Gov. Sarah Palin
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Topic: Gov. Sarah Palin
Posted By: abuayisha
Subject: Gov. Sarah Palin
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 5:36pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GIMKwtHh1Q

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Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 6:15pm

------------- When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 4:37pm
Will take her as Governator's replacement anytime!
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 11:56pm
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Oh, I see!
Finally got it going.
Just one little question, Abuayisha, if that's the norm of the United States of America, how do people like you, Hayfa, Angela, Maryah, S*R and those others with real IQ feel?
Is your lot ever tempted to migrate to cultured places like say the UK or, better still, Spain? I will do anything to get you there.
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 31 August 2008 at 3:58am
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Well I know many of people who said if McCain wins they are heading out..lol
------------- When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 31 August 2008 at 9:19am
Whisper wrote:
Is your lot ever tempted to migrate to cultured places like say the UK or, better still, Spain? I will do anything to get you there. |
Agree or disagree about American foreign policy, we do it all the time, but this is what I love about Americans;
http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jul/15/local/me-hero15 -
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Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 31 August 2008 at 3:11pm
Whisper wrote:
Oh, I see!
Finally got it going.
Just one little question, Abuayisha, if that's the norm of the United States of America, how do people like you, Hayfa, Angela, Maryah, S*R and those others with real IQ feel?
Is your lot ever tempted to migrate to cultured places like say the UK or, better still, Spain? I will do anything to get you there. |
Plan to take you up on the offer after a family powwow on the subject! UK is off the table for Californians weather wise, Spain sounds like a plan if could dispose our estate but with one hitch the language!!!!
Now back on the subject!
Little known Sarah http://jacklewis.net/weblog/archives/2008/08/little_known_sa.php">Palin Facts
- Sarah Palin became governor because five children left her with too much spare energy.
- Sarah Palin could not find a good man, so her husband was constructed from the DNA of Washington, Lee, and Genghis Khan.
- Sarah Palin will send Biden a pre-debate cheat sheet. The sheet will have tips on defending against Kung Fu Death Grip.
- Sarah Palin is on loan from the Justice League.
- NFL teams may draft Sarah Palin, if they forfeit all their other players forever, to maintain league parity.
- Iran�s nuclear program is a response to Sarah Palin.
- We
don�t know who would win in a Chuck Norris - Sarah Palin cage match
because they�ve never invented a cage that can hold Sarah Palin.
- Alaska is the 49th state solely because they knew even before she was born that Sarah Palin would never finish last.
- Global Warming doesn�t kill polar bears. Sarah Palin does - usually with her bare hands.
- Sarah Palin�s hotness is the largest single contributor to melting polar ice caps.
- It�s not raining in DC. Those are God�s tears of joy that McCain picked Sarah Palin.
- Chuck Norris wishes he was Sarah Palin trapped in a man�s body.
- Sarah Palin paid her way through school by hunting for yeti pelts with a slingshot.
- Sarah Palin knows the location of DB Cooper�s body because she threw him from the plane.
- The Northern Lights are really just the reflection from Sarah Palin�s eys.
- The raw energy of Sarah Palin melts the Alaskan ice roads every spring.
- Sarah Palin used to wrestle kodiak bears in Alaskan bare knuckles fight clubs.
- Sarah Palin once bagged a caribou by staring it down until it died.
- Sarah Palin turned down a job as skipper of a Deadliest Catch boat because it wasn�t challenging enough
- Sarah Palin fishes salmon by convincing them it�s in their interest to jump into the boat.
- Sarah Palin once guided Santa�s sleigh through an Alaskan blizzard with the light from her smile.
- Without her glasses, looking deep into Sarah Palin�s eyes will blind you with the beauty of the tundra sun.
- Sarah Palin would have won Miss Alaska, but she forgot to clean off the polar-bear blood.
- Sarah
Palin wants to drill for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge,
but to save time, she's going to let oil companies do it for her.
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 01 September 2008 at 12:20am
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Well I know many of people who said if McCain wins they are heading out..lol
Hayfa, you have permanent bases in Almeria, Lahore and Manchester, just appoint me Secretary General of your fan's club!
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 01 September 2008 at 12:25am
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Agree or disagree about American foreign policy, we do it all the time, but this is what I love about Americans;
Akhi el Aziz, I know, I love a lot of things about the Americans. But it's always sad to come across some half witted examples of people brought up on a regular dose of hands on heart allegiance to a piece of rag.
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 01 September 2008 at 12:32am
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UK is off the table for Californians weather wise, Spain sounds like a plan if could dispose our estate but with one hitch the language!!!!
Paa jee, saray na aan de bahanay
- just mere excuse for not coming!
Full money back guarantee if a man like you doesn't flow through the streets of Almeria with perfect Espaniol in 5 months and 23 days!
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: wasi siddiqui
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 2:09pm
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Pictures of Sarah Palin on http://www.foxnews.com - www.foxnews.com
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/05/top-7-myths-lies-and-untruths-about-sarah-palin/ -
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Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 1:45am
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September 5, 2008
How the Republicans Solved Sarah Palin's Jewish Problem
A Lesson Before Lying
By IRA GLUNTS
Politically
powerful American Jews tend to be uncomfortable with evangelical
Christians, unless they are the kind that unconditionally support
Israeli foreign policy and are members of organizations which send
boatloads of money to the Jewish state. Reverend John Hagee and his
Christians United For Israel (CUFI) come to mind in this regard.
Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin, unlike Hagee, is an
evangelical for whom Israel does not play an important role. It did
not, at least, until a few days ago when the colorful, gun-toting,
Christian conservative Alaska governor stepped on to the national
political stage. Suddenly Palin had a Jewish problem. According to
critics, she is not sufficiently sensitive to Jewish interests and
Israeli security, and may be an anti-Semite. According to the McCain
campaign, the solution to this problem was to send Palin, escorted by
Senator Joseph (Mr. Right-Wing Jewish American) Lieberman to seek
absolution and approval at the throne of the American Israel Public
Affairs Committee (AIPAC).
Palin had been accused
by Jewish Democratic Obama supporters of backing Rep. Ron Paul and the
2000 presidential candidacy of Pat Buchanan. Both men have expressed
their opposition to the U.S./Israel �special relationship.� The Alaska
governor was also rebuked for her recent attendance at a sermon given
by Jews for Jesus founder, David Brickner, at which he stated that the
reason for violence against Israelis is that Jews do not embrace the
Christian god.
These accusations against Palin mirror those that have been leveled
against Barack Obama and have about as much credibility. The Democratic
Presidential candidate has been called a pro-Palestinian Hamas devotee,
a Muslim hater of Jews, and a closet terrorist who is an al Qaeda mole.
These ludicrous charges have been made mostly by Jewish McCain
supporters and are as about as believable as the anti-Jewish,
anti-Israel criticisms lodged against Palin.
Both smear campaigns are promoted through extensive e-mailings. The
criticisms of both candidates rely heavily on guilt by exaggerating
personal associations and distorting the views of those with which the
candidates are excused of being associated. Just as Obama is charged
with attendance at certain sermons given by Pastor Jeremiah Wright,
Palin is accused of sitting through a Brickner sermon. It is not clear
to what extent either candidate agreed with what he or she heard. Obama
has rejected many of Wright�s remarks. I do not believe that Palin has
had the opportunity to comment on the Brickner sermon. My opinion is
that the actual perniciousness and inappropriateness of the Wright and
Brickner positions are greatly overstated.
Even though the anti-Jewish accusations against their bible- praising,
hockey mom candidate were scurrilous and spurious, the McCain campaign
thought that the best antidote against Palin�s burgeoning Jewish
problem was immunization from a group of hastily assembled AIPAC
directors, who, I assume, were in town for the Republican convention.
The group met with Palin at her hotel. Ironically, she was chaperoned
by the man she had replaced as John McCain�s choice for a running mate,
Senator Lieberman (Ind., CT, Israel, CUFI). Apparently, it was decided
that Lieberman was too liberal on social issues for the Republican
base. Predictably, Palin�s appeal to the quickly assembled pro-Israel
lobbyists was successful. After the meeting, Josh Block, a spokesman
for AIPAC, announced, �We had a good productive discussion on the
importance of the U.S./Israel relationship, and we were pleased that
Gov. Palin expressed her deep, personal, and lifelong commitment to the
safety and well-being of Israel�. Like Sen. McCain, the vice
presidential nominee understands and believes in the special friendship
between the two democracies and would work to expand and deepen the
strategic partnership in a McCain/Palin Administration." Palin, who is
reported to be a quick learner, found out in a most public lesson that
genuflecting to the directors of AIPAC is an important part of what
passes for foreign policy experience and acumen these days.
