'Taliban' confronts class divide
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Topic: 'Taliban' confronts class divide
Posted By: candid_new
Subject: 'Taliban' confronts class divide
Date Posted: 27 April 2009 at 12:46pm
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The Taliban - what the West wishfully calls the Pakistani insurgency - is rapidly turning in to a mass uprising. Western media simply lumps all the insurgents together and for the sake of convenience calls them the 'Taliban'.The insurgency in Pakistan isn't controlled by any central leadership. The leadership of the erstwhile Taliban that once governed Afghanistan has long been incapacitated. However, the insurgency in Pakistan rages on, beyond control of any single entity, spontaneously and has clearly become self-sustaining now.
The insurrection was long overdue. It's an expression of general disgust towards the Pakistani ruling elites who not only kept the country backward and impoverished to maintain their authority but also stood by, doing nothing, as the filthy infidels raped the country with impunity. Insurgency should be seen as an imminent revolution which can, at most, be delayed but can't be stopped. |
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 27 April 2009 at 4:13pm
| Interesting information. Is this common knowledge on the streets of Pakistan? Or, how did you arrive at this conclusion? Pakistani media? If no central leadership, where do you supposes weapons are coming from? Hopefully for sake of civilians, the "insurgents" will organize into a proper political party and seek change through peaceful methods. |
Posted By: candid_new
Date Posted: 27 April 2009 at 11:32pm
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It's common sense. If there was at all any central leadership it would have long been obliterated. Unless the insurgents have popular support, it isn't possible for them to make rapid advances they are making or, even, survive under such powerful opposition from the elites and infidels.
Why is central leadership necessary to acquire weapons? Hopefully for sake of civilians, the "insurgents" will organize into a proper political party and seek change through peaceful methods. A system based on oppression and injustice cannot face the onslaught of the enlightened masses. It is impossible to change the system to make it work. The system is destined to be destroyed, however painful it might be. Quicker it happens, the better. |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 28 April 2009 at 4:39am
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Taliban are the Bread n Butter of Pakistan Government. Why must they eradicate them? The day they do that billion of dollars stop coming in. ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 28 April 2009 at 6:29am
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"If there was at all any central leadership it would have long been obliterated."
So, in Swat Valley, with whom did the Pakistani government deal with? Better for enlightened masses to have patience than anarchy, which is what, I assume, destroying a system entails (unnecessary bloodshed).
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Posted By: candid_new
Date Posted: 28 April 2009 at 8:12am
| I meant replacement of the system with more egalitarian system. This is not possible unless the present system is fully discarded. I meant a revolution. Of course, the newer system will have its own flaws but, at least, it's support base will be wider. |
Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 28 April 2009 at 9:36am
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http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/04/26/pakistan.taliban.message/index.html#cnnSTCText - http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/04/26/pakistan.taliban.message/index.html#cnnSTCText
------------- John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 28 April 2009 at 10:17am
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"This story from the news is true that Taliban have used class divide to gain popularity in rural areas. They have forced landlords(Khans of Swat) to flee and handed over their property to poor farmers and villagers. This way they have ensured loyalty of majority of population. However, this practice in itself is unislamic and is more of communist/imperialist practice. Islam in fact supports class divides while stressing justice and equal rights for every body. But according to Islam you have to accept your circumstances and struggle for the survival. However, there is supposed to be a support system for those who can not support themselves and their families. Having said this, you can not just grab/steal other peoples money/property using class divide as an excuse because such an excuse is totally unislamic."
http://globetrotter77.blog.co.uk/2009/04/18/taliban-and-class-divide-5966128/ - http://globetrotter77.blog.co.uk/2009/04/18/taliban-and-class-divide-5966128/
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Posted By: candid_new
Date Posted: 28 April 2009 at 8:46pm
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Islam in fact supports class divides while stressing justice and equal rights for every body. But according to Islam you have to accept your circumstances and struggle for the survival.
