for Justice in Palestine... It's Time
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Topic: for Justice in Palestine... It's Time
Posted By: zeinelnour
Subject: for Justice in Palestine... It's Time
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 4:31am
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�There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come� - Victor Hugo � This is the latest video in a series that I have been posting. I would really appreciate feedback as well as topic suggestions for the next video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFI4VHp0S9w - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFI4VHp0S9w For those of you who do not view the Israeli regime as racist, this thread is not really for you... Kul 3am wa Antom Bi Kheir |
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Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 8:36pm
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zeinelnour it is an awful situation in Palestine as per the video...did it ever occur to you bro. when the Jews were planning to settle in Palestine what were the Muslims doing in general and the Arabs in particular? It didn't happen overnight they took their time in planning and executing the whole thing... IMHO they had walked away from the practices of Islam and occupation by the western colonial powers hand in hand with Jewish bankers was the net result in creation of state Israel ... at the same time tremendous rise of Jewish folks in the western power structures of all walks of life, you name it and they were there topping all it was the creation and control of the almighty US dollar..rest was easy! Just look at the contrast on the battle field... the camel riding Arabs mired in illiteracy & ignorance coming face to face with dedicated Jews with state of the art war machines and won the battle that created Israel on Palestinian soil...Must be a very sad scenario I can imagine...Then they went further to defeat the combined armies of Syria, Egypt, Jordan etc to solidify their hold... What difference does it make now if we call Israeli regime as racist, all colonial powers were racist , read the bible(Galatians)...The problem is that vanquished party has no respect and status, they become non entity for the victors... You need to realize that as long as the Arabs are divided and controlled by Anglo American sponsored states, the situation has no prospects of improvement...Just count the number of the Jews in current US administration's top slots...Obama went through motions telling Israel to stop settlement activity I think it has fallen on the deaf ears...And there is no iteration on that call... and then the US secretary of state is AWOL! Does any one know what Hillary is up to! Btw...did it ever occur to you Google and You Tube are Jewish owned systems that you used to post this video! ------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 18 September 2009 at 8:52am
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�The Never-Before-Campaign calls for a new approach to support Palestine, and its people, their cause and their resistance movements. This new approach veers away from the traditional competitions for victim-hood which usually seek to elicit the worlds pity. Pity only yields sympathy.� �The West and the whole world are at fault here, not the Palestinian people or the resistance movements. The Campaign addresses that issue: Palestine will not wait for Western remorse that always comes too late, such as for the Holocaust, Rwanda and South Africa.� http://www.youtube.com/user/neverbeforecampaign - http://www.youtube.com/user/neverbeforecampaign The videos are slick and well done, however the campaign, in my opinion, offers nothing but more suffering, pain, bloodshed and misery for the |
Posted By: zeinelnour
Date Posted: 22 September 2009 at 1:02am
Thank you for your comments, and for taking the time to read and analyze the rationale of the campaign. I have no idea who you are so I will not go into a debate about intentions. However, your post above, intentionally or unintentionally makes the following underlying points: 1. Restricts the act of resistance and/or confronting injustice to military activities by Palestinian resistance factions, thereby totally marginalizing other acts of resistance. 2. Lays the blame of Palestinian suffering and killed women and children on Palestinian resistance factions, indirectly relieving the Israeli regime from any responsibility. 3. Goes even further to blame the Palestinian resistance factions themselves for the lack of peace (no mention of justice), implying that the cause of the conflict is Palestinian resistance. 4. Calls for the surrender of the Palestinian people, under the pretext of "living in peace" and taking excuses away from the Zionists. So now you tell me: which rhetoric pleases the Zionists? |
abuayisha wrote:Posted By: SteppeNomad
Date Posted: 22 September 2009 at 7:32pm
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Oh just shut it, he didnt blame anyone or tell anyone to surrender.
You do relize this brother is a Muslim? Uve almost made him out to be a zionist.
No wonder the job of the Zionists is so easy eh? Idiots like you definitly please Zionists. If u hate Zionist so much cross over the border and Fight them instead of putting words into the brothers mouth. Ull do those innocent Children and Women a favour instead of pulling cheap bravery shots at your fellow Muslims when Israelis raped your land.
Good luck
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Posted By: zeinelnour
Date Posted: 23 September 2009 at 2:27am
Did you even read his post? Here is what he said, and what it entails:
Translation: it is the resistance's fault that Palestinian women and children are suffering and dying (i.e. stop the resistance so that Palestinian innocents would stop suffering.)
Translation: (in light of the above) a campaign is needed to stop Palestinian resistance which is the cause for the lack of peace and the deaths of Palestinian civilians.
Well, if his rhetoric serves the zionists, (again even if it is unintentional), i will not hesitate to point that out, even if he is a Muslim brother.
If I do cross the border and fight, then people like you and your friend above would accuse me of appeasing the Zionists... I thought you didn't want any resistance.
Oh. I thought that Palestine was a Muslim land... for all Muslims. __ |
Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 23 September 2009 at 10:16am
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Everyone,
It is imperative that we comply with the guidelines; failing to do so may result in one's suspension or even ban. ------------- Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? Qur'an 55:13 |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 23 September 2009 at 1:46pm
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With respect to �The Never-Before-Campaign� I simply see litte benefit or stradegy in highlighting bravado, when the situation in the territories is pretty much antithetical to your video presentations. The Zionist are an occupying force, therefore indeed they are responsible for the suffering and loss of life, but this point is all but meaningless to women and children who suffer on a daily basis. Yes, by all means, surrender the useless qasaam rockets and immigrate to have a future for your families, or develop a |
Posted By: SteppeNomad
Date Posted: 23 September 2009 at 3:20pm
Id love to know what the next excuse of the people of the region would be for not defending their honour. Mama didnt give premission, or shaykh oil said theres no honour in defending your land?
Seems like some people are just too ashamed to admit those kids throwing stones at tanks are braver then the Zionist murderers as well as Hamas, Hezbollah, and Fatah members shooting fire crackers in the air during the funeral of these kids and poor women......
Anyone else you want to blame for not defending your land or crossing the border? apart from Zionist "sympathizers" here?
Palestine is not my land.
 If it was, wouldnt be here talking to you.Plus your notion was killed by Palestinians themselves 100 years ago.
wiki source:
 The flag is constituted of three equal horizontal stripes (black, white and green from top to bottom) overlaid by a red isosceles right triangle issuing from the hoist. (See /wiki/Pan-Arab_colors - .) The flag is almost identical to that of the /wiki/Baath_Party - and very similar to the flags of /wiki/Flag_of_Western_Sahara - , /wiki/Flag_of_Sudan - and /wiki/Flag_of_Jordan - ; all of these draw their ultimate inspiration from the flag of the /wiki/Arab_Revolt - against /wiki/Ottoman_Empire - rule (1916-1918), which had the same graphic form, but the colours were arranged differently than in the modern flags (white on the bottom rather than in the middle). Anyway If you can be so aggresive to Muslims here who care about women and children yet you call them Zionist, then im sure a super hero like you should be defending what he sees as his "land".
Plus you dont need to surrender to Zionists, you already have, so instead of being here i suggest you try drive them to the sea instead of a gandhi approach, or allying with commies or the famous Pali approach of fire crackers at funerals id suggest you fight for "your land" instead of running and blaming others.
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Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 24 September 2009 at 8:18am
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As Salamu Alaikum Zeinelnour, welcome to the forum.I applaude your creativity.It's ok to dream and it's ok to recieve ones critisizm when asked for it,The truth is no one of here knows first hand what you been through, I love all Muslims everywhere, I am commanded to,Have your dreams brother,Now reality is a different situation.Only Allah knows if we all join together Muslims from everywhere what will happen perhaps "armagedon" it would be suicidal and even though I hate whats happening there "Peace" will be more logical than "bloodshed" The zionist will have to answer to Allah eventually.It's simply to complicated for me to think of "Death" is better than to live being "oppressed" Ive read,And I think you are just presenting your views to some who are giving the zionist to much credit or it's because of our love for Palestine that we dont what the zionist to blow Palestine off the map.May Allah Help us
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Posted By: zeinelnour
Date Posted: 24 September 2009 at 10:04am
Thank you for your sympathizing words, in contrast of the previous uncalled for attacks. Although I may disagree with you to a certain extent, I respect your opinions and views regarding the Palestinian cause. It is really unfortunate that, as you said, some people give the zionists too much credit, and immediately assume a defeatist attitude. However, I want to point out something that may not know: I may be true that in our culture, it is indeed better to die standing up, than live on your knees, but that is not the entire story here. We have reached a point where even surrender was not an option that the zionists would accept. The quieter the fronts get, the more the zionists push towards humiliating and starving the Palestinian people. The killing of Palestinians, the abductions, the home demolitions, the confiscations (within the 1967 borders) and settlements did not stop during the 90s when the resistance movements put their weapons down. Patience was the name of the game back then. And believe me, the zionists would not have stopped before making it impossible for Palestinians to live in Palestine and eventually leaving. As for violent resistance as a means, we know that the price is high. We know that all too well. But we were paying that same price without resistance anyway, only in a slower and masked manner. Then it was time to say enough is enough: it is time to fight back, to break the silence. and this is what happened. We know that liberating our land cannot be done solely militarily through armed resistance, but we also know that it will not be liberated without it. This is briefly the rationale of resistance, presented with the risk of seeming apologetic. |
Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 25 September 2009 at 3:16pm
| As Salamu Alaikum Wa RahmatuAllahi Wa Barakatu Brother Zeinelnour.I understand where you are coming from,My ancestors(former slaves)use to have a saying give me freedom or give me death.Someone eventually has to die for the cause.like you say it's a high price. I would like to apologise to the people of Palestine and I also ask Allah to forgive us. (US tax payers including Muslims who pay taxes,The US is using this money to build weapons for Israel).I try thinking that if I didnt know what was going on that Im not at faught.maybe true,but I still feel bad,These Kufars are truelly Shaytons little helpers. |
Posted By: Meditations
Date Posted: 26 September 2009 at 1:13am
AsSalam Alaykoum zeinelnour I will not go into the political side From artistic viewpoint, If I were you I would make the text showing the racism laws movement slower than it is right now Goodluck AsSalam Alaykoum |
Posted By: Meditations
Date Posted: 26 September 2009 at 1:35am
AsSalam Alaykoum Akhe Abdullah you brought up an interesting topic Isn't there a way to get around this ? I'm not a US citizen, but I think there're islamic organizations which you can donate to and get this deducted from your taxes ? This could be a useful thing where you don't support what you feel is wrong, while also supporting muslim organizations Anyone can shed some light on this ? AsSalam Alaykoum |
Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 12:24pm
| Wa Alaikum As Salam Mediations,JazakAllah Khieran for the reply,I'll try and ask someone who knows(InshAllah) |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 4:45pm
Some people/organizations tried to go around the system they were caught and were sent to jail... Let every one here get this the US & western monetary system is set up of the Jews by the Jews and for the Jews in most part...the rest of the people are part beneficiaries if they are smart enough to be politically correct and utter nothing against the Jews and or Israel and take some advantage of the system otherwise it is just a grind to pay bills, taxes and mortgage to the banksters... ------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