The youthful Vice Presidential candidate, who has already acquired an
impressive list of descriptive phrases which are associated with her
name, can add one more. Lifelong supporter of Israel. Welcome to
American politics, Sarah Palin.
Ira Glunts
is a secular American Jew who opposes the Israeli occupation and
oppression of the Palestinian people. He lives in Madison, NY where he
and his wife own and operate a used and rare book business. Mr. Glunts
will vote for neither John McCain nor Barack Obama.
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Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 2:05am
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September 3, 2008
Thank God, She Has No Foreign Policy Experience!
Sarah Palin's Clean Slate
By Sen. MIKE GRAVEL
On
rare occasions our nation has been lucky when new political leaders
were selected from obscurity by circumstance. They weren�t indebted to
the party bosses or special interests, but they rendered unusual and
historic service in times of need. Washington, Lincoln, the first
Roosevelt and Truman come to mind.
Sarah
Palin, the Governor of Alaska, has been plucked from obscurity and now
shares the stage with three other national leaders vying to head the
next government of the United States. Sarah is very much of an Alaskan
character. Politicos and pundits will have difficulty handling her as
she is being tested in the crucible of media scrutiny over the next
nine weeks. My guess is, Americans will relate to her and love her
story.
In
my mind, that Sarah comes to the national scene as a novice with a
clean slate is her main asset. Having a long history of political
experience also means a long history of exposure to the political
corruption endemic to the process of human governance, with the phony
public and private compromises that accompany political experience.
Foreign
policy experience? Thank god she has none beyond that of a normal
citizen subject to the militarization of our culture over the past 50
years, particularly so in Alaska with its strong military presence. The
three other would-be leaders have tons of experience among them. But
whether liberal or conservative all three are committed to a policy of
American imperialism with the self-appointed role of world policeman.
This role of trying to influence the world with our military might
sustains bloated defense budgets that profit the few and impoverish the
social and economic needs of the many.
The
United States spends more on defense than all the rest of the world
combined. By comparison, Russia and China�our supposed competitors on
the world scene�each spend less that 10% of our budget, preferring to
strengthen their economic sectors. Are we not as concerned about the
wellbeing of our citizens as Russia�s and China�s leaders are? Do
they�or do we�have our budget priorities wrong?
Sarah
is no doubt going to be briefed by the �best and the brightest� of the
neocon crowd that President Washington warned us about with their
foreign entanglements, and the military and corporate leaders that
President Eisenhower predicted would destroy our democracy. Will they
be able to write her a new slate that is a replica of John McCain�s?
Odds are they will. But just maybe she won�t be so easily co-opted by
corporate America��she hasn�t thus far. Wow! Isn�t that an interesting
possibility?
Close
observation of Sarah�s meteoric rise points to that very distant
possibility I campaigned door to door in Wasilla where Sarah and her
husband Todd grew up. (This was before the community prospered as a
result of my securing the Alaska Pipeline.) Wasilla is one of the most
conservative communities in Alaska. Little wonder that children reared
close to family in that environment become conservative with strong
family values, a deep sense of fair play and strong patriotism tinged
with jingoism. They are personally independent and self reliant, yet
fearful of the unknown and susceptible to narrow biblical religious
beliefs.
Sarah
is instinctively ambitious and rose above her small-town environment
because she has a bright inquiring mind and isn�t afraid to question
authority in her quest for answers and solutions. She has confronted
the powers-that-be in both the Republican and Democratic parties in
campaigns and in the legislature. She has been initially inept in
handling legislators, a product of inexperience. But she has made some
corrections relying heavily on her persuasive charm.
Governor
Palin has an advantage that her three other national contestants can�t
begin to match. I�m not talking about the fact that she has technically
more executive experience than all three put together, although Obama
has exhibited uncommon competence in managing the slickest and most
efficient campaign since Mark Hannah got William McKinley elected
president. However, like Hannah, who ran afoul of his corporate
interests by selecting Teddy Roosevelt for vice president, Obama may
have doomed his prospects by not selecting Hillary as his running mate.
Sarah
Palin has a sense of personal outrage over political corruption that
plays extremely well with the public, something the others have lost
long ago. She has demonstrated the personal courage to publicly
confront and overcome Republican Party corruption and has successfully
taken on the oil industry over taxation and oil leasing issues. She has
publicly stood up to Senator Ted Stevens and Representative Don Young
on the �Bridge to Nowhere� and the policy of federal earmarks arguing
for a public transparency process.
Sarah
has literally come to the national scene without owing anything to any
party or corporate interest��not even McCain��he needs her more than
she needs him. Imagine a person a heart beat away not owned by the
military-industrial complex, Wall Street, corporate America or AIPAC.
WOW! Can this last? Probably not. But she does have an uncanny sense of
political direction and the ability to capitalize on change like
putting the public interest above Republican Party interests.
I
strongly disagree with her views on abortion, creationism, stem cell
research and a host of extreme conservative views that are a product of
her environment. We must bear in mind she is running for vice
president��a heart beat away��not president. If McCain is as fit as his
doctors report, Sarah will have ample time to be the perfect
understudy. She will have the opportunity to travel, grow and mature
intellectually.
Sarah
has issues. What politician doesn�t? Hers are a product of family
loyalty and insufficient knowledge of politics and governance. The
Troopergate issue will break in her favor politically. Sarah: the next
time you get frustrated with personnel laws and union problems, call
and commiserate with Michelle Lee, who heads up the Washington, DC
dysfunctional public school system. She has fired more than 100
teachers and school principles and closed more than 20 schools. You
will find her counsel helpful.
In
the interest of full disclosure: I have no intention of voting for
McCain. He is too steeped in the use of military power to solve
problems and American imperialism�and the wars it creates. At times
McCain has been a maverick, but, unfortunately, never that
consistently. There are too many temptations in Washington, even for a
man born on third base.
McCain
did himself proud by flickering back to his gut maverick instincts in
throwing a �hail Mary pass� to Sarah Palin. Can she and will she catch
it? Wining the election is not the touchdown, it�s her conduct in
office a heart beat away. It�s how quickly she learns and grows; what
of Wasilla she keeps and what she must discard.
President
Kennedy said that the White House is a poor place to make new friends.
That�s why his father Joe Kennedy insisted Jack keep Bobby close to
him. This would apply to the vice president office. Sarah: keep up the
practice of having Todd hang out with you in your official capacities.
Insist that he be given a clearance equal to yours, so that you are not
excluded from the full depth of his counsel. If push comes to shove, he
is the only one you can trust. He must study, read and grow in your
office as quickly as you. What you face is more than one person can
handle. The two of you must be a political and intellectual team.
One
last piece of advice. Governor: you are now in the world of barracudas.
It�s no different than Wassila or Juneau; they just pay more for food,
clothing and their houses. But they have the same capacity for fear,
greed and love. Sarah: if you refuse to sell out��you don�t need
to��you have a glorious future ahead of you with your gift of courage,
a virtue that permits you to implement all other virtues. Whether you
can or will depends on your capacity to constantly re-exam your
ideologies and grow politically and intellectually
Good luck...
Mike Gravel served in the senate from Alaska and ran for president in the Democratic Party primaries.
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 8:00am
Sign*Reader wrote:
How the Republicans Solved Sarah Palin's Jewish Problem |
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/2/report_secretive_right_wing_group_vetted - http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/2/report_secretive_right_wing_group_vetted
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Posted By: Salams_wife
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 11:47pm
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Spain, I wouldn't mind going there! Who could pass up that offer?
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 16 October 2008 at 8:36pm
Whisper wrote:
Agree or disagree about American foreign policy, we do it all the time, but this is what I love about Americans;
Akhi el Aziz, I know, I love a lot of things about the Americans. But it's always sad to come across some half witted examples of people brought up on a regular dose of hands on heart allegiance to a piece of rag. |
Sasha, I would never insult your country, and am surprised that a man of your intelligence would stoop so low. I don't post very often any longer, but I do read the posts. How sad to read that your refer to my flag as a "rag." Putting our hand over our heart shows our love of freedom. Everyone should be free, everyone.