It's outrageous to claim that Islam supports class divides. Class divides, especially those that exist in Indian Sub-continent, are hereditary and oppressive, and not based on merit. Class divide in Pakistan is derived from caste system that was prevalent in the pre-islamic past of Pakistan. |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 29 April 2009 at 7:55am
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Class divide in terms of social-economic and not Indian caste system, where you have social and economic restrictions based upon birth. In other words, Islam would not support the �Robin Hood� rob from the rich to give to poor, as there is nothing wrong with being rich. |
Posted By: candid_new
Date Posted: 29 April 2009 at 11:11am
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But the class divide in Pakistan is akin to caste system practiced in India.
Fyi... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bondage_in_Pakistan - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bondage_in_Pakistan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism_in_Pakistan - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism_in_Pakistan |
Posted By: aka2x2
Date Posted: 29 April 2009 at 11:28am
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Taliban and any groups that resemble them are a black stain on all Muslims. Ends do not justify the means. Islam does not mean cruel, backwards or murderous. Might does not make right. ------------- Respectfully  aka2x2
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Posted By: candid_new
Date Posted: 29 April 2009 at 12:03pm
| The insurgents are selfless, honorable and gallant defenders of Islam. |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 29 April 2009 at 7:30pm
------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
aka2x2 wrote:Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 30 April 2009 at 7:14am
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Signreader- Obama was all about change but if the violence in Iraq doesn't stop, will he continue the pullout of troups? candid - Islam does have a "caste system"- different treatment for different groups of people, Muslim, Christian, Jew, pagan, atheist, etc.
No death penalty for killing a non-Muslim is not equal treatment.
With the taliban there are 2 classes- men and women
No school for women and complete covering. Is there complete covering for men? No school for men?
------------- John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 30 April 2009 at 7:17am
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I agree completely with "Ends do not justify the means". I am so glad Obama condemned the torture of prisoners. ------------- John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
Posted By: candid_new
Date Posted: 30 April 2009 at 7:40pm
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candid - Islam does have a "caste system"- different treatment for different groups of people, Muslim, Christian, Jew, pagan, atheist, etc.
That's still not "caste-system". Jews and Christians who convert to Islam get same status and rights as other Muslims after they convert. So, the discrimination is, at least, not hereditary or racial. No death penalty for killing a non-Muslim is not equal treatment. What is the source of your information? With the taliban there are 2 classes- men and women No school for women and complete covering. Is there complete covering for men? No school for men? I didn't say Taliban was/are perfect. Women are suffering a lot more because of poverty, feudalism, wars etc. in Afghanistan and Pakistan than because of gender discrimination. For most women in those regions gender equality is a luxury, it's not their first priority. Sort of, it's pointless to buy a parachute when you don't have plane. |
Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 01 May 2009 at 6:08am
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candid new - that is why I put the "caste system" in " " I should have added a type of . I mean there is separate treatment if you are Christian, Jewish or anything other then being Muslims.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4
The only people that are innocent are Muslims.
What is the source of your information- there are too many articles to list all of them
http://www.historymania.com/american_history/Death_sentence - http://www.historymania.com/american_history/Death_sentence
Also check out Iran
http://www.iranpresswatch.org/2009/02/iri-30/comment-page-1/ - http://www.iranpresswatch.org/2009/02/iri-30/comment-page-1/
"According to Mrs Kar, the Iranian jurist, a Muslim is never condemned to death if he kills a non-Muslim. If a male Muslim kills a female Muslim, he is not sentenced to death."
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"Mrs Kar also cites the example of the Bahai, whose blood has no value, at least not in the Islamic �Republic� of Iran. Kar writes that, in her entire 22 years as a lawyer in the Islamic �Republic�, she has no recollection of anyone ever being executed for killing a Bahai. Nor does she recall the murderer of a Christian or Jew ever receiving the death penalty. Indeed, Iranian justice constantly stresses that if the murderer of a member of a recognised religious minority such as a Christian or Jew is killed by a non-Muslim, this non-Muslim deserves the death penalty, but a Muslim killer need not fear as much. Articles 226 and 295, which give Muslim judges leeway, provide protection for Muslim killers of non-Muslims. Under article 222, even a mentally ill person can be killed by a healthy Muslim."
I have heard both that Islam is and is not compatible with democracy what are your thoughts? ------------- John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |