thus far this is the most of what I know of Djinn from the Quran.
As we know from the Quran that Djinn have free will, there are those of Djinn who are on the right guidance. As far as communicating with Djinn, we see that only prophet Solomon was given djinn under his command and he was able to communicate and to put them to any use by Allah's commands.

34:12....and there were jinns that worked in front of him (Solomon), by the leave of his Lord,..

Why we are discouraged to communicate with them simply because Allah has warned us of it:

72:6 "...True, there were persons among mankind who took shelter with persons among the jinns, but they increased them in folly."

Hasan

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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62

Posted By: TheGuy
Date Posted: 29 December 2009 at 10:51pm

honeto wrote:

Hi Guy,
very interesting topic you started and its true that there is very little but very clear information given to us about them (the Djinn). What we are told of the Djinn is that the Shaitan (Satan) was from the Djinn and we have been told very clearly to resist and stay away from him and his council.
Because of Djinn being invisble to us we are unable to physically locate them while the Djinn must be able to see us! According to the Quran God gave Shaitan who was a Djinn respite till the End to misguide and deceive those who would listen to him and follow him to disobey and deny their maker and accountability except those who believe and guard themselves against him.

Your response assumes, perhaps incorrectly, that all Djinn are under his command or are also like him? I don't really see this as the case, as there doesn't seem to be evidence to that extent.

72:6 "...True, there were persons among mankind who took shelter with persons among the jinns, but they increased them in folly."

Again, your response assumes that ALL Djinn are in some way "negative" or "evil" or in some way unhelpful to man, but I am not seeing this as the case yet again. Man can be "increased in folly" by himself, and any time he is confused and seeks counsel outside himself he can become even more confused or make worse choices because he is in a weak position mentally or emotionally or spiritually, maybe even physically. So, maybe these are just warnings similar to the ones against also consulting certain kinds of men, as there are men who use their free will to also lead others astray because of their weak position in life.

I am not sure what the proper context is for "took shelter with persons among the jinns", but I assume it means asking for their help in a time of need, and maybe the Djinn they sought council with were similar to men in having free will and decided to take advantage of the men in their weak state? In this context, of course it wouldn't be advisable to seek them out, as anyone in a weak position can easily be taken advantage of by those in a stronger position who are not honest.

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If Solomon was the wisest man in the world, and he made use of Djinn, he must have known something we obviously do not. If I recall correctly, it was a woman that led him astray, not a Djinn? Again, we see a man in a weak position, he is wise but he is weak to his physical desires. So, even if the "woman" that led him astray was woman or Djinn, we again see the theme of a man being taken advantage of in a weak state as opposed to a state that's strong. A state like Curiosity, Acquisition of Knowledge, Equality, etc. If one wants to learn of the Djinn, I don't see a weak point, other than that the Djinn can lie about their kind or etc. But, If you don't want something from them, I don't see a big deal there. Anyone can tell tall tales, like the guy who says his fish was an inch bigger than it really is, that's why we were given intuition and the ability to discern truth.

I thank you for your contribution to this discussion though.

Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 31 December 2009 at 12:22am

TheGuy wrote:

Well, that's like asking me why I would want to talk to God or another human being or an angel? Other beings exist, so why not get to know them? If they have free will, and they exist in a different state than humans, they have a different perception of reality/creation. I feel it would be useful to communicate with them.

Sorry, meant to reply earlier, but somehow my post got erased.

It would only be useful IF you could communicate with them. I honestly don't think that "Djin Communications 101" exists. Hence is a bit futile.

The Djin don't seem to be too eager to contact us ! Wink

Maybe its all for the best. . .

"Talking to God" and other humans is different - because it is actually possible.

Anyway - in Islam, although we recognize the existence of Djin, we have not been told or taught any means to communicate with them. So, sorry cannot be of much help there. I don't think its possible either. (Prophets like Solomon (pbuh) aside)

I already have done a search for Djinn online, there isn't much information on them available, as I stated in my first post.

Try doing a "Qur'an Search" on some Quran website, type in "Jinn" - hopefully you'll get some verses that talk of Jinn. There is also a whole chapter in the Qur'an, called "The Jinn".

I wonder why you made the comment, "It is not islamically encouraged to visit Sahirs and try and contact/communicate with supernatural beings."? It seems to me, the Quran makes it clear that they are NOT supernatural, they are made of the essence of Fire as we are of the essence of Earth(at least our bodies) which makes them natural beings. So, they exist the same as we do, just in a different kind of body. That doesn't make them supernatural. Also, even if it's not encouraged, that doesn't mean it's "wrong" or something? And, who is doing this discouraging? And, why?

Well, generally speaking - in Islam - we are told to keep away from "futile" ventures, and focus on things that matter. (i.e. effect our Deen (faith/religion) or Duniya (worldly matters). Also we humans have a tendency to get overtly obsessed with such matters concerning "Spirits" or "Magic" or "contacting Jinn" . . . which kind of shifts our priorities and focus from other things, that as humans should take our main priority.

Well, okay we won't use the term supernatural - maybe its not the correct term even though they do have powers & characteristics that seem to be beyond that of "natural forces" on earth. E.g superhuman strength etc etc.

By "its not encouarged" I was bieng a bit cautious since I did not have any sources at the moment to back up what I said (like a hadith or quran verse). Will post once I come across some. I based what I said on the general gist of Islam (that I am aware of). Scholars have also said similar things.

As for "who does the discouraging" - Allah does the discouraging & encouraging in Islam, and if something has not been explicitly mentioned, Scholars form an opinion based on original Islamic sources such as the Qur'an & Hadith.

I assume what you say about Sahirs is correct, as there are many ppl in the business of deception, though I'm sure there is someone somewhere who knows enough about them to share something. Or, maybe some writings somewhere.

I highly doubt that. But oh well. . . Smile

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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."

Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 31 December 2009 at 1:13am

I wonder why you made the comment, "It is not islamically encouraged to visit Sahirs and try and contact/communicate with supernatural beings."?