Best Regards,
Patty
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Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 2:48am
I think she's a dimwitted, brainwashed evangelical neo-con and a danger to society as a whole.
I also think she is utterly, completely and totally unqualified for the job.
I've never held political office but I am more traveled, educated and have more ACTUAL foreign policy experience.
And frankly, for McCain to put her 1 heartbeat from the Presidency is irresponsible and shows a complete lack of respect for the security of this nation.
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Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 8:59am
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I agree Angela and he is the "defense" guy...
------------- When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 11:15am
Washington Post endorses Obama for president
4 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AFP) � The Washington Post Friday backed Democrat Barack Obama to become the next US president in a gushing editorial, saying he had the potential to be a "great" leader despite his relative inexperience.
The influential newspaper said its thumbs up was "without ambivalence," and praised Obama's intelligence and political skill while blasting Republican rival John McCain, 72, and his running mate Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, 44.
"The choice is made easy in part by Mr. McCain's disappointing campaign, above all his irresponsible selection of a running mate who is not ready to be president," the newspaper said.
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Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 6:23pm
I am going to vent>>>>>>>>> With the current fiasco of Wall street melt down resulting from unregulated global financial industry resulting from a bill signed by Bill Clinton speaks volumes about the role of intelligence of American presidents or rather their unmitigated servitude to the Israelite mafia ruling this pathetically disoriented electorate! Couldn't Bill figure that when he signed the bill who will be taken to the cleaners? Just imagine 300 million have this kind of candidates who were clueless of the disaster and they haven't been grilled about it by the media! They were in the senate while the Jewish robber barons(Did you see SNL skit) were stealing people 401Ks and the banks and anything in between! They want to sock the hapless tax payer with both candidates signed on the 700 bil package. Why cuz the Goldman Sacks client China wanted its investement in this needed protection or else! These pork fed politicains have no honest bone in their body! When Obama is asked how is he going to deliver his promised goodies with additional budget of half a trillion deficits he didn't have a clue and of course McCain too! The media is in collusion so the truth doesn't come out and people's wealth gets no protection and the party goes on! There should have been call for some indictments then I would say there was going to be some justice! I give you how engaged is our electorate! I have a story to tell: My daughter was in her at her university class the night of last debate. The teacher gave them the opportunity to watch the debate instead cuz he though it might be important for them to see it! Guess what the whole time the class where I was told there were students in hundreds were just talking instead of listening. My daughter were trying to listen when she got ticked of the noise of others talking and most of the debate had been through my daughter screamed to the rest in the hall to shut the heck up and listen and the other students were just brought to attention! She came home with just absolute bad experience about the state of people's political mind! any wonder the US is going down across the board saddled with 10 trillion dollar debt and increasing! People are just clueless and here we are talking about the generation they are going to be saddled with all the debt! Now I see why things have gotten they way they are One is lowering the age of vote to 18 years was a disaster! It should be back up to 21 the way it was ! How can you give right to vote to some one who totally clue less about money and how these politicians operate! They take your money cuz some one else ignorant opted on your behalf put that in the ponzi game the way it looks now! The united pack of these predators politicians are taking advantage of a uncontrolled situation! I think it almost like people have been drugged to live with beyond your means and all will be great with borrowed money! And did you see Greenspan laughing and making one liner statements like irrational exuberance and Bernanke telling yes how much you want me to print for you American suckers! What difference would it make? all of them are cut from the same cloth of Machiavellian yarn! I think there is more corruption in Washington than any where else at this time! Not that he would matter I listened to Ralph Nader he made more sense telling the truth about every thing but you know he doesn't speak AIPAC's language, so no gushing editorial for him LOL
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 12:02pm
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Sasha, I would never insult your country, and am surprised that a man of your intelligence would stoop so low. I don't post very often any longer, but I do read the posts. How sad to read that your refer to my flag as a "rag." Putting our hand over our heart shows our love of freedom. Everyone should be free, everyone.
Patty, I wish you had read my post properly. Please tell me where I am insulting the great US of A?
I love a lot of things about the Americans. But it's always sad to come across some half witted examples of people brought up on a regular dose of hands on heart allegiance to a piece of rag.
Right now, I have a lot of sympathy for the US. My friend, my philosophy finds swearing allegiance to a flag just a bit obsene. All flags are just rags at the end of the day.
And, please, when did the US help any people with their freedom? As yet, I have had no news if the US had stopped paying Israel for keeping those Palestinians in chains and they have all been freed?
Patty, we need to be just a bit human and think globally, not just about some pobre flags. You can't insult my country, I have none, I live act and feel globally.
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 5:14pm
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Sasha, it's not the "flag" that we pledge loyalty to....it's what the "flag" stand for. It stands for many things to many Americans. Freedom is just one thing we think of when we look at our flag. Could you please tell me how you find that "obscene?" As for helping people with their freedom, ask the Brits (I believe you reside there now.) Ask them how the Americans came to their aid when they were under assault during the London Blitz during WWII. Who was it who finally put an end to that deranged monster, Adolf Hitler? He killed not only Jews, but thousands of Catholics, and those of other religions and cultures....men, women, and children. I do think globally, Shasha. I care deeply for people from all countries, and I think in your heart you know that. Take care and be safe, Sasha.
Patty
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Posted By: candid_new
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 4:13am
PattyaMainer wrote:
� I do think globally, Shasha.� I care deeply for people from all countries, and I think in your heart you know that.��
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Patty |
ROTFL
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 10:06am
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Could you please tell me how you find that "obscene?"
My friend, I find anyone pledging anything to other than some deeper value, obsene. And, you will agree that this practice does make them as limited as the Americans are!
As for helping people with their freedom, ask the Brits (I believe you reside there now.)
Patty, my family seat, my primary residence is in Lahore. Plus, I live in Spain more, just maintain a thin residence in Britain
Ask them how the Americans came to their aid when they were under assault during the London Blitz during WWII.
Patty, I know. But it's more important to men in our street how the Americans pay those Israelis 3,000,000,000 a year to murder those helpless unarmed Palestinians!
Or, for what they are in Afghanistan.
Who was it who finally put an end to that deranged monster, Adolf Hitler?
Yes, the Americans put an end to Adolf Hitler, in all those Hollywood movies, but when you study the history of the WW II you find that it was the pobre Russians who took Germany.
I do think globally, Shasha. I care deeply for people from all countries, and I think in your heart you know that.
Patty, I know that and also respect you for that
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 12:28pm
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I have always studied history, Sasha, especially WWII, which my father served in. Here is a little excerpt about WII....many countries (alllies) fought and died to end Hitler's regime. Did you study about D-Day? Have you walked the hallowed grounds of Flanders Field? We're all just people, Sasha. Why can't we learn that?
"World War II: Defeat Hitler's early military triumphs persuaded him (and many others) that he was a strategic genius, and he became increasingly unwilling to listen to advice or to hear bad news. After the battle of Stalingrad, widely regarded as the turning point of WW II, his military decisions became increasingly erratic, and Germany's military and economic position deteriorated. The entry of the United States into the war on December 7 1941 led to an awesome coalition of the world's largest empire (the British Empire), the world's greatest industrial and financial power (the USA), and the Soviet Union, which shouldered the largest burden of WW II in terms of human and other losses. Realists in the German army saw that defeat was inevitable, and some officers plotted to remove Hitler from power. In July 1944 one of them, Claus von Stauffenberg set up a bomb at Hitler's military headquarters (the so-called July 20 Plot), but Hitler narrowly escaped death. Savage reprisals followed and the resistance movement was crushed.
Hitler's ally Benito Mussolini was overthrown in 1943. Meanwhile the Soviet Union was steadily forcing Hitler's armies to retreat from their conquests in the East. But as long as western Europe was secure, Germany could hope to hold the line indefinitely, despite an increasingly heavy campaign of bombing of German cities.
On June 6 1944 (D-Day), Allied armies landed in northern France, and by December they were on the Rhine. Hitler staged a last ditch offensive in the Ardennes (the Battle of the Bulge). But by the new year the western armies were advancing into Germany."
http://www.battle-fleet.com/pw/his/Adolf%20%28Adolph%29%20Hitler%20WW2%20Victory%20Defeat%20Power.htm - http://www.battle-fleet.com/pw/his/Adolf%20(Adolph)%20Hitler%20WW2%20Victory%20Defeat%20Power.htm
Anyway, I am very pleased that we can discuss many issues without coming to blows, or being hateful. That is a very encouraging sign. I also respect your views, Sasha. Please take care.