Posted By: Meditations
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 3:44pm
What did they do / were trying to do that had them sent to jail ? I wasn't implying doing something 'illegal' but rather finding a legal work around if one exists, that is AsSalam Alaykoum |
Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 3:50am
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Washington, 29 September (WashingtonTV)�Khaled Meshaal, leader of the Palestinian militant group Hamas, said on Tuesday that Palestinian factions are close to an agreement on Egypt�s proposals for Palestinian reconciliation. Hamas and Fatah, the party of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, have been divided since Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip in June 2007. Meshaal met the head of Egyptian intelligence, Omar Suleiman, in Cairo, to give his answers to the proposals, the BBC reports. Suleiman has played a key role in unity talks between Hamas and Fatah, as well as in indirect negotiations between Hamas and Israel, according to AFP. Mahmoud Zahar, a senior Hamas representative, said that the movement�s response to the initiative had been �positive�, reports the Jerusalem Post. Fatah has already agreed to the Egyptian proposal. Meshaal said that he had suggested changes that he would like to see in the final draft, which he would like to sign by the end of October, according to the BBC. Egypt has twice postponed the scheduled date for the signing of the reconciliation agreement, because of continuing disagreements between the two sides. Sources: BBC News, Jerusalem Post, Agence France-Presse � WashingtonTV 2009. All rights reserved. |
Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 3:58am
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Abbas praises Obama, slams 'Israeli intransigence'Story Highlights
Abbas said Obama gives Palestinian people "much hope" Abbas delivered address Friday to the U.N. General Assembly Abbas slammed Israel's "unjust siege on the Gaza strip," earlier this year updated 5:55 p.m. EDT, Fri September 25, 2009Next Article in World � Read VIDEO UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas on Friday accused Israel of blocking steps toward peace, just a day after Israel's prime minister defended a military offensive in Gaza. From left, Israeli President Benjamin Netanyahu, President Obama and PA President Mahmoud Abbas. 1 of 2 Delivering an address to the U.N. General Assembly, Abbas also said President Obama has given the Palestinian people "much hope." Citing efforts by the United States and other nations to bring peace to the region, Abbas said, "all of these active efforts and initiatives, which have been welcomed and supported by us and by the Arab states, are, however, confronted with Israeli intransigence, which refuses to adhere to the requirements for relaunching the peace process." "How is it conceivable that negotiations can be held on the borders and on Jerusalem at the same time that Israeli bulldozers are working to change the reality on the ground with the aim of creating a new reality and imposing borders as Israel desires?" He slammed Israel's "unjust siege on the Gaza strip," condemning the three-week military offensive earlier this year that left "thousands of casualties among civilians." Abbas spoke a day after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, during his address, condemned the U.N. Human Rights Council's "biased and unjust" report on Israel's Gaza offensive -- which he said was "falsely equating terrorists with those they targeted." Netanyahu said Hamas militants fired rockets into Israel from Gaza "for eight long years" but a resolution hadn't passed condemning those attacks. He said Israel hoped it would get peace when it withdrew from Gaza in 2005. As he called attention to the militants' strikes on Israel, Netanyahu said under the "twisted standards" of the U.N. Human Rights Council, U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill would have been "dragged ... to the dock as war criminals." Don't Miss Obama prepares for foreign policy challenges Israel on Iran: All options still on table Obama to host talks Obama drops demand on Israeli settlements "Faced with an enemy committing a double war crime, of firing on civilians, while hiding behind civilians, Israel sought to conduct surgical strikes directed against the rocket launchers themselves. ... Never has a country gone to such extraordinary lengths to remove the enemy's civilian population from harm's way." Abbas, in his remarks, did not mention Israeli victims of Palestinian terrorist attacks. Netanyahu, noting the United Nations in 1947 voted to establish a Jewish and an Arab state, said the "Arabs rejected it and invaded the embryonic Jewish state with the hopes of annihilating it." Watch Netanyahu address peace, settlements � "We asked the Palestinians to finally do what they refused to do for 62 