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Topic: The Dove World Outreach: "Islam is of the devil."
Posted By: semar
Subject: The Dove World Outreach: "Islam is of the devil."
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 12:04am
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090708/ARTICLES/907081008?Title=Anti-Islam-church-sign-stirs-up-community-outrage


Anti-Islam church sign stirs up community outrage
The Dove World Outreach Center in northwest Gainesville posted a sign that says "Islam is of the devil."



By Lise Fisher & Karen Voyles
Staff Writers

Published: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 at 6:01 a.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 at 11:04 p.m.


Those behind a sign posted in front of their northwest Gainesville church, proclaiming in red letters "Islam is of the devil," say it's a way to express their religious beliefs and is a message of "a great act of love."

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Some living near the Dove World Outreach Center, however, are outraged and disappointed with the sign's message, which has sparked protests and acts of vandalism at the church since it was posted over the weekend.

"It's an act of saying there is only one way, and that is actually what Christianity is about. It is about pointing the people in the right direction, and that right direction is Jesus and only Jesus," said the church's senior pastor, Terry Jones. "We feel the sign is an act of giving the people a chance."

Jones acknowledged not everyone has welcomed the sign.

The church has received about 100 calls in the past 24 hours about the sign, Jones said. One was positive, he said Tuesday.

Since the sign went up, it reportedly has been protested by picketers, successfully torn down in another expression of protest late Sunday, quickly re-erected on Monday, and marred by spray paint before it was repainted and back in place Tuesday morning.

Jones said the acts of vandalism will be reported to police and that there are no plans to remove the sign or change what it says.

"We actually posted the sign because there is a tremendous growth in Islam at this time. It is a violent and oppressive religion and does not have anything to do with the truth of the Bible," Jones said. "We are definitely trying to send the message that Jesus Christ is the only way."

The church's first sign won't be its last, Jones said.

In the future, the message on the sign might change to express the church's beliefs against same-sex marriage or abortion, Jones said. The church also has posted messages on YouTube, he said.

Disapproval for the sign involves some living near the church, who said they were shocked the church would post something they consider to be so divisive.

"When we originally saw it, we were initially very offended. Someone took it down sometime on Sunday, but it was back up on Monday," Aubrey Davies said. "We're sad it is up. It is such a divisive message when it (the sign) could be used to put out a statement of unity."

Laura Roberson, who has lived in the neighborhood for about 11 years, said she has long been curious about the church. When Roberson saw the anti-Islam sign on Monday, she said she was shocked.

"At about 9 p.m., my husband went out for sodas and saw someone had spray-painted over it, but it was brand new and clean again this morning (Tuesday)," Roberson said.

The church was founded in Gainesville in 1986, according to its Web site - www.doveworld.org. Jones said he had been on its board for many years, and when its original founder died, he was asked to take over. Jones, 58, said he came to Gainesville from Cape Girardeau, Mo., at the end of 2001.

Dove World Outreach, which Jones said is a nondenominational, charismatic church, runs the Lisa Jones House, an outreach effort that provides necessities such as furniture, food and clothing.

Jones said, in spite of what the sign says, the church's outreach effort doesn't look at a person's faith when it comes to offering help.

Anyone in need can come and receive free food and clothing, he said.

"We are in no means in that way prejudiced or against them," Jones said.

While the church will continue to make its outreach program available to all people, its message emphasizing the Bible and a belief in Jesus Christ remains firm, he said.

"I think every pastor, every Christian pastor in this city, must be in agreement with the message. They might find the message a little bit too direct, but they must be in agreement with the message because the only way is the Bible and Jesus," Jones said.

The president of the Muslim Association of North Central Florida was calm in his response to the church's sign.

Saeed R. Khan is a University of Florida professor and director of the Center for the Study of Lithiasis and Pathological Calcification at the College of Medicine.

"There are a couple of things on this that come to mind, and first there is freedom of speech," Khan said. "People are free to say, but then society has to think about it. When it becomes inflamed, the reaction on both sides can be detrimental to the people that live there. You have to make some kind of balance."