God Bless,
Patty
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 12:33pm
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From Sasha,
"Yes, the Americans put an end to Adolf Hitler, in all those Hollywood movies, but when you study the history of the WW II you find that it was the pobre Russians who took Germany."
Just as a side note, Sasha, I don't go to movies at all. They are a pile of rubbish, garbage, immoral, and horrid junk which comes out of the "beautiful people" from Hollywood. It is very much against my beliefs......so why is Obama so chummy with them? It makes me wonder.....
Patty
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 4:42pm
candid_new wrote:
PattyaMainer wrote:
I do think globally, Shasha. I care deeply for people from all countries, and I think in your heart you know that.
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Your response is very inappropriate and immature. You do not know me, and I find your judgement extremely rude. Perhaps one day you will grow up.
Peace to you,
Patty
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 27 October 2008 at 11:13am
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Here is a little excerpt about WII
My friend, it could have been a great idea to discuss WW II in depth but shall we look at the US role in today's world? I would love to find out just one corner where they haven't created and absolute mess since Vietnam.
And, specially, in our neck of the woods.
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 9:37am
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Patty do you think that the values are the same as back during WWII era?? I think things have changed, yes I think there are good values here as other places...
And really do we show "blind" allegiance at times? I could say it is very true... we are like we should support "us" vs. "them." This is quite typical. I would also say that people all look at things differently, such as a "flag." And maybe others see the downside of this "nationalistic" concept for humanity.
Many people fought against Hitler from all over the globe. US folks did, yes, and we entered once Japan attacked us. We did little before that. So were we the "saviors?" No. We were part of a mutli-lateral effort. The British and the Russians took the brunt of this for years. The Russians lost over 20 million people during that time.
Yes Americans did help, yes some risked their lives. But so did people from all over the globe. 50 million people lost their lives in WWII. We were not invaded and our lives destroyed. We are actually quite isolated from much of this.
Since Vietnam the world's view and people in the US, has changed. Things are more transparent. So whereas we have our "freedom," our governments have supported some terrible people and regimes who did not care one iota for these principles. This where people get upset. Not at individual Americans, for the most part decent people. But its like we profess one thing but don't follow it up.. that is what concerms people.
------------- When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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Posted By: Israfil
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 10:52am
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I'm sorry but American didn't go in WW2 because of moral reasons I'm sorry I don't believe that. As far as the American flag the ideologies America represents are both ideological and contradictory. Anyone who believes we are truly a democratic country needs to really take a look at society. We are a republic! I agree with Whisper on swearing alligence to the U.S. flag. I am of the opinion that I don't swear alligence to the flag rather I swear alligence to God.
As far as I'm concerned the flag was used to enslave my ancestors, displace Native Americans and other ethnic peoples brought to this country against their will. The average person in America maybe decent but I think the salvation of America at least from our current regime is naught until we change it. This is rather a tangent but I hope to get my point across.
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 1:02pm
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Yes, your point is well taken, Israfil...it certainly is. Of course millions of people throughout Europe were killed in WWII before Hitler's army was defeated. It was horrible! Thousands of Americans were killed helping to free these people from this insane madman, and if we had not come to their aid (as other countries also did) millions more likely would have died as well. Israfil, I am sure you (and Hayfa) know our cemeteries are full of the graves of soldiers who were killed in WWII. There are tombs in cemeteries overseas as well.....Flanders Field, for example. Did you really study D-Day, the invasion? America does have a democracy....for right now at least, and I certainly DO NOT want a Socialistic or Communistic government, do you? I do not want my government telling me what doctor to go to, when I can go, how long I have to wait, etc., etc. I don't want to work myself half to death to pay for those who won't work. I have NO PROBLEM with my tax dollars going to help those who are TRULY unable to work due to illness or injury.....but to help those who refuse to work....disgraceful. I received a phone call today from my sister who has lived in England for 30+ years, as she is married to a Brit. She is very ill, but has learned it will be days before she can see a doctor. She has many illnesses, and her husband has cancer, but it takes forever to get the treatment they need. I don't care for that. The more government you have, the less freedoms you have. I want government out of my affairs. I'll handle them myself. And certainly I pledge my faith and trust....my very life to God. But I can also pledge my loyalty to my "flag" which is a symbol of my country. I love America and the American people, just like my family, we have some who seem to make a lot of mistakes, but we keep on trying. Oh, I think I may have mentioned this before, but I'll repeat it again....my husband is a Native American. He has a few complaints about this country, but he also loves America, he fought in the Vietnam War, and it is not his fault that our government threw our military into a war they knew we could never win.....we weren't supposed to win it. So now Vietnam is a Communist country. There were horrible, terrible slaughters which took place on both sides. It never should have happened, and I DO blame the government for that fiasco. I believe there are changes to be made in America, of course there are.....but NOT by creating a Socialistic government. It seems I'm far too fond of freedom to accept that, and I will fight to the death to preserve our democracy should it ever become necessary.
Peace, Israfil!
Patty
"And when wicked men abuse and hate you all because of me, blessed, blessed are you." ~~ Jesus
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 2:27pm
wrote:
I certainly DO NOT want a Socialistic or Communistic government, do you? I believe there are changes to be made in America, of course there are.....but NOT by creating a Socialistic government. |
Wednesday, October 29, 2008
Wealth Redistribution, Socialism, and the Tax Law
During the past week, the outpouring of "it's socialism" as a response to the proposal to revoke the tax cuts enacted for those with high-level incomes has continued unabated. For example, over at http://alg31blog.timberlakepublishing.com/default.asp?Display=686 - GetLiberty , the assertion is put forth that "Barack Obama is a socialist who believes in taking from the haves and giving to the have nots." It's unclear whether this assertion claims that Obama is a socialist BECAUSE he "believes in taking from the haves and giving to the have nots" or if the claim is that Obama is a socialist WHO " believes in taking from the haves and giving to the have nots." The latter interpretation suggests that there are socialists who do not believe in "taking from the haves and giving to the have nots." Perhaps there are such socialists, but if they exist, they're not on my radar. What is troubling about the assertion is the former interpretation, which must be the intended one considering that the latter interpretation makes no sense. The notion that believing in taking from the haves and giving to the have nots makes a person a socialist means that almost every President elected since 1913, and almost every member of Congress elected since that time, is or was a socialist. How do I develop that reading of the GetLiberty assertion? The federal income tax usually takes something from the haves and redistributes it to the have nots, though in recent years it also has taken from the have less and provided more to the already haves. Since 1913, the executive and legislative branch of the federal government has enacted, amended, and administered a progressive federal income tax. Seen in this light, the notion that Obama, or anyone else supporting the progressive federal income tax, is a socialist, is a total canard, a misleading sound-bite designed to mislead those who are emotionally predisposed to dislike taxation. Continuing the dialogue and looking at another implication, should one conclude that those condemning the progressive federal income tax as socialist and advocating the denial of votes for any candidate who supports that tax means that they support a candidate who would repeal the federal income tax? If that is a component of their true and disguised agenda, how would they replace the revenue? I suppose some of them would simply cut federal spending to the level supported by, hmm, tariffs? State and local governments would need to impose exceedingly high taxes to provide the services that all Americans, including those who oppose the income tax, presently enjoy. Aside from the loss of economy of scale obtained when one government rather than 50-plus seek to acquire goods and services at the level demanded by citizens, the coordination of state militias that would replace the Department of Defense, for example, boggles the logistical mind. I suspect that the goal is to replace the progressive income tax with a flat wage tax. The "he's a socialist" crowd is the same crowd, for the most part, that supports reduction and elimination of taxes on investment, whether it be capital gains, dividends, or interest. Or, putting it more accurately, the folks who jump onto the "taxes are bad" bandwagon are wage earners who don't understand that they are being used to create the illusion of popular resistance to the income tax, so that this illusion can be translated into an elimination of taxes on investment activity. If they were to think about it, they would realize what is intended to replace the current income tax is a flat tax on wages. A quick computation of whether they would be better off or worse off under the "I'm not a socialist" plan might shock them. It might even change their vote. But there's even more dangerous implications in the tossing about of the words "socialist" and "socialism." On Monday, John McCain parlayed Obama's response to Joe the Plumber into an accusation that Obams wants to be, to use McCain's clever sound-bite words, "Redistributionist in Chief." Aside from the reality that using McCain's definition of the clever phrase, almost every twentieth and twenty-first century president has been the redistributionist in chief, the truly alarming implication is that McCain opens the door to an analysis of federal wealth redistribution policy. During the past decade, the relative wealth of the haves has increased, and the relative position of the have nots has decreased, stayed the same, and in a very few instances, increased though at rates disproportionately lower than the rate at which the haves have gathered more wealth. The issue isn't whether the federal government redistributes assets. By its very nature, it must. The issue is "in what direction is the wealth redistributed?" Any sensible American who thinks about this question, who studies the information readily available with respect to changes in wealth distribution during the past decade, and who carefully analyzes the effect of present tax policy, will come to understand that with respect to the wealth redistribution question, the choice isn't between a redistributionist candidate and a non-redistributionist candidate, but between a candidate whose redistribution policies favor those in need over those wallowing in excess and a candidate who advocates retention and extension of policies that favor the haves over the have nots. From the perspective of those who understand the lesson of history that civilized society and justice are threatened when there is a growing disparity between the haves and have nots, between the nobility and the peasants, between the cartel owners and the workers, the notion that fixing the current economic crisis by undoing the causes of the damage consititutes socialism is genuinely worrisome. The proposal to "stay the tax course" in order to undo the economic woes that are a consequence of current tax policy is nothing more than a belief that if taxpayers can be duped once or twice, they can be duped a third time. When McCain claims, as he did on Monday, that his plan would "create wealth," "end this crisis," and "restore jobs," he must think no one has the ability to figure out that the very policies he advocates are those that ultimately eroded wealth, created the crisis, and destroyed jobs. When McCain claims his approach will create wealth, he is correct only in the sense that his plan, identical in tax respect to that of the person he seeks to replace, created wealth for the privileged few. If McCain's supporters think that socialism is terrible, and that some sort of "anti-socialism" is in order, then in effect they are telling us that they want four more years of a tax policy with an abysmal track record. The only logic in their argument is that, theoretically, if they keep trying the same disproven approach over and over, it might, perhaps, work. Yes, even a blind squirrel can find a nut. Those who claim that repealing the discredited tax cuts for the wealthy constitutes socialism because it means redistribution of wealth are resting their case in part on something Obama said seven years ago. Here is what Obama said, in response to a Supreme Court civil rights decision:
But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of the wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent, as radical as I think people tried to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn�t that radical. It didn�t break us free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution � And the Warren Court interpreted, in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties � I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change. To assist those who, like GetLiberty, label the quotation a "bloviation" because they cannot understand what it means, I will put it into simpler terms. Although the Supreme Court has held, in many cases, including the one on which Obama commented, that it is illegal to treat people differently because of race, ethnic origins, religious affiliation, or gender, the outcome for those who were being mistreated is a shallow victory. Why? Telling someone that they can sit in the front of the bus doesn't help the person who lacks bus fare. Telling someone that they cannot be excluded from a neighborhood because of ethnic origins means little if that person lacks the economic ability to purchase a home. So long as the economic playing field is tilted in favor of those with economic power in the form of excessive wealth, those at the bottom will not be able to get into the economic game. Put bluntly, it's not enough to end physical slavery if the nation continues to wallow in economic slavery. And economic slavery is far more dangerous than physical slavery, for it does not limit itself to any particular race, ethnicity, gender, or religion. Someone earning $6 per hour, with no benefits, working for a company whose CEO pulls down a $70 million salary, enhanced by golden parachutes and tax-free fringe benefits, surely must doubt whether the American dream is something unfairly limited to people other than themselves. The discussion has turned on the phrase "redistribution of wealth." It doesn't, but should, turn on the notion of "distribution of wealth." Those who oppose redistribution of wealth, particularly redistribution from the haves to the have nots, assume that the unredistributed distribution, the distribution of wealth as it exists untouched by progressive income taxes, is the way it ought to be. They don't question how the wealth distribution ended up as it is. They assume that everyone with excessive wealth acquired it because of some praise-worthy work effort. They ignore the fortune and misfortune of birth. They ignore the corruption and bullying. They ignore the deceit and the theft. They ignore the benefits of monopolies and cartels. They claim that the free market manifests its glory in the wealth distribution patterns that exist. They see the word "free" in the phrase "free market" as meaning "free to do whatever one wants to do to acquire even more wealth" provided that when those who have little or no wealth try to behave in that manner, the much-detested government conveniently is available to slap them back down. The current economic crisis has caused the wealthy to lose some petty cash. It has caused most Americans to lose or to be at significant risk of losing homes, jobs, dinner money, health care, and retirement resources. To label someone a socialist, and to label an error-correcting tax plan as socialism, under these sorts of circumstances and in a way that misleads the public, is a disservice to the nation. The nation, though, seems to be on the verge of demonstrating that it understands this point very well.
http://mauledagain.blogspot.com/2008_10_01_archive.html#4019509269788277996 - # posted by James Edward Maule @ 8:36 AM
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 4:37pm
Angela wrote:
I think she's a dimwitted, brainwashed evangelical neo-con and a danger to society as a whole.
I also think she is utterly, completely and totally unqualified for the job.
I've never held political office but I am more traveled, educated and have more ACTUAL foreign policy experience.
And frankly, for McCain to put her 1 heartbeat from the Presidency is irresponsible and shows a complete lack of respect for the security of this nation.
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Hi Angela,
I'm really just curious. What is your experience in foreign policy? Sarah Palin has had to negotiate with the Russian government. Does your experience surpass that?
Peace to you,
Patty
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Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 4:51pm
abuayisha wrote:
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The current economic crisis has caused the wealthy to lose some petty cash. It has caused most Americans to lose or to be at significant risk of losing homes, jobs, dinner money, health care, and retirement resources. To label someone a socialist, and to label an error-correcting tax plan as socialism, under these sorts of circumstances and in a way that misleads the public, is a disservice to the nation. The nation, though, seems to be on the verge of demonstrating that it understands this point very well.
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 4:53pm
abuayisha wrote:
[QUOTE=] I certainly DO NOT want a Socialistic or Communistic government, do you? I believe there are changes to be made in America, of course there are.....but NOT by creating a Socialistic government. |
Those who claim that repealing the discredited tax cuts for the wealthy constitutes socialism because it means redistribution of wealth are resting their case in part on something Obama said seven years ago. Here is what Obama said, in response to a Supreme Court civil rights decision:
But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of the wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent, as radical as I think people tried to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn�t that radical. It didn�t break us free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution � And the Warren Court interpreted, in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties � I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change.
So in other words, Obama feels our Constitution, created by our Founding Fathers, and our Bill of Rights, the very basis for ensuring our God given rights, are "constraining?" And this is the person you want to run our country????
Let me just say one thing. When you tax the wealthy (who by the way have companies which HIRE millions of people here in the US) THEY are not the ones who will be paying the increase in taxes. The very wealthy increase the costs of their product or service and YOU still end up paying for it in the end....and Sen. Obama knows this full well. You who believe his charismatic and eloquently placed words are being duped. I hate to see that, but that is exactly what he is doing to millions of fine, well-intentioned Americans.
Patty
"And when wicked men abuse and hate you all because of me, blessed, blessed are you." ~~ Jesus
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 8:01pm
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081031/ap_on_el_pr/fact_check_palin_socialism/print;_ylt=ArxB1Xjvsljei42dA6C95kNh24cA - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081031/ap_on_el_pr/fact_check_palin_socialism/print;_ylt=ArxB1Xjvsljei42dA6C95kNh24cA
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 8:10pm
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Excerpt CNN report " http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/18/fact-check-obama-said-he-would-spread-his-wealth-around/ - Fact check: Obama said he would 'spread his wealth around'? ":
Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain, during a speech on October 16 outside Philadelphia, recounted the story of "Joe the Plumber," a man who held a conversation with Democratic candidate Sen. Barack Obama and who became the surprise star of the candidates' October 15 debate when McCain gave an account of the story. McCain said the man told Obama, "'Look, I've been working all my life � 10, 12 hours. I want to buy the business I'm in, but you're going to raise my taxes.' And you know what Senator Obama had to say to Joe? He wanted to spread his wealth around. He wanted to spread his wealth around."
Good Old Barack "Karl Marx" Obama. He's out there to grab working class families' money so he can spread it around.
Lets just ignore the mighty reverse socialism that the Bush camp just did engineer for the wealthy in the last few weeks, now named a "Main Street rescue package" though Main Street, they warn, won't feel the relief for years.
But CNN shows that Obama's statements to Joe illustrate that he has a much better plan than McCain's words imply, and would give the plumber a tax break, not an increase.
Obama explained his tax plan during the roughly five-minute exchange � telling Wurzelbacher that the tax rate on the portion of his income that was more than $250,000 would be increased from 36 percent to 39 percent. But he also mentioned that his plan includes a 50 percent small-business tax credit for health care and a proposal to eliminate the capital-gains tax for small businesses that increase in value. Obama said his tax plan, which he said focuses on bigger breaks for people making lower incomes, would be good for the economy. "If you've got a plumbing business, you're going to be better off if you've got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you," he said. "Right now, everybody's so pinched that business is bad for everybody. And I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
BTW, for anyone unclear on the concept, what a business makes is not what a business owner earns. There are lots of business expenses, especially when that business has two employees, and needs a lot of equipment and some basic office supplies and computers (not to mention special progaming) for billing, payroll, and accounts payable.
Now, if after all that, Joe would have ended up in the top 5% of income earners after all the business and personal deductions then Senator Obama shows how much better it would be if other people had a bit more money to pay him.
It's the old saying. Please pay me now so I can pay Mario the Grocer, so he can pay Alice the mechanic, so she can pay Tom painter, so he can pay Nadia, the owner of the paint store, so she can hire you to fix her sink. (Okay, in the old days all the names were all male, and seemingly white -- like Alice's caterpillar, I improved it).
Right now, a lot of our money is being siphoned of through laws, war, and favoritism into a reverse socialism straight into the pockets of the wealthy, powerful, especially if they are monetary supporters of the Republican party and its candidates. Eric Prince who runs Blackwater a relatively new business that makes billions off the government each year and gets de fact immunity for their killings in Iraq comes from an extended family that not only has given millions to right wing groups, but did so early, and in fact floated the money for the groups that started enforcing Republican loyalty by American fundametalist Christians.
I'm ready for a change.
And to be honest, I liked JFK, and his reduction of 90% tax on the wealthy was probably necessary, but during the primary, while reading about the destruction of FDR Glass Steagal act, I noticed that the first moves to destroy the regulations on banking came when wealthy people got that tax break opening up big chunks of money they could use to buy up bits of the news media and otherwise manipulate our political system. I now do not think it's just chance that Nixon become president 8 years after JFK took office.
Now that Americans have seen how bad it can become, and with the rise of non mainstream news, I'm hoping the middle and working classes will have a chance for a power surge. It will take vigilance in keeping informed, while rejecting the articles that are planted in the news through the power that the wealthy still have over the apparatus of the media.
BTW, I read elsewhere that Obama's proposal would actually hit singles at $200k while hitting families (I assume heads of households and joint filers) at $250k. Joe would qualify as a head of household since he would seem to pay for the majority of the support of the son who lives with him. (I'm guessing there. Mom could be a high powered lawyer somewhere who sends Baby Daddy a check each month, but I go on the information I have.) Anyway, the point is that Joes probably wouldn't owe more taxes in his position as even he seemed to indicate.
In an interview with CNN on Thursday, October 16, Wurzelbacher said he had misunderstood Obama's plan and that the company he wants to buy makes well less than $250,000 a year � which Obama says means his taxes would not be increased.
CNN's conclusion:
Misleading. McCain's remark was an oversimplification of a five-minute-long conversation. Obama replied in great detail about his tax plan, and the "spread the wealth" remark was one small part of the conversation.
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 8:23pm
Those who claim that repealing the discredited tax cuts for the wealthy constitutes socialism because it means redistribution of wealth are resting their case in part on something Obama said seven years ago. Here is what Obama said, in response to a Supreme Court civil rights decision:
But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of the wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent, as radical as I think people tried to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn�t that radical. It didn�t break us free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution � And the Warren Court interpreted, in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties � I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gLBaoE7NjOjG6VtBb8hJjgGb-vxwD943LJ8G1 - http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gLBaoE7NjOjG6VtBb8hJjgGb-vxwD943LJ8G1
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 9:56pm
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for right now at least, and I certainly DO NOT want a Socialistic or Communistic government, do you?
My dear friend, thank you for proving my point that flag worship just blocks heads.
Let's be honest. Please tell me what do you know about a socialist country or for that matter about Socialism? Were you ever given the FREEDOM (that your flag seems to reflect) of CHOICE of a financial system?
The whole world was pushed, bullied into a hundred regional wars. Millions of people, YES MILLION OF PEOPLE, were killed, murdered, liquidated, directly by the United States or by their pimps and puppets - just to kill socialism.
What a fiesta, we did kill socialism and danced in the streets. We bombed out pobre Yugolslavia just because it was one of the last socialist countries left on the map - just to kill socialism.
We spent all our tax payers money on keeping you from finding our, from ever having the ability to find out if there were other systems in our world - in fact from keeping you from finding out if there was any world beyond this bloodied flag!
Yes, we had a grand party for a few years after we had slain that great devil: socialism! We danced in the street naked, well almost.
Okay, my friend, we killed socialism at the cost of TRILLIONS of your dollars that could have been spent on your dental care or some other thing just a wee better than our greatest asset: el Smart Bomb!
Can you just please wisen me on why is this great gaad of all financial systems, our Capitalism, now in coma? Why is it not doing what we had been told it does? Who come it's not as omni potent as it was made to look to us?
Why is it dying just on its own without anyone trying to kill it with all the cost that your governments had put into killing communism in the past 62 years?
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 10:50pm
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Yes, your point is well taken, Israfil...it certainly is. Of course millions of people throughout Europe were killed in WWII before Hitler's army was defeated. It was horrible! Thousands of Americans were killed helping to free these people from this insane madman, and if we had not come to their aid (as other countries also did) millions more likely would have died as well.
Israfil, I am sure you (and Hayfa) know our cemeteries are full of the graves of soldiers who were killed in WWII. There are tombs in cemeteries overseas as well.....Flanders Field, for example. Did you really study D-Day, the invasion?
America does have a democracy....
If it has a democracy? then you are a full part in killing the ONE MILLION in Iraq?
I received a phone call today from my sister who has lived in England for 30+ years, as she is married to a Brit. She is very ill, but has learned it will be days before she can see a doctor. She has many illnesses, and her husband has cancer, but it takes forever to get the treatment they need.
I am sorry, I never had that problem at all. They rushed me in at the exact time and got my kidneys functioning, put the heart back in order and sent me home.
At the worst they just have to wait ONLY if their GP thinks that they are not perishing with it. HOW many Americans have anything like the UK NHS?
It�s okay to spend TRILLIONS on war and for the PIPE PROTECTION FORCE in Afghanistan but bad to spend a penny on some poor American�s teeth.
he fought in the Vietnam War, and it is not his fault that our government threw our military into a war they knew we could never win.....we weren't supposed to win it.
What you are saying is that WAR is okay if you are going to win it?
So now Vietnam is a Communist country.
I didn�t realise that los pobre communists are not people? They are some aliens of the type we see in those American movies? Reptiles in human skins?
It�s a system just as good or as bad as the one you have been sold as some gaad!
See, I did tell you that the flag worship does close the minds.
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 11:09pm
Over One Million Iraqi Deaths Caused by US OccupationIN http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/category/y-2009/ - TOP 25 CENSORED STORIES FOR 2009
Sources: After Downing Street, July 6, 2007 Title: �Is the United States Killing 10,000 Iraqis Every Month? Or Is It More?� Author: Michael Schwartz
AlterNet, September 17, 2007 Title: �Iraq death toll rivals Rwanda genocide, Cambodian killing fields� Author: Joshua Holland
Reuters (via AlterNet), January 7, 2008 Title: �Iraq conflict has killed a million, says survey� Author: Luke Baker
Inter Press Service, March 3, 2008 Title: �Iraq: Not our country to Return to� Authors: Maki al-Nazzal and Dahr Jamail
Student Researchers: Danielle Stanton, Tim LeDonne, and Kat Pat Cresp�n Faculty Evaluator: Heidi LaMoreaux, PhD
Over one million Iraqis have met violent deaths as a result of the 2003 invasion, according to a study conducted by the prestigious British polling group, Opinion Research Business (ORB). These numbers suggest that the invasion and occupation of Iraq rivals the mass killings of the last century�the human toll exceeds the 800,000 to 900,000 believed killed in the Rwandan genocide in 1994, and is approaching the number (1.7 million) who died in Cambodia�s infamous �Killing Fields� during the Khmer Rouge era of the 1970s.