years, say yes to a Jewish state. As simple, as clear, as elementary as that, just as we are asked to recognize a nation-state for the Palestinian people. The Palestinians must be asked to recognize the nation-state of the Jewish people. The Jewish people are not foreign conquerors in the land of Israel. It is the land of our forefathers." Abbas referred to the events of 1948 using the Arab term "the catastrophe," and said the United Nations "is a living witness" to hundreds of resolutions calling on Israel to take certain actions "that have not been implemented." Watch Abbas speak to U.N. General Assembly � He slammed "Israel's colonial occupation." "President Barack Obama has given much hope to our people and the peoples of the region when he announced his vision of a peace agreement on the basis of a two-state solution and the cessation of all settlement activities." Watch Obama: 'We have to find a way forward' � He said he "would like to express appreciation" for Obama's U.N. speech earlier in the week "in which he affirmed the necessity for ending the occupation that began in 1967 and the illegitimacy of the settlements." Abbas is a leader of Fatah, which controls the West Bank. Hamas -- a rival political party listed by the United States and Israel as a terrorist organization -- controls Gaza. Though Abbas did not mention Hamas by name, he referred to efforts "to end the ongoing coup in the Gaza strip and restore our national unity." |
Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 4:04am
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Fatah to Abbas: no talks without settlement freeze
Buzz up!13 votes Send Email IM Share Delicious Digg Facebook Fark Newsvine Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Twitter Yahoo! Bookmarks Print Play Video Mideast Video:Israel to free prisoners in exchange for soldier video AFP Play Video Mideast Video:Beauty bug bites Lebanon's littlest ones AFP Play Video Mideast Video:Palestinian 'SNL'? FOX News By MOHAMMED DARAGHMEH, Associated Press Writer Mohammed Daraghmeh, Associated Press Writer � Wed Sep 30, 11:56 am ET RAMALLAH, West Bank � Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been told by his Fatah movement that he must not resume peace talks unless Israel freezes its settlement construction, a senior Fatah member said Wednesday. Fatah's position could help Abbas stand up to U.S. pressure to return to talks with Israel. Last week, President Barack Obama told Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that negotiations must resume as quickly as possible, without preconditions. Obama admonished both leaders to stop wasting time. Israeli and Palestinian negotiators are holding separate followup meetings in Washington this week with Obama's Mideast envoy, George Mitchell, who hopes to bring the sides back to the negotiating table. Abbas has repeatedly said he would not return to talks without a freeze in Israeli settlements, which is mandated by a U.S.-backed peace plan. Israel refuses to comply, offering at best to slow construction for a limited period. The Obama administration was initially adamant about a halt to construction, but appears to have softened its stance after failing to make headway with the Israeli government on the issue. Fatah's Central Committee, the movement's key decision-making body, met late Tuesday with Abbas to discuss his options following last week's trilateral meeting with Obama and Netanyahu. Mohammed Dahlan, a committee member, said the panel told Abbas he must not budge. "Settlements and negotiations are two parallel lines that will never meet," Dahlan told The Associated Press. The settlements are being built in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, areas captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast War and sought by the Palestinians for a future state. Nearly half a million Israelis have moved to these areas over the past four decades. Palestinians argue that the continued construction is a major show of bad faith by Israel since the settlements gobble up more and more land. The settler population has increased by tens of thousands since the start of peace talks in 1993. Netanyahu says some construction must be allowed to accommodate what he calls "natural growth" in the settler population. Dahlan said the 23-member committee was also unanimous in its demand that the agenda of the negotiations be defined ahead of time. Netanyahu's predecessor, Ehud Olmert, held a series of talks with Abbas last year and agreed to tackle all so-called core issues, including a possible partition of Jerusalem. Netanyahu says Jerusalem is off-limits and says he is not bound by any promises made by Olmert. Dahlan said he believes the Obama administration is "putting pressure on the Palestinians since they are the weakest party in the process." "There is systematic backtracking by President Obama," Dahlan said. " There is a changing of the foundations and reference points of the negotiations, and therefore I don't expect a quick return to negotiations." |