Khan said he was surprised such a sign would have been erected in Gainesville, a place where he has lived for 30 years without feeling oppressed or discriminated against for his beliefs.

"People generally - if they have something to say - they can come and talk to you," Khan said. "People here are maybe more tolerant of people who are different from you."

"Sometimes when you don't know others, it's easy to demonize someone you don't know," Khan said. "I would rather sit down and see what the issues are."

Jones said he's open to talking to others about the sign and its message. People can come to the church's services, he said.

"We are definitely trying to open up dialogue, create interest, create awareness, get people to think," Jones said.[IMG]http://www.islamicity.com/global/images/photo/Islam/bilde__600x416.JPEG" />

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Salam/Peace,

Semar

"We are people who do not eat until we are hungry and do not eat to our fill." (Prophet Muhammad PBUH)

"1/3 of your stomach for food, 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"



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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 9:28am
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Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 7:05pm

'Devil' shirts send kids home

Four students have been sent home in the first two days of class.

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Wayne Sapp, left, answers questions during a video interview. His daughter, Emily, a 10th grader at Gainesville High School, shows the T-shirt that caused her removal from school.

By mailto:[email protected] - Christopher Curry
Staff writer

Published: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 at 6:01 a.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 at 10:12 p.m.

More children from the Dove World Outreach Center arrived Tuesday at area public schools with shirts bearing the message "Islam is of the Devil" and were sent home for violation of the school district's dress code when they declined to change clothes or cover the anti-Muslim statement on their clothing.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090801/ARTICLES/908011013/1002 - New Dove World Outreach sign again takes aim at Islam
  • School district staff attorney Tom Wittmer said the shirts violated a district ban on clothing that may "disrupt the learning process" or cause other students to be "offended or distracted."

    "Students have a right of free speech, and we have allowed students to come to school wearing clothes with messages," Wittmer said. "But this message is a divisive message that is likely to offend students. Principals, I feel reasonably, have deemed that a violation of the dress code."

    Wittmer said the school district allows students to express their religious beliefs but also must protect other students, such as members of the Muslim faith, from discrimination based on their religious beliefs.

    He said there also has to be equal treatment of different faiths.

    "The next kid might show up with a shirt saying 'Christianity is of the Devil,'" Wittmer said.

    First Amendment scholars said the school district's policy is likely legal and constitutional. Ron Collins, a scholar with the nonprofit First Amendment Center in Washington D.C., said courts give public school officials a "significant amount of latitude" in regulating student dress that could disrupt the classroom or a school function.

    "Here, it's not only a religious expression," Collins said. "It's a religious expression that is hostile to other forms of religious expression."

    Collins did note that student speech is afforded more protection at the college or university level.

    Catherine Cameron, a faculty member at the Stetson College of Law, said the school district "likely has a good leg to stand on from a First Amendment standpoint" because the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled in several cases that public schools may quash speech deemed disruptive "even if it steps on the other child's free speech rights."

    On their front, the T-shirts had a verse from the Gospel of John: "Jesus answered I am the way and the truth and the life; no one goes to the Father except through me," and this statement, "I stand in trust with Dove Outreach Center." The message "Islam is of the Devil" is on the back of the shirt.

    On Monday, a 10-year-old fifth-grader at Talbot Elementary was sent home because of the shirt. On Tuesday, two Eastside High students and one Gainesville High student were sent home and a student at Westwood Middle had to change clothes because of the shirt, according to members of the Dove congregation.

    Dove Senior Pastor Terry Jones said no local company "had the guts" to print the shirts. Dove member Wayne Sapp said he then ordered the shirts over the Internet from a company that allows individuals to design their own shirts. His daughter, Faith Sapp , 10, was the Talbot Elementary student sent home Monday. She said she was allowed to wear the shirt to school on Tuesday - with the Gospel message on the front visible but the anti-Islam message on the back covered.