Came across some ahadith (Sayings of Prophet Muhammad)

�The prayer of one who approaches a fortune-teller and asks him about anything, will not be accepted for forty days or nights� (Saheeh Muslim)

and: �Whosoever approaches a fortune-teller and believes in what he says, has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammed.� (i,e islam)

Some more info about Jinn:

Allah says in the Qur'an:

�Indeed he (Satan) and his tribe (evil Jinns) watch you from a position where you cannot see them.� (Quran 7:27)

The Qareen is the Jinn companion which is assigned to every human being. It is this Jinn which whispers to our base desires and constantly tries to divert us from righteousness. The Prophet (saws) said: "Everyone of you has been assigned a companion from the Jinn. The companions asked: Even you O' Messenger of Allah? And the Prophet replied: Even me, except that Allah has helped me against him and he has submitted. Now he only tells me to do good" http://www.islamawareness.net/Jinn/world.html#Footnotes - [11] . (Reported by Muslim - Eng. Trans. Vol.4, p.1472, No.6757)

"The Jinn usually communicate by either visions or voices " - from Ibn Taymiyyah's Essay on the Jinn. This is similar to a Sahih Hadith in which Prophet Muhammad said that there are 3 kinds of dreams, 1. Good dreams that are from Allah, 2. Routine dreams which are just a reflection of everyday life 3.Bad dreams which are from the devils (evil Jinns).

Anyway - so from most Islamic sources almost all Jinn-Men interactions have been portrayed as negative and straying from the right path (Save for the few incidents in which Prophets such as Sulaiman were in control of Jinn, or when some Jinns accepted Islam through Prophet Muhammad). Most ahadith that speak of Jinn also take a warning tone - which clearly denotes that trying to communicate with Jinn is discouraged and not to be pursued - from an Islamic point of view.

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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."

Posted By: TheGuy
Date Posted: 31 December 2009 at 1:47am

Ok, but "fortune-teller" doesn't = Djinn necessarily, so I have to completely disregard that as extraneous information.

I sense that the interpretation is negative, but if you actually read the text it doesn't seem negative? Maybe I am just an optimist. "helped me against him" doesn't mean he was necessarily evil? Maybe he was deliberately sent to test resolve or something, and a human needs to overcome that?

I'm starting to get the impression that the Islamic faith treats Djinn as Christians treat Angels, they exist, but not really cause no one ever sees or hears from them and those that do are loony or something. :P

You made an interesting point about focusing on what matters, but that's kinda subjective, what matters to one man may not matter that much to another. I am like Solomon, I seek to be wise, and you can only really be wise by understanding many things which also includes the unseen like Djinn and Angels and etc.

I haven't actually read the Quran.. does it differentiate between angels and demons like the Bible.. or demons are fallen angels in that as well? That may help clarify things.

My question after you post, Chrysalis, is why would every man be appointed a Jinn? That makes me more curious.

Posted By: Saladin
Date Posted: 31 December 2009 at 12:18pm

TheGuy wrote:

If Solomon was the wisest man in the world, and he made use of Djinn, he must have known something we obviously do not. If I recall correctly, it was a woman that led him astray, not a Djinn?

Thats perhaps Biblical account but the Quran says :

"And follow that which the devils falsely related against the kingdom of Solomon. Solomon disbelieved not; but the devils disbelieved,...." (2:102)

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'Trust everyone but not the devil in them'

Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 02 January 2010 at 8:47am

TheGuy wrote:

Ok, but "fortune-teller" doesn't = Djinn necessarily, so I have to completely disregard that as extraneous information.

Hi, well, hadith mention that some fortune-tellers claim to have "learnt from the Jinn" - hence I thought I'd mention bcz of the relation.

I sense that the interpretation is negative, but if you actually read the text it doesn't seem negative? Maybe I am just an optimist. "helped me against him" doesn't mean he was necessarily evil? Maybe he was deliberately sent to test resolve or something, and a human needs to overcome that?

Hmm well, I think its pretty clear that "helped me against him" means that the Jinn was clearly a bad or evil force. Even if it were a test.

I'm starting to get the impression that the Islamic faith treats Djinn as Christians treat Angels, they exist, but not really cause no one ever sees or hears from them and those that do are loony or something. :P

Will kinda agree to that - in the sense that although we believe in in the Jinn's existence - we live our lives ignoring them, and don't make any attempts to meddle in their affairs or contact them. Islamically speaking (you will of course have your own opinions on this) we don't do that because we believe had that been necessary, we would have been taught to do so, or told ways to do so. On the other hand, most ahadith speak of Jinn in a warning tone.

Anyway - since we cannot see them or observe them, that kind of puts us at a disadvantage, since how would you know whether the Jinn you have managed to contact is a good one, or an evil one, with a personal agenda ? They on the other hand have the advantage of observing us and knowing us wayyyyy better than we do.

You made an interesting point about focusing on what matters, but that's kinda subjective, what matters to one man may not matter that much to another. I am like Solomon, I seek to be wise, and you can only really be wise by understanding many things which also includes the unseen like Djinn and Angels and etc.

It is good to seek knowledge and wisdom, but within the limits of practicality. Some ventures are kinda futile and can get obsessive to the extent of turning harmful (too many Ghost-hunter, spirit-obsessed stories out there - ppl go loony). Anyway, I think you probably have had quite enough of that from my side already. Smile

Sorry couldn't be of more help in helping u understand them better . . .

I haven't actually read the Quran.. does it differentiate between angels and demons like the Bible.. or demons are fallen angels in that as well? That may help clarify things.

Yes, Quran differentiates b/w Angels & Demons.

Angels were created from "Nur" (Divine Light). Angels are "hardwired" to Allah's commands and do not have a free-will of their own to go against Allah's orders. They all have functions or "jobs". The 4 famous angels (or "arch-angels") (same as the Christian concept):
Mikaeel: in charge of rain
Israfeel: will blow the trumpet on day of judgement
Izraeel: takes away life
Jibraeel: who has always bought Allah's Books & Message to the Messengers.

