Be More Gentle with Non-Muslims
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Topic: Be More Gentle with Non-Muslims
Posted By: Full of Hopes
Subject: Be More Gentle with Non-Muslims
Date Posted: 25 September 2009 at 10:08pm
Asslamu Alaikum Wa Rahmtu Allah Wa Barakatuh
Dears, this maybe strange for me but in fact I am talking seriously.
I , myself, never respect any religion except Islam.
I do not participate in the interfaith dialogues but I follow these forums. I think that some of you have been a little bit harsh with some non-Muslims, I understand. But wanted to say Allah is the only one who can bring the faith in their hearts, they need your help. You may not respect their believes but I mean what is if we respect them, themselves??be so kind with them and avoid addressing them directly by their mistakes. We are not against people, we are against their false thoughts and believes. Why do not we show them the great love and respect? One day they will become Muslims ... why not!! If not they will love Muslims and may invite someone to be a Muslim. Do you believe that someone invited his son to Islam while he was not Muslim?? Here is the story form Hadith, form the life of my beloved prophet Muhammed peace be upon him.
It was
mentioned in Sahih Al Bukhari that Anas may Allah be pleased with him
said: �There was a Jewish boy who served the Prophet peace be upon him.
One day he became sick and the Prophet visited him. He peace be upon
him sat near the boy�s head and told him: �Embrace Islam�. The boy
looked at his father and the father told his son: �Obey Abu Al Qasim
-Mohammad peace be upon him-�. The boy embraced Islam. When the prophet
peace be upon him left the boy�s house He said: �Praise and
thanksgiving to Allah that He saved him from hellfire�.
------------- And whoever seeks a religion other than Isl�m, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers(3:85)
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Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 26 September 2009 at 4:15am
Asalaam Alaikum,
Thank you Full of Hopes. I agree. And its about how WE behave. No matter what anyone says, the souls is sacred. And Allah made those souls. Two other points, if I can find the exact info, but there was a man who fought the Prophet (PBUH) for 19 years before he became Muslim.
Another is, if anyone has heard of Michael Wolfe, he is a writer of current time. He said he had thought of becoming a Muslim for 20 years!
And Allah knows best.
------------- When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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Posted By: Gibbs
Date Posted: 26 September 2009 at 12:15pm
No offense but the above story only shows (in my opinion) an ooportunistic chance at converting someone who is sick. If in fact all the Abrhamaic faiths have at least some truth why convert someone? If the message is being kind to non-muslims (in hopes of possibly converting them) how do I know your intentions are truly kind? Don't be kind to me because you may make Islam look positive, be kind to me because it is the right thing.
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Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 26 September 2009 at 2:02pm
------------- �No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.�
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Posted By: Full of Hopes
Date Posted: 26 September 2009 at 4:33pm
May Allah bless you all sisters, in fact I mean we should represent Islam and as sister Shasta'sAunt, may Allah bless her said, we aim to do dawa in everything in our life and invite others by our behavoir into Islam. I did not mean, to be weak. The good moral doesn't mean being weak. Allah knows my intention,. In fact I mean if prophet Muhammed, peace be upon him was not good and gentle with this family, the father would not ask the boy to obey him. You knwo how it feels to Jews when they convert. What makes this man allow his dearest person, his son, too be a Muslim?? He could easily prevent him, but the way the prophet peace be upon him, treated them.
I mean the way he, peace be upon him, treated non- Muslims made them love Islam and be Muslims and we are following his steps.
------------- And whoever seeks a religion other than Isl�m, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers(3:85)
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Posted By: _ALI_
Date Posted: 28 September 2009 at 3:28am
Salam Gibbs(=bold)
No offense but the above story only shows (in my opinion) an ooportunistic chance at converting someone who is sick. If in fact all the Abrhamaic faiths have at least some truth why convert someone?
Abrahamic faiths have many things in common but their fundamentals are different. Christians say that Jesus is god, which goes against the Muslim concept of one and only God. And Jews reject prophets Jesus and Muhammad, sent by God. How can God allow heaven for those who associate partners with Him or those who reject His prophets (according to Islam)? That is why conversion to Islam is necessary for salvation
Peace
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Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 28 September 2009 at 12:36pm
We are suppose to be hard on the Kuffar and easy on the Mumin and kind to everyone.May Allah accept all of our intentions?
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Posted By: Zaharah
Date Posted: 28 September 2009 at 3:36pm
May Allah have mercy on all of us!
Zaharah
------------- CHANGE- Let's change the way we eat, the way we live and the way we treat each other. You see the old way wasn't working, so it's on us to do what we gotta do to survive.
Tupac A. Shakur...