    Wayne Sapp's daughter, Emily Sapp, 15, was the student sent home from Gainesville High on Tuesday. Both Faith and Emily Sapp said it was their decision, not that of their parents, to wear the shirts to school in order to promote their Christian beliefs. Emily Sapp said the "Islam is of the Devil" statement was aimed at the religion's beliefs, not its members.

    "The people are fine," she said. "The people are people. They can be saved like anyone else."

    Wayne Sapp said he believed the school district's dress code allowed too much room for subjectivity when principals and school administrators determine what is offensive or distracting clothing.

    He added that his children decided it was time to "stand up for what they believe instead of saying the rules might not let me do it" and said that society has grown "so tolerant of being tolerant" that free speech is eroding.

    Jones said that, to him, spreading the church's message was "even more important than education itself."

    All of the Dove members interviewed said that, while they would not like a student wearing a shirt with an anti-Christian message on it to school, they believed students have the right to do it.

    Saeed R. Khan, president of the Muslim Association of North Central Florida, said the anti-Islam message should not be accepted when "schools are supposed to be teaching tolerance for others."

    "It's pretty offensive, isn't it?" Khan said of the message on the back of the shirt. "Particularly in a school setting where you are trying to create an atmosphere where people are supposed to respect each other and live with each other, where we have people of every ethnicity and every religion."

    Jones and Wayne Sapp said congregation members have not decided whether their children will be allowed to continue to go to school with "Islam is of the Devil" visible on their clothing because they want their children to get an education - and that does not happen when they are sent home for violating the dress code.



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    Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
    Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 7:10pm

    New Dove World Outreach sign again takes aim at Islam

    A violent verse from the Quran is displayed, but an Islamic expert says the church's sign does not use the common wording and is taken out of context.

    'New Dove World Outreach sign again takes aim at Islam'; http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090801/ARTICLES/908011013/1002#">
    Brian W. Kratzer/The Gainesville Sun
     
    A new sign that reads "Koran 9:5 Kill the disbelievers wherever you find them" has been placed in front of the Dove World Outreach Center.

    By mailto:[email protected] - Cindy Swirko
    Staff writer

    Published: Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 6:01 a.m.
    Last Modified: Friday, July 31, 2009 at 11:42 p.m.

    A new sign paraphrasing a quote from the Quran has been placed in front of the Dove World Outreach Center in northwest Gainesville, where an earlier anti-Islamic sign has stirred protests.

    The new sign reads "Koran 9:5 Kill the disbelievers wherever you find them." It joins a series of signs that read "Islam is of the devil," which were placed in front of the church recently.

    A church pastor could not be reached Friday for comment.

    Ramzy Kilic, Tampa's executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, who met Tuesday with Dove World Senior Pastor Terry Jones, said the new sign's message is not the common wording on that Quran verse and added it has been isolated from a broader context.

    "Anyone, Muslim or non-Muslim, can take a verse, isolate it and almost formulate it to an idea they want to convey," Kilic said. "When you take something out of context, you are not appreciating the true message of the religion."

    Kilic added, "With the sign, it seems like (Jones) is antagonizing Muslims and wants to continue spreading a message of hate."

    Jones told The Sun in July that the initial sign was "an act of saying there is only one way, and that is actually what Christianity is about. It is about pointing the people in the right direction, and that right direction is Jesus and only Jesus."

    Jones called the sign a "great act of love."

    The first sign drew protesters to the church and greater scrutiny of the church's activities, particularly its role in a for-profit furniture business.

    Barbara Murphey lives near the church and said Friday she saw someone she believes was digging holes for the new sign late Thursday. She said she first saw the sign Friday morning.

    "It bothers me a lot. Don't we have enough hate going on in the world? Do we have to have more of it?" Murphey said.



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    Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
    Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 7:12pm
    They are only doing their Christian duty......

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    Posted By: Sign*Reader
    Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 9:40pm
    Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:


    Barbara Murphey lives near the church and said Friday she saw someone she believes was digging holes for the new sign late Thursday. She said she first saw the sign Friday morning.

    "It bothers me a lot. Don't we have enough hate going on in the world? Do we have to have more of it?" Murphey said.


    As the saying goes "when in a hole stop digging" These bible thumpers don't realize the nation is in a hole capitalistically speaking... and this retarded Islam hating bunch are digging holes to put up anti Islamic signs caught my eye...these idiots don't realize that their hate & hubris has bankrupted the nation's treasury in war campaigns overseas driven with Islamophobic propaganda by the devilish churchmen...





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    Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.


    Posted By: SteppeNomad
    Date Posted: 27 August 2009 at 4:13am
    LOL @ bush picture behind.
     
    Alhamdulillah, the more they fight, the more they lose.
     

    Good incident for those who keep saying Jews and Christians are our friends.



    Posted By: Megatron
    Date Posted: 29 August 2009 at 9:32am
    Lots of people hate Islam. At least these people are open about it.  Most hide it and and say stuff behind your back when you tell them you're fasting and praying and such.




    Posted By: Hayfa
    Date Posted: 29 August 2009 at 2:33pm
    Asalam Alaikum,

    yes Megatron, they are not being hypocritical about what they think. Nothing is worse than a hypocrite.


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    Posted By: Sign*Reader
    Date Posted: 29 August 2009 at 3:20pm
    Last night I happened to see a psychiatrist talk about the drug addicts and alcoholics reactionary phenomena...

    The pastor Terry Jones has the same dilemma as was Martin Luther's ...Not accepting the truth in it's stark terms going Protestant in the face of Catholicism...The Christens want to have the cake and eat it too but the Islam says that no you can't...you can't break the commandments with impunity... that they have been doing for two thousand years of spiritual conflicts and darkness, death and destruction...drunkenness and debauchery being part of the scene all over and Islam telling them to cut it out has had a this kind of reactionary outbursts...

    Back to Dr. Keith Ablow who said" If you tell any drug addict that you are sniffing glue in the bath room, he would say hey I am not I was just feeling good...When you tell the alcoholic that he drunk he would say he was not; he just want to feel good in happy hour... and when you take the bottle away if you can to make him realize the truth...he would tell you are the DEVIL just like that"

    The Joneses of the world by the same token now a days are finding the Islamic truth being told world wide despite the western occupation and neo colonialism of the weak and wayward Muslims and their reaction is not too difficult to understand as Dr. Ablow stated about drug addicts and alcoholics being told as such.

    IMHO some people will try to find the truth in spite of his doing this...

     


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    Posted By: SteppeNomad
    Date Posted: 29 August 2009 at 4:06pm
    Originally posted by Megatron Megatron wrote:

    Lots of people hate Islam. At least these people are open about it.  Most hide it and and say stuff behind your back when you tell them you're fasting and praying and such.
     
    Honesty is Modesty ha LOL
     
    But yeah at least they real. They not doing the T.E Lawrence flex.
     
     


    Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
    Date Posted: 30 August 2009 at 1:30am
    Originally posted by Megatron Megatron wrote:

    Lots of people hate Islam. At least these people are open about it.  Most hide it and and say stuff behind your back when you tell them you're fasting and praying and such.


     
    Lot's of people hate polyester pants too but that doesn't mean you should accost elderly folks in the grocery stores with signs telling them to burn their pants.
     
    I don't care if the Dove World Outreach hates Islam. I do care that they think it is not just okay to vilify my religion, but then have the audacity to call it an "act of love" and declare it's what the Prophet Jesus would do. A slanderous lie if ever one was told.


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    Posted By: believer
    Date Posted: 03 September 2009 at 9:58am
    LOL!  Shasta very funny - "Lot's of people hate polyester pants too but that doesn't mean you should accost elderly folks in the grocery stores with signs telling them to burn their pants."
     
    The issue - old people are not trying to rid the world of Christians, Jews, Hindus, Shiks, etc. 
    Old people are not trying to dominate and put others in a role of submission, paying taxes and ruling every aspect of our lives.
     
    YOU vilify my religion, YOU say my Holy Bible is corrupt, you do not allow churches to be built in muslim countries, you do not allow people to carry Bibles in open, you kill those that convert to Christianity, etc.
     