Would like to mention that we don't attribute these powers to the Angels themselves, rather believe that Allah has delegated these tasks to them.

Demons or "the Devil" are not fallen angels - they are of the Jinn. (i.e. same species). Since they have a free-will they choose to be good or evil like us Humans. The leader of all these "demons" or "devils" i.e. "Satan" is called "Iblees" in Islam. Hence there are those Jinn that choose to reject Allah's orders and side with Iblees (a.k.a Satan)

My question after you post, Chrysalis, is why would every man be appointed a Jinn? That makes me more curious.

"Appointed a Jinn" means that there is a devil/Jinn accompanying every man, who tries to lead that person astray. This is a test. . . we are supposed to ignore & reject that devil/Jinn and stay on the path Allah taught us. This is the explanation I read or heard a long time ago - if I come across a source/better explanation - will post.

Are you thinking of trying to contact that personal Jinn of yours ? Wink

. (Kidding!) Hehe.

Anyway - if you succeed do tell us. (not kidding!)

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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."

Posted By: TheGuy
Date Posted: 02 January 2010 at 12:40pm

Yes, I will attempt to communicate with this being, maybe it knows why it is appointed to me. If that is really the case, then it shouldn't be far from me, as I'm sure it's been appointed to observe me or something so it should be very near almost all the time in some way. That will be my first attempt.

I would rather not say what series of events led to me pursuing this path, but I will say that I believe a Djinn has been attempting to communicate with me at night in my dreams(I have waking/lucid/conscious dreams every night, I am not unconscious as most ppl are), and asking me to write a book about Djinn so humans can better understand them.

Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 8:48am

TheGuy wrote:

I would rather not say what series of events led to me pursuing this path, but I will say that I believe a Djinn has been attempting to communicate with me at night in my dreams(I have waking/lucid/conscious dreams every night, I am not unconscious as most ppl are), and asking me to write a book about Djinn so humans can better understand them.

Interesting !!! Was it a positive/optimistic dream ? (You believe in God right?)

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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."

Posted By: TheGuy
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 11:35am

The dreams had NO negative aspect whatsoever. The dreams have been like talking to a wise old person, except the Djinn in the dream isn't "old" looking, though seems to be a couple hundred years old chronologically. It seems to me that they just want humans to understand them, they want to be a part of creation as much as most of us want to, and of course I'm not referring to beings that have destructive natures on either side who can't control creation so they want to destroy it.

In every dream so far, and I've had about 3, the main theme was me learning about the Djinn through this older female djinn(though she doesn't seem old by our standards of "aging" and etc.), writing a book about them, nature, and changing of a paradigm. This all started occurring after a strange series of events, which involved the theme of Djinn.

I do not believe in God the same way religious or other people do, I have a different belief in the way things work. I'd rather not try to explain my beliefs, as no one ever gets it, and I think everyone's understanding of creation is his and his alone. Most of the world's problems stem from one man saying his perception of creation is right or better than another mans, so I'd rather avoid that. That's not to say men can't share their perceptions and see what they can learn from another's perception, but any time someone tries to control anyone else they are trying to control creation and I see that as the real evil, one should not try to stop or control or destroy the unfolding of creation.

Posted By: sufi_observer
Date Posted: 04 January 2010 at 10:29am

Emilie Savage-Smith, editor. Magic and Divination in Early Islam. Grand Rapids: Ashgate Press, 2004. The introductory chapter, "Belief in Spirits Among the Pre-Islamic Arabs" describes the evolution of belief in Jinns in great detail. http://www.ashgate.com/default.aspx?page=637&calcTitle=1&title_id=4882&edition_id=7104 - http://www.ashgate.com/default.aspx?page=637&calcTitle=1&title_id=4882&edition_id=7104

Celia Rothenberg. Spirits of Palestine: Gender, Society, and Stories of the Jinn. New York: Lexington Books, 2004. Focuses on modern beliefs and describes several first hand accounts of encounters with the Jinn. http://www.lexingtonbooks.com/Catalog/SingleBook.shtml?command=Search&db=^DB/CATALOG.db&eqSKUdata=0739106422 - http://www.lexingtonbooks.com/Catalog/SingleBook.shtml?command=Search&db=^DB/CATALOG.db&eqSKUdata=0739106422

Constance Padwick, "Notes on the Jinn and the Ghoul in the Peasant Mind of Lower Egypt," Bulletin of the School of Oriental Studies 3.3 (1924), pp. 421-446. Includes interviews with people who encountered Jinns.

Posted By: TheGuy
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 12:36am

Thx Sufi, I've read the last one you linked, I did a search for it and found a pdf of it on a site. Interesting to read it, though it seems to be more about superstition than the Djinn, and it's very negative in perspective.

I'll try to find the other two at a library or something. Though, neither of the other two sound like they contain anything much different, and I'm not interested in fiction as much as fact. Nor in authors attempting to interpret culture or superstition.

Posted By: TheGuy
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 3:46pm

I've been trying to find more books and etc. It seems obvious to me now, that no one actually knows anything about the Djinn that has put out anything publicly, all the books I found were based on research of the Quran(Koran? I dunno the proper spelling) and writings(Sunna, etc.) that were based on interpretation of that book, but not necessarily contextually or factually accurate.

So, that leaves 2 possibilities for actual fact finding of Djinn existence:

1) Try to interpret or figure out something about them from the only factual account of their existence, the Quran, and personal accounts of those who actually have interacted with them.

2) Attempt to contact a real one and hope that they are honest beings who are open to sharing about their "race"? of beings.

Many of the books out, merely add to the superstitious nature of humans who are weak and blame all negative things on everyone but themselves, because they obviously do not want to take responsibility for their actions they made with their own free will. I am not interested in this research of superstitions, I don't care what ignorant people who don't take responsibility for their own actions want to blame their misfortune on, I am interested in fact.

From the verses in the Quran, at least translated into English, it doesn't appear to me that Djinn are evil beings that just run around causing trouble. I refuse to take into account the writings that came after the Quran, as they are most likely interpretation and conjecture and out of context and not based on fact. Obviously this Muhammad guy knew something, but that doesn't mean his followers or family also did, so..

Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 10:48pm

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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."

Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 11:24pm

More about the Jinn from various Muslim sources: (Excerpts taken from Muttaqun.com, blue font is mine)

Book - "The World of the Jinn and Devils", p. 7
Ibn Abdul Barr said, "The jinn, according to the scholars of the language, are of different types:

If one is mentioning the jinn purely of themselves, the are called jinni.*
If one is mentioning the jinn that live among mankind, they are called aamar whose plural is amaar.
If one is mentioning the ones that antagonize the young, they are called arwaah.
If one is mentioning the evil ones that antagonize humans they are called shaitan for the singular [and shayateen for plural].
If they cause even more harm and become strong, they are called afreet."**

**An Ifr�t (strong) from the jinns said: "I will bring it to you before you rise from your place (council). And verily, I am indeed strong, and trustworthy for such work." [The Noble Qur'an 27:39]

However we understand that the shaitan among the jinn antagonize humans, not that they are kind beings who accidentally mess up on occasion. Those who seek aid (such as asking for favors or making request) from the jinni will find deception and a twisted type of aid that doesn't really meet the requestor's original request, but that satisfies the shaytaanic (satanic/evil) jinn's desire for evil.

Narration - Reported by al-Tahhaawi in Mushkil al-Athaar, 4/95, and by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, 22/214

Abu Tha�labah al-Khushani said: �The Messenger of Allaah http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> said: �The jinn are of three types: a types that has wings, and they fly through the air; a type that looks like snakes and dogs; and a type that stops for a rest then resumes its journey.� [Shaykh al-Albaani said in al-Mishkaat (2/1206, no. 4148): al-Tahhaawi and Abu�l-Shaykh reported it with a saheeh (saheeh = authentic) isnaad]

The Origin of the Jinn

The jinn are NOT fallen angels. They were created from a smokeless flame of fire. The first recorded jinn to be disobedient is Iblis (a.k.a Satan). Disbelieving, disobedient jinn and humans are known as shayateen (satans).

The Noble Qur'an - Ar-Rahmaan (name of Chapter or "Surah" of the Quran) 55:15, 15

He created man (Adam) from sounding clay like the clay of pottery.

And the jinns did He create from a smokeless flame of fire.

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Hijr 15:26-42

26. And indeed, We created man from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.

27. And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.

28. And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.

29. "So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him."

30. So, the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together.

31. Except Ibl�s (Satan), - he refused to be among the prostrators.

32. (All�h) said: "O Ibl�s (Satan)! What is your reason for not being among the prostrators?"

33. [Ibl�s (Satan)] said: "I am not the one to prostrate myself to a human being, whom You created from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud."

34. (All�h) said: "Then, get out from here, for verily, you are Raj�m (an outcast or a cursed one)." [Tafs�r At-Tabar�]

35. "And verily, the curse shall be upon you till the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)."

36. [Ibl�s (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Give me then respite till the Day they (the dead) will be resurrected."

37. All�h said: "Then, verily, you are of those reprieved,

38. "Till the Day of the time appointed."

39. [Ibl�s (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Because you misled me, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all.

40. "Except Your chosen, (guided) slaves among them."

41. (All�h) said: "This is the Way which will lead straight to Me."

42. "Certainly, you shall have no authority over My slaves, except those who follow you of the Gh�w�n (Mushrik�n and those who go astray, criminals, polytheists, and evil-doers, etc.).

Solomon's Experience with the Jinn

Allah made all the jinn subservient to the Prophet Sulaimaan (Solomon), a gift from Allah, swt, that will never be granted to another after him.

The Noble Qur'an - Saad 38:35-39
35. He said: "My Lord! Forgive me, and bestow upon me a kingdom such as shall not belong to any other after me: Verily, You are the Bestower."

36. So, We subjected to him the wind, it blew gently to his order whithersoever he willed,

37. And also the Shay�tin (devils) from the jinns (including) every kind of builder and diver,

38. And also others bound in fetters.

39. [Saying of All�h to Sulaim�n (Solomon)]: "This is Our gift, so spend you or withhold, no account will be asked."

The Noble Qur'an - Saba' 34:12-14

12. And to Solomon (We subjected) the wind, its morning (stride from sunrise till midnoon) was a month's (journey), and its afternoon (stride from the midday decline of the sun to sunset) was a month's (journey i.e. in one day he could travel two months' journey). And We caused a fount of (molten) brass to flow for him, and there were jinns that worked in front of him, by the Leave of his Lord, and whosoever of them turned aside from Our Command, We shall cause him to taste of the torment of the blazing Fire.

13. They worked for him what he desired, (making) high rooms, images, basins as large as reservoirs, and (cooking) cauldrons fixed (in their places). "Work you, O family of D�wud (David), with thanks!" But few of My slaves are grateful.

14. Then when We decreed death for him [Sulaim�n (Solomon)], nothing informed them (jinns) of his death except a little worm of the earth, which kept (slowly) gnawing away at his stick, so when he fell down, the jinns saw clearly that if they had known the unseen, they would not have stayed in the humiliating torment.

The Noble Qur'an - An-Naml 27:17-19

17. And there were gathered before Sulaim�n (Solomon) his hosts of jinns and men, and birds, and they all were set in battle order (marching forwards).

18. Till, when they came to the valley of the ants, one of the ants said: "O ants! Enter your dwellings, lest Sulaim�n (Solomon) and his hosts crush you, while they perceive not."

19. So he [Sulaim�n (Solomon)] smiled, amused at her speech[] and said: "My Lord! Inspire and bestow upon me the power and ability that I may be grateful for Your Favours which You have bestowed on me and on my parents, and that I may do righteous good deeds that will please You, and admit me by Your Mercy among Your righteous slaves."

Every human has a partner Jinn

Hadith - Sahih Muslim 6757, Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud, similar narration 6759 by 'Aisha, r.a.
Allah's Apostle http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> said: There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Apostle http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.

Distancing Oneself

Fiqh 4.124
Anas reported that the Prophet http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> said, "The barrier between the eyes of the Jinn and the nakedness of the Children of Adam is [created] when a Muslim discards a garment and says, 'In the name of Allah besides Whom there is no other god'." (Ibn As-Sinni)

Hadith (Hadith= sayings of Prophet Muhammad)- Ahmad, an-Nasa'i, Dawud, al-Hakim and al-Baihaqi
Qatadah related from 'Abdullah ibn Sarjas who said, "The Messenger of Allah forbade urination into a hole." Said Qatadah, "What is disliked about urinating into a hole?" Said he, "It is the residence of the jinn." [Ibn Khuzaimah and Ibn as-Sakin classified it as sahih]

More About the Jinn

Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 4:533, Narrated Jabi bin 'Abdullah http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allah%20be%20pleased%20with%20him">

The Prophet http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> said, "Cover your utensils and tie your water skins, and close your doors and keep your children close to you at night, as the Jinns spread out at such time and snatch things away. When you go to bed, put out your lights, for the mischief-doer (i.e. the rat) may drag away the wick of the candle and burn the dwellers of the house." Ata said, "The devils." (instead of the Jinns).

Hadith - Sunan of Abu Dawood, Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri
Muhammad ibn AbuYahya said that his father told that he and his companion went to AbuSa'id al-Khudri to pay a sick visit to him. He said: Then we came out from him and met a companion of ours who wanted to go to him. We went ahead and sat in the mosque. He then came back and told us that he heard AbuSa'id al-Khudri say: The Apostle of Allah http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> said: Some snakes are jinn; so when anyone sees one of them in his house, he should give it a warning three times. If it return (after that), he should kill it, for it is a devil.

Hadith - Al-Muwatta 54.33
...The snake stirred on the end of the spear and the youth fell dead. No one knew which of them died first, the snake or the youth. That was mentioned to the Messenger of Allah http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> said, "There are jinn in Madina who have become muslim. When you see one of them, call out to it for three days. If it appears after that, then kill it, for it is a shaytan." "'

Hadith - Muwatta, 49.21
...Shaytan does not open a locked door or untie a tied knot, or uncover a vessel.

Hadith - Tirmidhi #350
Allah's Messenger http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> said: Don't cleanse yourself with dung or with bones for that is the food of your brothers from amongst the Jinn. [Transmitted by Tirmidhi, Nasa'i with this exception that he did not make mention of: The Food of your brothers from amongst the jinn.]

The Noble Qur'an - Ar-Rahmaan 55:56
Wherein both will be those (maidens) restraining their glances upon their husbands, whom no man or jinn yatmithhunna (has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse) before them.

Hadith - Abu Dawood 1046, Narrated Ali ibn Abu Talib

Ali said on the pulpit in the mosque of Kufah: When Friday comes, the devils go to the markets with their flags, and involve people in their needs and prevent them from the Friday prayer. ...

The Noble Qur'an - As-Saaffaat 37:158
And they have invented a kinship between Him and the jinns, but the jinns know well that they have indeed to appear (before Him) (i.e. they will be brought for accounts).

The Noble Qur'an - Huud 11:119
Except him on whom your Lord has bestowed His Mercy (the follower of truth - Isl�mic Monotheism) and for that did He create them. And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled (i.e. His Saying): "Surely, I shall fill Hell with jinns and men all together."

The Noble Qur'an - Al-An'aam 6:130, 131
O you assembly of jinns and mankind! "Did not there come to you Messengers from amongst you, reciting unto you My Verses and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?" They will say: "We bear witness against ourselves." It was the life of this world that deceived them. And they will bear witness against themselves that they were disbelievers.

This is because your Lord would not destroy the (populations of) towns for their wrong�doing (i.e. associating others in worship along with All�h) while their people were unaware (so the Messengers were sent).

The Noble Qur'an - Al-A'raaf 7:179
And surely, We have created many of the jinns and mankind for Hell. They have hearts wherewith they understand not, they have eyes wherewith they see not, and they have ears wherewith they hear not (the truth). They are like cattle, nay even more astray; those! They are the heedless ones.

Fortune-tellers/Soothsayers

Hadith - Al-Bukhari 7.657, Narrated 'Aisha, r.a.
Some people asked Allah's Apostle (saaws) about the foretellers. He said. -They are nothing." They said, -O Allah's Apostle! Sometimes they tell us of a thing which turns out to be true." Allah's Apostle said, "A Jinn snatches that true word and pours it into the ear of his friend (the foreteller) (as one puts something into a bottle). The foreteller then mixes with that word one hundred lies."

Muslim Jinn

The Noble Qur'an - Az-Zaariyaat 51:56
And I (All�h) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone).

Hadith - Tirmidhi #861, Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah, Tirmidhi (famous muslim narrator/scholar of hadith) reported and said: This is a gharib hadith. (i.e. there is room for doubt in the transmission/source of this Hadith)

Allah's Messenger http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> came out to his companions and recited Surah ar-Rahman (55) from the beginning to the end, but they remained silent. Thereupon he said: I recited this before the Jinn on the night of Jinn, and their response was better than that of yours. When I came to these words: `Then which of the favours of your Lord do you deny?' They said: Our Lord, there is nothing that we deny of Thy favour; to Thee is praise due.