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Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 28 September 2009 at 9:00pm
Akhe Abdullah wrote:
We are suppose to be hard on the Kuffar and easy on the Mumin and kind to everyone.May Allah accept all of our intentions? | "easy on the Mumin" I say this alot because we have Muslims that will turn their backs on their own brothers and sisters in an effort to sway non-Muslims into accepting us.Some will be the first to condem the actions of their brothers beforeknowing if he is guilty of the charges,What about being easy on the believers?For example the case of the brothers accused of trying to make a bomb to commit terrorist acts (with fingernail polish or peroxide).I'm not even trying to disagree with anyone just trying to say,be careful Shayton is always trying to trick us.Only Allah Knows.
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Posted By: Full of Hopes
Date Posted: 28 September 2009 at 9:29pm
Brother Akhe Abdullah, I do understand what you want to say. I guess you mean this aya:
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Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 28 September 2009 at 10:04pm
Full of Hopes wrote:
I think that some of you have been a little bit harsh with some non-Muslims, I understand.� But wanted to say Allah is the only one who can bring the faith in their hearts, they need your help. we are against their false thoughts and believes.�Why do not we show them the great love and respect?� | Wa Alaikum As Salam Wa RahmatuAllahi Wa Barakatu. Sister F.O.H. May Allah make it easy for us.It's hard not to be harsh on them when they say ill things and such even about our beloved Prophet(SAW) and after we present them with Hadith,Qur'an.You know how it feels I now you do.Some of the non-Muslims here believe deeply in their faith and Only with Allahs Help we can get threw to them,May Allah forgive me if im wrong for saying this, is it our jobs to convert anyone?Or just to conviegh the message?I know that we dont want to turn anyone away from the Deen,but what does the Qur'an say? When the Truth has come to those and they reject it only Allah can lead them.This is huge problem that you say."we are against their false thoughts and believes."This is their lifestyle.That contradicts even there own belifes.Thats against everything that is Al Islam.Again May Allah Help us.You know even the early Muslims failed to convert the Monogols of Spain and when they left so did any reminder that they have ever been there(Ahmed Deedot).Dawah or Destruction.This might not be word for word but it reminds me,We have to do our job
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Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 28 September 2009 at 10:21pm
Full of Hopes wrote:
| MashAllah May Allah Bless you
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Posted By: Full of Hopes
Date Posted: 28 September 2009 at 10:22pm
I know and do understand you fully, brother Akhe Abdullah. I told you I am proud of all Muslims who can tell the non-Muslims the truth frankly and show them our strength. They have to know the truth but in other cases. I mean when they are showing the respect to your faith and when they need your help, I know you will do it. We know how it is hard to see a non_Muslim. Because we know Islam is the truth, we feel our hearts full of mercy. We do not want them to die non_Muslims because they will be in the hell fire for ever. It is hard I know. But we even the prophets, peace be upon them , just tell the truth and Allah is the only one who can bring faith in the hearts. On the day of judgment every one will follow the thing he used to worship. Some will follow the stones, some will follow the fire, some worshiped cows and Jesus. peace be upon him will say: I DID NOT TELL THEM TO WORSHIP ME. I know it is hard to think of someone put in our fire today but how if that is the hell fire!!!!!! It is hard. My beloved prophet Muhammed peace be upon him, use to feel great sorrow for those who do not believe. His relatives and beloved people until Allah told him this truth: file:///C:%5CUsers%5CSahumah%5CAppData%5CLocal%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml -
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those who receive guidance. And whoever seeks a religion other than Isl�m, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers(3:85)
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Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 28 September 2009 at 10:37pm
Salams F.O.H JazakAllah Khieran,for the reply I agree with you.May Allah reward our efforts with the highest of His Jannah.(Ameen)
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Posted By: Zaharah
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 8:22am
Assalimu Alaikum Brother Akhe Abdullah and Sister Full of Hopes, May Allah continue to bless you both.
I'm not even trying to disagree with anyone just trying to say,be careful Shayton is always trying to trick us.Only Allah Knows. (orig posted by Bro Akhe Abdullah)
I agree with this 100% shatan is always on his job ! Esp since Ramadan is over,
Allah Help Us!
Zaharah
------------- CHANGE- Let's change the way we eat, the way we live and the way we treat each other. You see the old way wasn't working, so it's on us to do what we gotta do to survive.
Tupac A. Shakur...
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Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 10:51am
Akhe Abdullah wrote:
Akhe Abdullah wrote:
We are suppose to be hard on the Kuffar and easy on the Mumin and kind to everyone.May Allah accept all of our intentions? | "easy on the Mumin" I say this alot because we have Muslims that will turn their backs on their own brothers and sisters in an effort to sway non-Muslims into accepting us.Some will be the first to condem the actions of their brothers beforeknowing if he is guilty of the charges,What about being easy on the believers?For example the case of the brother accused of trying to make a bomb to commit terrorist acts (with fingernail polish or peroxide).I'm not even trying to disagree with anyone just trying to say,be careful Shayton is always trying to trick us.Only Allah Knows. | NYC terror suspect pleads not guilty, kept in jail
Tom Hays, Associated Press Writer � 1 hr 36 mins ago
NEW YORK � An Afghan immigrant pleaded not guilty Tuesday to plotting a New York City terrorist attack with bombs made from beauty-supply chemicals and was ordered held without bail.