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    Posted By: Saladin
    Date Posted: 03 September 2009 at 10:01am
    Get a life believer!

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    Posted By: believer
    Date Posted: 03 September 2009 at 10:01am
    Please know that I do not hate muslims- I pity you.

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    16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


    Posted By: Saladin
    Date Posted: 03 September 2009 at 10:01am
    Pity yourself!

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    Posted By: Hayfa
    Date Posted: 03 September 2009 at 6:30pm
    really.. no new churches??
    http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/culture/?id=24821

    Do tell how many people have been killed.. do tell???  Get a life really..

    Its like in the US if you act treasonous you will be killed. If you convert and act treasonous then you may be killed. How in the world do you consider it any different? Treason is treason.. Its like if you spy on the US as a citizen you may be executed. You convert and risk the lives of Muslims, same idea.

    Goodness.. and Shasta - "you" did nothing to you.


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    Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
    Date Posted: 04 September 2009 at 4:15am
    Salams Hayfa,So True.We have the freedom of speech here,but you cant spread hate.remember the KKK.


    Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
    Date Posted: 04 September 2009 at 4:24am
    Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

    you kill those that convert to Christianity, etc.
    The Qur'an says those who say Allah begets a son(Astagfirullah)are saying lies.That's a weapon of mass destruction and the "Devils work"


    Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
    Date Posted: 04 September 2009 at 4:30am
    Originally posted by SteppeNomad SteppeNomad wrote:

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    LOL @ bush picture behind.


    Alhamdulillah, the more they fight, the more they lose.


    <P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=Calibri size=3>Good incident for those who keep saying Jews and Christians are our friends.

    Salams,SteppeNomad.Laa!


    Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
    Date Posted: 04 September 2009 at 5:40am
    Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

    LOL!  Shasta very funny - "Lot's of people hate polyester pants too but that doesn't mean you should accost elderly folks in the grocery stores with signs telling them to burn their pants."
     
    The issue - old people are not trying to rid the world of Christians, Jews, Hindus, Shiks, etc. 
    Old people are not trying to dominate and put others in a role of submission, paying taxes and ruling every aspect of our lives.
     
    YOU vilify my religion, YOU say my Holy Bible is corrupt, you do not allow churches to be built in muslim countries, you do not allow people to carry Bibles in open, you kill those that convert to Christianity, etc.
     
     
    I don't do any of those things, except say that the Bible is corrupt. But in all fairness, most theologians and Biblical scholars say the same thing. Maybe you should take it up with them?????
     
    Once again you show your hypocrisy. You have stated ad nauseum that if a Christian is doing something wrong then other Christians will stop them, but you are the first to jump on the band wagon.
     
    What did Jesus say about hypocrits? About pointing the finger at others? What did Jesus say about spreading hatred?
     
    How can anyone take you seriously when you don't even follow your own word, much less what Jesus said according to the Bible. Seriously, what kind of a Christian are you? Shocked
     


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    Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
    Date Posted: 04 September 2009 at 5:48am
    "The issue - old people are not trying to rid the world of Christians, Jews, Hindus, Shiks, etc. 
    Old people are not trying to dominate and put others in a role of submission, paying taxes and ruling every aspect of our lives."
     
    Yeah. I don't know what world your living in, but it's pretty much the old people who are in charge of most of the governments and most of the money. And frankly, they are trying to dominate, they already do make us pay taxes, and during his tenure as our fearless leader the great Christian George W Bush actually attempted to rule every aspect of our lives to the point of ignoring the Constitution. Not to mention his attempt at world domination by forcing other countries into regime change at gun point. If that's not submission I don't know what is.
     
    Face it Believer, you are just wrong about almost everything. Isn't it exhausting?
     
     


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    Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
    Date Posted: 05 September 2009 at 8:43pm
    Salams Shasta'sAunt.You tell em sister!He might as well just gracefully bow out.He is finished after that.I wonder if he likes the taste of his foot.LOL


    Posted By: Sign*Reader
    Date Posted: 05 September 2009 at 10:47pm
    Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

    LOL!  Shasta very funny - "Lot's of people hate polyester pants too but that doesn't mean you should accost elderly folks in the grocery stores with signs telling them to burn their pants."
     