ORB�s research covered fifteen of Iraq�s eighteen provinces. Those not covered include two of Iraq�s more volatile regions�Kerbala and Anbar�and the northern province of Arbil, where local authorities refused them a permit to work. In face-to-face interviews with 2,414 adults, the poll found that more than one in five respondents had had at least one death in their household as a result of the conflict, as opposed to natural cause.
Authors Joshua Holland and Michael Schwartz point out that the dominant narrative on Iraq�that most of the violence against Iraqis is being perpetrated by Iraqis themselves and is not our responsibility�is ill conceived. Interviewers from the Lancet report of October 2006 (Censored 2006, #2) asked Iraqi respondents how their loved ones died. Of deaths for which families were certain of the perpetrator, 56 percent were attributable to US forces or their allies. Schwartz suggests that if a low pro rata share of half the unattributed deaths were caused by US forces, a total of approximately 80 percent of Iraqi deaths are directly US perpetrated.
Even with the lower confirmed figures, by the end of 2006, an average of 5,000 Iraqis had been killed every month by US forces since the beginning of the occupation. However, the rate of fatalities in 2006 was twice as high as the overall average, meaning that the American average in 2006 was well over 10,000 per month, or over 300 Iraqis every day. With the surge that began in 2007, the current figure is likely even higher.
Schwartz points out that the logic to this carnage lies in a statistic released by the US military and reported by the Brookings Institute: for the first four years of the occupation the American military sent over 1,000 patrols each day into hostile neighborhoods, looking to capture or kill �insurgents� and �terrorists.� (Since February 2007, the number has increased to nearly 5,000 patrols a day, if we include the Iraqi troops participating in the American surge.) Each patrol invades an average of thirty Iraqi homes a day, with the mission to interrogate, arrest, or kill suspects. In this context, any fighting age man is not just a suspect, but a potentially lethal adversary. Our soldiers are told not to take any chances (see Story #9).
According to US military statistics, again reported by the Brookings Institute, these patrols currently result in just under 3,000 firefights every month, or just under an average of one hundred per day (not counting the additional twenty-five or so involving our Iraqi allies). Thousands of patrols result in thousands of innocent Iraqi deaths and unconscionably brutal detentions.
Iraqis� attempts to escape the violence have resulted in a refugee crisis of mammoth proportion. According to the United Nations Refugee Agency and the International Organization for Migration, in 2007 almost 5 million Iraqis had been displaced by violence in their country, the vast majority of which had fled since 2003. Over 2.4 million vacated their homes for safer areas within Iraq, up to 1.5 million were living in Syria, and over 1 million refugees were inhabiting Jordan, Iran, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey, and Gulf States. Iraq�s refugees, increasing by an average of almost 100,000 every month, have no legal work options in most host states and provinces and are increasingly desperate.1
Yet more Iraqis continue to flee their homes than the numbers returning, despite official claims to the contrary. Thousands fleeing say security is as bad as ever, and that to return would be to accept death. Most of those who return are subsequently displaced again.
Maki al-Nazzal and Dahr Jamail quote an Iraqi engineer now working at a restaurant in Damascus, �Return to Iraq? There is no Iraq to return to, my friend. Iraq only exists in our dreams and memories.�
Another interviewee told the authors, �The US military say Fallujah is safe now while over 800 men are detained there under the worst conditions. . . . At least 750 out of the 800 detainees are not resistance fighters, but people who refused to collaborate with occupation forces and their tails.� (Iraqis who collaborate with occupation forces are commonly referred to as �tails of the Americans.�)
Another refugee from Baghdad said, �I took my family back home in January. The first night we arrived, Americans raided our house and kept us all in one room while their snipers used our rooftop to shoot at people. I decided to come back here [Damascus] the next morning after a horrifying night that we will never forget.�
Citation
1. �The Iraqi Displacement Crisis,� Refugees International, March 3, 2008.
UPDATE BY MICHAEL SCHWARTZ
The mortality statistics cited in �Is the United States Killing 10,000 Iraqis Every Month?� were based on another article suitable for Project Censored recognition, a scientific investigation of deaths caused by the war in Iraq. The original article, published in Lancet in 2006, received some dismissive coverage when it was released, and then disappeared from view as the mainstream media returned to reporting biased estimates that placed Iraqi casualties at about one-tenth the Lancet estimates. The corporate media blackout of the original study extended to my article as well, and has continued unabated, though the Lancet article has withstood several waves of criticism, while being confirmed and updated by other studies (Censored 2006, #2).
By early 2008, the best estimate, based on extrapolations and replications of the Lancet study, was that 1.2 million Iraqis had died as a consequence of the war. This figure has not, to my knowledge, been reported in any mass media outlet in the United States.
The blackout of the casualty figures was matched by a similar blackout of other main evidence in my article: that the Bush administration military strategy in Iraq assures vast property destruction and lethality on a daily basis. Rules of engagement that require the approximately one thousand US patrols each day to respond to any hostile act with overwhelming firepower�small arms, artillery, and air power�guarantee that large numbers of civilians will suffer and die. But the mainstream media refuses to cover this mayhem, even after the Winter Soldier meetings in March 2008 featured over one hundred Iraq veterans who testified to their own participation in what they call �atrocity producing situations.� (see Story #9)
The effectiveness of the media blackout is vividly illustrated by an Associated Press poll conducted in February 2007, which asked a representative sample of US residents how many Iraqis had died as a result of the war. The average respondent thought the number was under 10,000, about 2 percent of the actual total at that time. This remarkable mass ignorance, like so many other elements of the Iraq War story, received no coverage in the mass media, not even by the Associated Press, which commissioned the study.
The Iraq Veterans Against the War has made the brutality of the occupation their special activist province. The slaughter of the Iraqi people is the foundation of their demand for immediate and full withdrawal of US troops, and the subject of their historic Winter Soldier meetings in Baltimore. Though there was no mainstream US media coverage of this event, the live streaming on Pacifica Radio and on the IVAW website reached a huge audience�including a vast number of active duty soldiers�with vivid descriptions of atrocities committed by the US war machine. A growing number of independent news sites now feature regular coverage of this aspect of the war, including Democracy Now!, Tom Dispatch, Dahr Jamail�s MidEast Dispatches, Informed Comment, Antiwar.com, and ZNet.
UPDATE BY MAKI AL-NAZZAL AND DAHR JAMAIL
The promotion of US general David Petraeus to head CENTCOM, and General Raymond Odierno to replace Petraeus as commanding general of the Multi-National Force in Iraq, provoked a lot of anger amongst Iraqis in both Syria and Jordan. The two generals who convinced US and international society of improvement in Iraq do not seem to have succeeded in convincing Iraqi refugees of their success.
�Just like the Bush Administration decorated Paul Bremer (former head of the Coalition Provisional Authority), they are rewarding others who participated in the destruction to Iraq,� stated Muhammad Shamil, an Iraqi journalist who fled Iraq to Syria in 2006. �What they call violence was concentrated in some parts of Iraq, but now spread to be all over the country, thanks to US war heroes. People are getting killed, evicted or detained by the thousands, from Basra (South) to Mosul (North).�
Other Iraqi refugees seem to have changed attitudes regarding their hopes to return. Compared to when this story was published in March 2008, the refugee crisis continues to deepen. This is exacerbated by the fact that most Iraqis have no intention of returning home. Instead, they are looking for permanent residence in other countries.
�I decided to stop dreaming of going back home and find myself a new home anywhere in the world if I could,� said thirty-two-year-old Maha Numan in Syria, �I have been a refugee for three years now living on the dream of return, but I decided to stop dreaming. I have lost faith in all leaders of the world after the surges of Basra, Sadr City and now Mosul. This seems to be endless and one has to work harder on finding a safe haven for one�s family.�
Iraqis in Syria know a lot more of the news about their country than most journalists. At an Internet caf� in Damascus, each of them calls his hometown and reports the happenings of the day to other Iraqi refugees. News of ongoing violence across much of Iraq convinces them to remain abroad.