A lawyer for 24-year-old Denver airport shuttle driver Najibullah Zazi entered the plea in a federal courtroom in Brooklyn. Officials say he and co-conspirators bought products in Colorado containing hydrogen peroxide and acetone � key ingredients for homemade bombs.
Prosecutors believe Zazi received explosives training from al-Qaida in Pakistan and may have planned to target mass transit in the New York City area.
"I'd like to stop this rush to judgment because what I've seen so far does not amount to a conspiracy," said Zazi's attorney, J. Michael Dowling.
A law enforcement official confirmed Monday that investigators had identified three people believed to have been in on the scheme. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation continues.
The accomplices are suspected of traveling from New York City to suburban Denver this summer and using stolen credit cards to help Zazi stockpile bomb ingredients, authorities have said.
"I don't know the names of anybody else that allegedly conspired with Mr. Zazi," Dowling said Tuesday. "Those names have not been produced."
Before authorities made a series of raids in the case, police detectives showed a source � a Queens imam at a mosque where Zazi had once worshipped � photographs of him and three people considered possible suspects, court papers say. It was unclear whether those three were the same ones suspected of traveling to Denver.
There have been no reports that the bomb-making materials have been recovered.
Prosecutors allege that Zazi has admitted that while living in Queens, he traveled last year to Pakistan and received explosives training from al-Qaida. Security videos and store receipts show that when he returned and moved to Aurora, Colo., he and three others bought several bottles of beauty products over the course of several weeks, court papers said.
On Sept. 6, Zazi took some of his products into a Colorado hotel room outfitted with a stove on which he later left acetone residue, authorities said. He repeatedly sought another person's help cooking up the bomb, "each communication more urgent in tone than the last," the papers said.
The FBI was listening to Zazi and becoming increasingly concerned as the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and a New York visit by President Barack Obama approached, officials said. They decided to track him on Sept. 9 when he rented a car and drove to New York.
On Sept. 10, Zazi told the Queens imam in an intercepted phone call that he feared he was being watched, court papers said. The imam later tipped Zazi off, saying police had come around and asked questions, the papers said.
Zazi cut short a five-day trip and flew back to Denver on Sept. 12. He was arrested a week later and initially charged along with his father and the imam with lying to investigators.
A letter filed by Brooklyn prosecutors last week argued that Zazi should be jailed indefinitely because, as an immigrant with ties to Pakistan, he could flee, and because he "poses a significant danger" to the community.
Evidence gathered � including bomb-making instructions found on his laptop computer � shows "Zazi remained committed to detonating an explosive device" until he was arrested, the letter said.
Zazi's next court date has been set for Dec. 3.
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Posted By: Zaharah
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 11:02am
wow
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Tupac A. Shakur...
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Posted By: Full of Hopes
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 7:35pm
I know that the strong believer Muslim has to worry too much for his/her faith and pray to Allah, the Needless, to keep him a Muslim until the death moment. Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him used to pray a lot: "Ya Muqallibal Qulubi, thabbit qalbi a'la dinik".
"O Controller of Hearts !, make me steadfast in your deen (Islam)"
So if the leader Prophet Muhammed, peace be upon him, cared too much for his faith WHAT ARE WE?
I believe that we should be so careful form shytan tricks specially when we deal with non_Muslims.
May Allah protect us.
May Allah have mercy on us...
------------- And whoever seeks a religion other than Isl�m, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers(3:85)
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Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 3:31am
Asalaam Alaikum Akhe,
I believe it is up to Allah.
We think that if we just 'say' the truth that it will click with people. As a revert I can say it did not work that way for me. It takes self-analysis and work. And really what message are we sending? Honestly, most of us do not have the depth of knowledge to actually be able to have a dialogue. Say on this board, most is: one quotes the Quran, the other quotes the Bible and back and forth.
In my recent lecture, the Sheikh it talking about how the Prophet (PBUH) was VERY patient with people. He never yelled at people. He is our model of gentleness and kindness.
And I would even argue, we cannot even begin to understand why things are the way they are... many people not born into Islam or hear the message. (And I do not agree that people who hear a distorted version of Islam are hearing 'Islam.')
I have no problem being nice to nonMuslims.. most Muslims here are not my good friends here in the US. I live in a nonMuslim world. And when they say some people are in 'darkness' they are right. And that is the way it is.