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Jinn 72:1-14 (A chapter in the Qur'an is called "The Jinn" narrating an incident when a group of Jinn approached Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to inquire about and accept Islam)

Say (O Muhammad http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> ): "It has been revealed to me that a group (from three to ten in number) of jinns listened (to this Qur'�n). They said: 'Verily! We have heard a wonderful Recital (this Qur'�n)!
'It guides to the Right Path, and we have believed therein, and we shall never join (in worship) anything with our Lord (All�h).
'And exalted be the Majesty of our Lord, He has taken neither a wife, nor a son (or offspring or children).
'And that the foolish among us [i.e. Ibl�s (Satan) or the polytheists amongst the jinns] used to utter against All�h that which was wrong and not right.
'And verily, we thought that men and jinns would not utter a lie against All�h.
'And verily, there were men among mankind who took shelter with the masculine among the jinns, but they (jinns) increased them (mankind) in sin and disbelief.
'And they thought as you thought, that All�h will not send any Messenger (to mankind or jinns).
'And we have sought to reach the heaven; but found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.
'And verily, we used to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing, but any who listens now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.
'And we know not whether evil is intended for those on earth, or whether their Lord intends for them a Right Path.
'There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary; we are groups each having a different way (religious sect, etc.).
'And we think that we cannot escape (from the punishment of) All�h in the earth, nor can we escape (from the punishment) by flight.
'And indeed when we heard the Guidance (this Qur'�n), we believed therein (Isl�mic Monotheism), and whosoever believes in his Lord shall have no fear, either of a decrease in the reward of his good deeds or an increase in punishment for his sins.
'And of us some are Muslims (who have submitted to All�h, after listening to this Qur'�n), and of us some are Al-Q�sit�n (disbelievers those who have deviated from the Right Path)'. And whosoever has embraced Isl�m (i.e. has become a Muslim by submitting to All�h), then such have sought the Right Path."

Shaytaan (a.k.a Iblis; one of the most famous jinn)

The shaytaan (satan) can be human or jinn...

The Noble Qur'an - Al-An'aam 6:112
And so We have appointed for every Prophet enemies - Shay�tin (devils) among mankind and jinns, inspiring one another with adorned speech as a delusion (or by way of deception). If your Lord had so willed, they would not have done it, so leave them alone with their fabrications.

Know your enemy...

The Noble Qur'an - Faatir 35:6
Surely, Shait�n (Satan) is an enemy to you, so take (treat) him as an enemy. He only invites his Hizb (followers) that they may become the dwellers of the blazing Fire.

The Noble Qur'an - Az-Zukhruf 43:62
And let not Shait�n (Satan) hinder you (from the right religion, i.e. Isl�mic Monotheism), Verily, he (Satan) to you is a plain enemy.

Shaitaan tells you to fear people instead of Allah, swt...

The Noble Qur'an - Az-Zukhruf 43:62
It is only Shait�n (Satan) that suggests to you the fear of his http://muttaqun.com/auliya.html - Auliy� ' [supporters and friends (polytheists, disbelievers in the Oneness of All�h and in His Messenger, Muhammad http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> )], so fear them not, but fear Me, if you are (true) believers.

The jinn's who Whisper/Deceive

The Noble Qur'an - An-Naas 114

1. Say: "I seek refuge with (All�h) the Lord of mankind,

2. "The King of mankind,

3. "The Il�h (God) of mankind,

4. "From the evil of the whisperer (devil who whispers evil in the hearts of men) who withdraws (from his whispering in one's heart after one remembers All�h),

5. "Who whispers in the breasts of mankind,

6. "Of jinns and men."

The Noble Qur'an - Al-An'aam 6:128
And on the Day when He will gather them (all) together (and say): "O you assembly of jinns! Many did you mislead of men," ...

The Noble Qur'an - Al-'Anaam 6:112
And so We have appointed for every Prophet enemies - Shay�tin (devils) among mankind and jinns, inspiring one another with adorned speech as a delusion (or by way of deception)....

The Noble Qur'an - An-Nahl 16:99-100
Verily! He has no power over those who believe and put their trust only in their Lord (All�h).

His power is only over those who obey and follow him (Satan), and those who join partners with Him (All�h) [i.e. those who are Mushrik�n - polytheists - see Verse 6:121].

The Noble Qur'an - Ibrahiim 14:22
And Shait�n (Satan) will say when the matter has been decided: "Verily, All�h promised you a promise of truth. And I too promised you, but I betrayed you. I had no authority over you except that I called you, so you responded to me. So blame me not, but blame yourselves. I cannot help you, nor can you help me. I deny your former act in associating me (Satan) as a partner with All�h (by obeying me in the life of the world). Verily, there is a painful torment for the Z�lim�n (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.)."

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Israa' 17:61-65
And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate unto Adam." They prostrated except Ibl�s (Satan). He said: "Shall I prostrate to one whom You created from clay?"

[Ibl�s (Satan)] said: "See? This one whom You have honoured above me, if You give me respite (keep me alive) to the Day of Resurrection, I will surely seize and mislead his offspring (by sending them astray) all but a few!"

(All�h) said: "Go, and whosoever of them follows you, surely! Hell will be the recompense of you (all) an ample recompense.

"And Istafziz [literally means: befool them gradually] those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and any other call for All�h's disobedience), make assaults on them with your cavalry and your infantry, mutually share with them wealth and children (by tempting them to earn money by illegal ways usury, etc., or by committing illegal sexual intercourse, etc.), and make promises to them." But Satan promises them nothing but deceit.

"Verily! My slaves (i.e the true believers of Isl�mic Monotheism), you have no authority over them. And All-Sufficient is your Lord as a Guardian."

Supplication for one afflicted by whisperings in prayer or recitation...

Hadith - Sahih Muslim 5463, Narrated Uthman ibn Abul'As, r.a.
Uthman came to Allah's Messenger http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> and said: Allah's Messenger, the Satan intervenes between me and my prayer and my reciting of the Qur'an and he confounds me. Thereupon Allah's Messenger http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> said: That is (the doing of the Satan) who is known as Khinzab, and when you perceive its effect, seek refuge with Allah from it and spit* three times to your left. I did that and Allah dispelled that from me.