    The issue - old people are not trying to rid the world of Christians, Jews, Hindus, Shiks, etc. 
    Old people are not trying to dominate and put others in a role of submission, paying taxes and ruling every aspect of our lives.
     
    YOU vilify my religion, YOU say my Holy Bible is corrupt, you do not allow churches to be built in muslim countries, you do not allow people to carry Bibles in open, you kill those that convert to Christianity, etc.
     

    You really sound like a schmuck; I thought S'A' polyester pants thing was a joke...
    The Bible thing and churches more jokes...If you can't take care churches in the US why do you want to build in where the +tians are non existent or barely noticeable even after centuries of colonialism and neocolonialism...
    The colonialist did build huge churches in colonial Indo Pak cities disproportionate to +tian populations in best part of the cities and they are still there even after the colonial viceroys went away leaving the lackeys behind ...
    Vilifying your religionWink the ones who do exactly that  you kiss their derriere, they are the Jews and Israelite if really want to know...They happen to be your bosses politically,monetarily and psychologically...Yea, thinking about them will give you bad headaches...
    Lastly it is the +tians themselves who are messing with the bible constantly revising and changing to fit the cultural demands...As they did to fit the Roman's requirement in 4th century...
    Why these revisionists don't leave the contents alone or they have a blank check from JC...
    Who has time and knowledge to monitor this kind of activities when people are having hard time making a living...Or you believe in "head I win tail you loose" dictum...

    Gender-neutral Bible to be pushed out

    A new New International Version, due in 2011, will replace one that had rankled some evangelicals.

    Reporting from Chicago - When the new New International Version of the Bible is unveiled in 2011, don't look for androgynous vocabulary that had rankled some evangelicals. In fact, as soon as the latest version is published, the gender-neutral Today's New International Version will vanish.

    "If we want to maintain the NIV as a Bible that English speakers around the world can understand, we have to listen to and respect the vocabulary they are using today," said Keith Danby, president of Biblica.

    New Testament scholar and author Bart Ehrman doubts the revision has as much to do with the evolution of the English language as the orthodox trends in evangelical thought.

    "They are changing the gender-neutral language, no doubt, because their 'base' is conservative evangelical Christians who are offended by anything that appears to have a feminist agenda behind it, not because the language has changed," Ehrman said. "If it has changed, of course, it has changed toward greater gender neutrality -- except in religiously and politically conservative circles." LOL

    Original (NIV) and gender-neutral (TNIV) passages:

    Psalm 8:4

    NIV: What is man that you are mindful of him, the son of man that you care for him?

    TNIV: What are mere mortals that you are mindful of them, human beings that you care for them?

    Matthew 7:4

    NIV: How can you say to your brother, "Let me take the speck out of your eye," when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

    TNIV: How can you say, "Let me take the speck out of your eye," when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

    1 Corinthians 15:21

    NIV: For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.

    TNIV: For since death came through a human being, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a human being.

    mailto:[email protected] - [email protected]






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    Posted By: SteppeNomad
    Date Posted: 06 September 2009 at 4:34pm
    Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

    Please know that I do not hate muslims- I pity you.
     
    LOL that is coming from you? its like bush saying he loves the Iraqi people. But of course you love us, so you want to convert us and save us from hell fire? LOL
     
     
     


    Posted By: islamispeace
    Date Posted: 08 September 2009 at 11:45am
    Originally posted by SteppeNomad SteppeNomad wrote:

    Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

    Please know that I do not hate muslims- I pity you.
     
    LOL that is coming from you? its like bush saying he loves the Iraqi people. But of course you love us, so you want to convert us and save us from hell fire? LOL
     
     
     



    Yes, classic Christian fundamentalist love:  "We love you!  Now hold still while we bomb you!" 

    Does anyone here need Believer's false pity?  I sure don't! Tongue


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