And I would actually argue that some people should not try and do Dawah.. they don't understand where people are coming from. If you never grew up and were raised as a nonMuslim you often cannot put yourself in those shoes.
And patience and prayer and really important.
Hayfa
------------- When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 10:08am
Full of Hopes wrote:
�I know that the strong believer Muslim has to worry too much for his/her faith and pray to Allah, the Needless, to keep him a Muslim until the death moment. Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him used to pray a lot:� "Ya Muqallibal Qulubi, thabbit qalbi a'la dinik".�"O Controller of Hearts !, make me steadfast� in your deen (Islam)"�So if the leader Prophet Muhammed, peace be upon him, cared too much for his faith WHAT ARE WE?� I believe that we should be so careful form shytan tricks specially when we deal with non_Muslims.�May Allah protect us.�May Allah have mercy on us... | Ameen.As Salamu Alaikum [IMG]smileys/smiley1.gif" align="middle" /> F.O.H JazakAllah Kheiran for sharing that.May Allah Bless us all with the highest of His Jannah
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Posted By: Zaharah
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 10:11am
Assalimu Alaikum Brother Akhe Abdullah,
Amen...
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Tupac A. Shakur...
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Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 10:25am
Wa Alaikum As Salam Wa RahmatuAllahi Wa Barakatu ,Sister Hayfa.JazakAllah Kheiran for your reply.It is true what you are saying.I have found out while actually doing dawah work that the Christians who dont practise their faith are easier to at least hear you out,some just dont want to give up the lifestyle that they have been use to living in this dunya(one of the biggest problems even for some new-Muslims)family issues are another,and the ones with the strongest belife in there faith are the hardest.Alhamduillah dispite all the negatives Al-Islam is still growing May Allah strengthen our knowledge of deen. May Allah strengthen our Iman
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Posted By: Full of Hopes
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 10:25pm
Asslamu Alaikum
Yes!! you are right brother and all of you. The problem occurs when you
are not giving your mind any time to work just because you believe that
something is 100% true. That is why relatives of prophet Muhammad peace
be upon him and many
kuffar of his time were saying: we knew that from our grandparents and
will never change it. We all have to get ready to accept the truth
about anything in this life and have the bravery to change our life according to it.
I am not saying cast doubts on everything in your life but I
am saying give your mind and heart time to work and think of everything
in your life. I will not take you away form the topic but I am saying,
every one must have some time A LONE
with him/herself;without seeing any one and without having any work to do
or to worry about. This is what is called in Arabic (Khulwah). On this
time you think deeply about your life, your faith, your Creator and
everything around you. Ask yourself if you have been doing good? Have
you been preparing yourself for dying any moment? Even ask yourself are
you a good Muslim? Why are you Muslim? ... Think of this nature.. who
could put everything in its order? What controls our life and luck?
This is what prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, used to do in Hiraa' Cave before Gabriel, peace be upon him, came to him.
So if any one even non-Muslim or even know nothing about God have some
time to meditation, he will reach the truth. But many stick to what
they believe in and never give this mind the time to work. Many know
that Islam is the truth but do not have the enough bravery to convert.
There are many reasons. But even form the days of prophet Muhammad ,
peace be upon him,
(Abu Jahil said: I am sure that Muhammad is telling
the truth but if I believe in him, his grandfathers AbdulMuttalib family will be leaders of us.)
Do not think that all of those who do not convert do not that
Islam is the truth but their time of being a Muslim did not come yet
and may never come. Allah is the ONLY one who knows.
But I am still on my point.
After everything I said, non_Muslims are human beings who feel, love and want to be loved and respected like us.
Love and respect have a strong influence on the human heart no matter
what it believes in. Even when someone shows you the hate and ignorance
but you show the love and care you will defeat him but with your kindness and generosity. You are the winner at the end.
May Allah guide us and help us to thank Him the way He deserves for guiding us into Islam. I pay witness that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is His messenger.
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Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 1:52am
Ameen,Salams Sister F.O.H.Im with you on that.May Allah give us the patience to deal with non-Muslims.This is something that we all need first and foremost along with proper knowledge in which every Muslim newly revert or not should be able to tell non-Muslims about the basics of Al-Islam.(InshAllah)May Allah Help us.
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Posted By: Full of Hopes
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 12:45pm
Also brother, I need to say, the generosity and kindness in the wrong
place is weakness. If any non-Muslim dare to say mistakes about Allah
or mock Islam we must show our strength. Allah is Great, one of the
prophet's peace be upon him duaa, says by the meaning because I am
sorry I do not remember all of it. He asked Allah to make him say the
word of truth in all cases whenever he is angry or pleased.
So mix kindness+ strength+ strong imaan+ bravery to state the truth+ love and respect.
I am telling you and every one so because we work together for the
same aim for this deen and you can do many things I can not do, you
know many thing I do have any idea about.. so we do the dawa together.
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