* this is a dry spit in the air

Seeking refuge IN the Jinn

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Jinn 72: 6-7
6. 'And verily, there were men among mankind who took shelter with the masculine among the jinns, but they (jinns) increased them (mankind) in sin and disbelief.

7. 'And they thought as you thought, that All�h will not send any Messenger (to mankind or jinns).

The Noble Qur'an - Ibrahiim 14:22
And Shait�n (Satan) will say when the matter has been decided: "Verily, All�h promised you a promise of truth. And I too promised you, but I betrayed you. I had no authority over you except that I called you, so you responded to me. So blame me not, but blame yourselves. I cannot help you, nor can you help me. I deny your former act in associating me (Satan) as a partner with All�h (by obeying me in the life of the world). Verily, there is a painful torment for the Z�lim�n (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.)."

The Noble Qur'an - Al-An'aam 6:100-102
100. Yet, they join the jinns as partners in worship with All�h, though He has created them (the jinns), and they attribute falsely without knowledge sons and daughters to Him. Be He Glorified and Exalted above (all) that they attribute to Him.

101. He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How can He have children when He has no wife? He created all things and He is the All-Knower of everything.

102. Such is All�h, your Lord! L� il�ha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Creator of all things. So worship Him (Alone), and He is the Wak�l (Trustee, Disposer of affairs, Guardian, etc.) over all things.

The Noble Qur'an - Al-An'aam 6:128
And on the Day when He will gather them (all) together (and say): "O you assembly of jinns! Many did you mislead of men," and their Auliy�' (friends and helpers, etc.) amongst men will say: "Our Lord! We benefited one from the other, but now we have reached our appointed term which You did appoint for us." He will say: "The Fire be your dwelling�place, you will dwell therein forever, except as All�h may will. Certainly your Lord is All�Wise, All�Knowing."

Seeking Refuge FROM the Evil Jinn

Say " 'audhu billah" (I seek refuge in Allah) and other dhikr (remembrance of Allah, swt) when the evil whisper of Shaitaan comes upon you, such as

when becoming angry,
having confusing or disobedient thoughts,
when approached by arrogants who dispute the Truth of the ayats of Allah, swt,
when about to recite Qur'an,
or when in any situation that Quran and Sunnah teaches you is a result of the shaitaan.

The Noble Qur'an - Fussilat 41:36
And if an evil whisper from Shait�n (Satan) tries to turn you away (O Muhammad SAW) (from doing good, etc.), then seek refuge in All�h. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.

The Noble Qur'an - Al-A'raaf 7:200, 201
And if an evil whisper comes to you from Shait�n (Satan) then seek refuge with All�h. Verily, He is All-Hearer, All-Knower.

Verily, those who are Al-Muttaq�n (the pious - see V.2:2), when an evil thought comes to them from Shait�n (Satan), they remember (All�h), and (indeed) they then see (aright).

The Noble Qur'an - An-Nahl 16:98
So when you want to recite the Qur'�n, seek refuge with All�h from Shait�n (Satan), the outcast (the cursed one).

Hadith - Al-Muwatta 51.10
Yahya related to me from Malik that Yahya ibn Said said, "When the Messenger of Allah http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> was taken on the Night Journey, he saw an evil jinn seeking him with a torch of fire. Whenever the Messenger of Allah http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> turned, he saw him. Jibril said to him, 'Shall I teach you some words to say? When you say them, his torch will be put out and will fall from him.' The Messenger of Allah http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> said, 'Yes, indeed.' Jibril said, 'Say, 'I seek refuge with the Noble Face of Allah and with the complete words of Allah which neither the good person nor the corrupt can exceed, from the evil of what descends from the sky and the evil of what ascends in it, and from the evil of what is created in the earth and the evil of what comes out of it, and from the trials of the night and day, and from the visitations of the night and day, except for one that knocks with good, O Merciful!" "'

Audhu bi wajhi'llahi' l-karim wa bi kalimati'llahi't-tammati. Allati la yujawazu hunna barra wa la fajir, min sharri ma yanzil min as-sama, wa sharri ma yaruju fiha, wa sham ma dhara' fi'l-ard, wa sharri ma yakhruju minha, wa min fitani'l-layli wa'n-nahar, wa min tawariqi'l-layli wa'n-nahar illa tariqan yatruq bikhayr ya Rahman!

Say Bismillah and then the du'a below before entering the toilet area...

Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi 358, Narrated Ali ibn Abu Talib
Allah's Messenger http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> said: The screen between the eyes of Jinn and the private parts of the sons of Adam as one of them enters the privy is that he should say: In the name of Allah. [This hadith has been transmitted by Tirmidhi and he said: It is a gharib (weak) hadith and its isnad is not sound.]

[Bismillahi] Allahumma inna 'audhu bika minal khubthi wal khabaa'ith.

[By the Name of Allah]. Oh Allah, I seek protection in You from unclean spirits, male and female. [Abu Dawud 4/264, Ahmad 2/389]

The ayat "Al-Kursi" (2:255) is well-known as a means for repelling mischievious jinn...

Ibn Taimiya, Majmu, vol. 19, p. 55
"The numerous people who have experienced these events all confirm the amazing effectiveness of this verse in warding off jinn and breaking their spells. It [editor's note: ayat al-Kursi] has a great effect in repelling devils from humans, from the possessed and from those picked out by jinn, such as wrongdoers, people with bad tempers, those who follow their desires and lusts, musicians and those who become ecstatic through whistling and clapping. If these verses are read over them with sincerity to Allah, the jinn will leave. It will put an end to the mirages created by the jinn. It will also disclose the falseness of those, the brothers of the jinn, who perform miraculous acts. The jinn inspire their devotees with some knowledge that the ignorant think are miracles that Allah grants His pious servants. In fact, they are simply Shaytaan's acts of deception over his devotees, of those whom have earned Allah's wrath and those who have gone astray."

Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi 1019, Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri
The Prophet http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> used to seek protection against the Jinn and the evil eye till surahs al-Falaq and an-Nas were revealed. After they were revealed he stuck to them and discarded everything beside them. [Transmitted by Tirmidhi]

Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi 4563, Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri
Allah's Messenger http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html#May%20Allahs%20peace%20and%20blessings%20be%20on%20him"> used to seek refuge in Allah from jinn and the evil eye in men till the Mu'awwidhatan came down, after which he made use of them and abandoned everything else. [Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah transmitted it, Tirmidhi saying this is a hasan gharib tradition (i,e. room for doubt in source) ]

http://muttaqun.com/jinn.html - http://muttaqun.com/jinn.html

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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."

Posted By: TheGuy
Date Posted: 09 January 2010 at 12:38am

Ok. Thank you for that compilation. Is that all the Qur'an, or also other texts, if other also which are they?

Some of it seems contradictory, an example being where it says all the angels should bow, except Iblis doesn't which contextually assumes he is an angel. Ok, but then he's NOT an angel? Which is it? Is he both an angel AND a Djinn?

Reading all of that just leads to more questions, and I'm not sure I can ever find a straight answer, so I will attempt to contact this Djinn nightly before sleep and if I find a realistic summoning ritual like the one in The Greater Key of Solomon, I may try it.

I don't sense anything evil afoot, so I assume the Djinn attempting to communicate with me is a "believer" or at least not evil/a shaitan.

I wish there was more information on this. Maybe Allah himself can share something on this topic. What is the best way to communicate with him as this Muhammad did?

Thanks for the thorough post.

Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 4:12am

The above post contains both Qur'anic verses as well as Hadith (Prophet Muhammad's sayings). It is mentioned along with the texts. (if its a hadith, it says so . . . verse numbers denote Qur'an verses). Both are considered reliable & authentic by us Muslims.

Iblis was not an angel, he was a Jinn. According to a summary of various sources - he used to be very obedient to Allah, and was thus allowed access the heavens where the Angels resided. He used to be a leader of the Jinn. However, because of his apparent "worship" & "obedience" he fooled himself into thinking he was better than others and couldn't go wrong. He also prided himself over his creation out of fire and "superiority" over all others. (his vice was arrogance & superiority). So when Adam was created, and Allah gave him a status higher than that of all other creations, he refused to submit.

You cannot have a two-way conversation with Allah . . . The way we communicate with Allah, is simply to pray to Him, confess/talk/vent - with the faith/belief that He will accept our prayers & set things right. We don't expect an "Answer". We cannot receive revelations from Allah, the way Prophet Muhammad or other messengers did.

One way to seek help from Allah is through a prayer called "Istikhara". There is a format for that - and its pretty short. However the centre of all ibadah (worship) in Islam is "belief/faith" in Allah & the purity of intention. Without this, the prayer is pretty much useless. Can provide details later if you wish.

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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."

Posted By: TheGuy
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 12:14pm

Chrysalis, ok, thanks for all your help in this endeavor. But, I think I've gone as far as I can from the Muslim end, there seems to be a limit in place as to how much information is available to Muslims. And, some of the information is contradictory or not clear, so I need to find another source besides the Quran. Also, I think that's a BS excuse to say you can't have a two way conversation with a being that you believe exists, either he does or doesn't and if he does then you can talk to him. And, if someone else has in the past, then there's no reason to not be able to now. You may limit yourself and have a false belief placed in you by others saying you can't do this or that, but I do not, so I will attempt also to communicate with Allah along with the Djinn.

Again, I thank all of you for your time, and for discussing this with me. It has been enlightening, and I think the path is now clear that I must travel, and I think I have enough information to make contact with these beings.

Approve

Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 5:35pm

Guy,
I understand your quest to know the "Djinn". I am sure if it was in our interest to know them, God would have mentioned it and provided us with needed information other than what God has already told us.
There are things that Quran makes clear such as Only One Creator, God Almighty, who is not born, who does not have off spring and that its Only God our Creator that we should rightfully worship. Have you grasped those things that are made clear and repeated over and over in different ways so we can have a good sense of them?
I don't see anywhere in the Quran that God will hold one responsible for not communicating with Djinns? But He will hold us responsible for misdirected worship or wrong acts. So, from a Muslim's point of view, the issue you raise is of no importance as there are many other issues that will be enough to occupy a believer's life.
As I said if it was of any importance to us, God would have let us known of that.
Only what most of us have already mentioned from the Quran is all we can say.
I don't mean to discourage you from what you think or do of Djinns, but only show what I as a Muslim think of it.
Hasan

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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62

Posted By: TheGuy
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 6:08pm

If bears are of no importance to you, because you live in the desert and there are none, but they are natural creatures and made by God..

Then, if you need to learn about bears, or as in my case a bear wanders into your life..

Then, wouldn't it be wise to learn about bears?

Smile

Didn't the original man have knowledge of all of creation? If not, how did he name all the animals, and etc.? I'm just not buying the weak arguments that God doesn't want man to know about Djinn..

Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 15 January 2010 at 7:25pm

If God has said, bear is haram for you to eat because it does not have divided hooves. For me that's the end of it. I will not look into it more, not because I am closing my view on it, but because to me that is enough to stop me from eating bear meat. God's command for me means serious business. Also because God has clearly stated that the things made clear to you, don't complicate them.
And of course I am not stopping you to what you do, I am only telling you what a Muslim answer is to your question.
And as a fellow human I am suppose to pass that knowledge to others, you. So I can no longer be held accountable for why I did not tell you the truth. What you do with it is your part to answer in front of the maker!

Hasan

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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62

Posted By: DrJPB
Date Posted: 03 April 2010 at 1:19pm

TheGuy, i only want to encourage you to try to communicate with the creator of all, Allah (God), i am sure you will get your answers. But please do it with full faith. I am sure that you will get what you are looking for.
Good luck.