�There were four various explosions in Fallujah today,� said Salam Adel, who worked as a translator for US forces in Fallujah in 2005. �And they say it is safe to go back! Damn them, go back for what? For roadside bombs or car bombs?�
It has been important, politically, for the Bush administration to claim that the situation in Iraq is improving. This claim has been assisted by a complicit corporate media. However, the 1.5 million Iraqis in Syria, and over 750,000 in Jordan, will tell you differently. Otherwise, they would not remain outside of Iraq.
To obtain updated information on the refugee crisis, see http://www.irinnews.org/IRIN-ME.aspx - http://www.irinnews.org/IRIN-ME.aspx , http://www.iraqredcrescent/ - http://www.iraqredcrescent .org/, http://www.refugeesinternational.org/section/waystohelp - http://www.refugeesinternational.org/section/waystohelp , http://www.unhcr.org/iraq.html - http://www.unhcr.org/iraq.html , and http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/ - http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/ .
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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 11:15pm
PattyaMainer wrote:
Angela wrote:
I think she's a dimwitted, brainwashed evangelical neo-con and a danger to society as a whole.
I also think she is utterly, completely and totally unqualified for the job.
I've never held political office but I am more traveled, educated and have more ACTUAL foreign policy experience.
And frankly, for McCain to put her 1 heartbeat from the Presidency is irresponsible and shows a complete lack of respect for the security of this nation.
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Hi Angela,
I'm really just curious. What is your experience in foreign policy? Sarah Palin has had to negotiate with the Russian government. Does your experience surpass that?
Peace to you,
Patty |
From across the seas, I'm not keen on sarah Palin or John McCain.
Anyway, I thought it was hypercritical of the country that when Sarah's teenager daughter was found out to be pregnant, there was no uproar over it especailly from the conservatives and religious folks but when Jamie Lynn spears was pregnant the people called who white trash and she's not a role model any more, questioned her christian faith and all, telling the networks that Jamie should get sacked from her show. But when it came to Sarah's daughter, where was all that??? That spoke volumes to me. I couldn't believe the vast difference here is two teenagers who fell pregnant who both are somewhat in the limelight but for one it was ok???
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 11:41pm
Would it not be interesting to see what an average Amreeki is allowed to know and what is censored? Freedoms!
Top 25 Censored Stories for 2009
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/1-over-one-million-iraqi-deaths-caused-by-us-occupation/ - #1. Over One Million Iraqi Deaths Caused by US Occupation
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/2-security-and-prosperity-partnership-militarized-nafta/ - # 2 Security and Prosperity Partnership: Militarized NAFTA
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/3-infragard-the-fbi-deputizes-business/ - # 3 InfraGard: The FBI Deputizes Business
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/4-ilea-is-the-us-restarting-dirty-wars-in-latin-america/ - # 4 ILEA: Is the US Restarting Dirty Wars in Latin America?
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/5-seizing-war-protesters-assets/ - # 5 Seizing War Protesters� Assets
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/6-the-homegrown-terrorism-prevention-act/ - # 6 The Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/7-guest-workers-inc-fraud-and-human-trafficking/ - # 7 Guest Workers Inc.: Fraud and Human Trafficking
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/8-executive-orders-can-be-changed-secretly/ - # 8 Executive Orders Can Be Changed Secretly
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/9-iraq-and-afghanistan-vets-testify/ - #9 Iraq and Afghanistan Vets Testify
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/10-apa-complicit-in-cia-torture/ - # 10 APA Complicit in CIA Torture
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/11-el-salvadors-water-privatization-and-the-global-war-on-terror/ - # 11 El Salvador�s Water Privatization and the Global War on Terror
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/12-bush-profiteers-collect-billions-from-no-child-left-behind/ - # 12 Bush Profiteers Collect Billions From No Child Left Behind
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/13-tracking-billions-of-dollars-lost-in-iraq/ - # 13 Tracking Billions of Dollars Lost in Iraq
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/14-mainstreaming-nuclear-waste/ - # 14 Mainstreaming Nuclear Waste
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/15-worldwide-slavery/ - # 15 Worldwide Slavery
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/16-annual-survey-on-trade-union-rights/ - # 16 Annual Survey on Trade Union Rights
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/17-uns-empty-declaration-of-indigenous-rights/ - # 17 UN�s Empty Declaration of Indigenous Rights
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/18-cruelty-and-death-in-juvenile-detention-centers/ - # 18 Cruelty and Death in Juvenile Detention Centers
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/19-indigenous-herders-and-small-farmers-fight-livestock-extinction/ - # 19 Indigenous Herders and Small Farmers Fight Livestock Extinction
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/20-marijuana-arrests-set-new-record/ - # 20 Marijuana Arrests Set New Record
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/21-nato-considers-first-strike-nuclear-option/ - # 21 NATO Considers �First Strike� Nuclear Option
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/22-care-rejects-us-food-aid/ - # 22 CARE Rejects US Food Aid
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/23-fda-complicit-in-pushing-pharmaceutical-drugs/ - # 23 FDA Complicit in Pushing Pharmaceutical Drugs
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/24-japan-questions-9-11-and-the-global-war-on-terror/ - # 24 Japan Questions 9/11 and the Global War on Terror
- http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/25-bushs-real-problem-with-eliot-spitzer/ - # 25 Bush�s Real Problem with Eliot Spitzer
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 5:50am
Whisper wrote:
Yes, your point is well taken, Israfil...it certainly is. Of course millions of people throughout Europe were killed in WWII before Hitler's army was defeated. It was horrible! Thousands of Americans were killed helping to free these people from this insane madman, and if we had not come to their aid (as other countries also did) millions more likely would have died as well.
Israfil, I am sure you (and Hayfa) know our cemeteries are full of the graves of soldiers who were killed in WWII. There are tombs in cemeteries overseas as well.....Flanders Field, for example. Did you really study D-Day, the invasion?
America does have a democracy....
If it has a democracy? then you are a full part in killing the ONE MILLION in Iraq?
I received a phone call today from my sister who has lived in England for 30+ years, as she is married to a Brit. She is very ill, but has learned it will be days before she can see a doctor. She has many illnesses, and her husband has cancer, but it takes forever to get the treatment they need.
I am sorry, I never had that problem at all. They rushed me in at the exact time and got my kidneys functioning, put the heart back in order and sent me home.
At the worst they just have to wait ONLY if their GP thinks that they are not perishing with it. HOW many Americans have anything like the UK NHS?
It�s okay to spend TRILLIONS on war and for the PIPE PROTECTION FORCE in Afghanistan but bad to spend a penny on some poor American�s teeth.
he fought in the Vietnam War, and it is not his fault that our government threw our military into a war they knew we could never win.....we weren't supposed to win it.
What you are saying is that WAR is okay if you are going to win it?
So now Vietnam is a Communist country.
I didn�t realise that los pobre communists are not people? They are some aliens of the type we see in those American movies? Reptiles in human skins?
It�s a system just as good or as bad as the one you have been sold as some gaad!
See, I did tell you that the flag worship does close the minds. |
Sasha,
I don't have the energy or the desire to engage in your anti, anti babble right now. You are twisting my words....you know it, and I know it.
No the people of Vietnam are not to blame in any way for the monster who was called Ho Chi Min. The "people" of these countries are the innocent ones. I have always stressed that, so don't twist my words. In England I have many friends and relatives. I do know what the medical system is like there. If there is a TRUE EMERGENCY you will be treated right away, while the poor saps who are just plain sick will wait. My sister and her family were in an automobile accident several years ago. They had broken bones and many injuries, especially the children. OF COURSE they were treated immediately then. I am talking about the many illnesses people have which suck the life out of them, but are NOT considered emergencies. They can just bide their time and wait.
I do care very much about people, all people, and I am really tired of you attempting to put words in my mouth to the contrary. You do this to anyone who has an opinion which differs from yours. Sasha, everyone has a right to their own opinion. EVERYONE. It is not my mind that is closed....it is yours.
I am most certainly NOT a flag worshipper. I worship God. Or do I have the right to worship my God in my own way now? I respect and show loyalty to what my flag represents to me. You can now please stop twisting and turning my words around.
I hope we all find peace one day,
Patty
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 6:05am
Angel wrote:
PattyaMainer wrote:
Angela wrote:
I think she's a dimwitted, brainwashed evangelical neo-con and a danger to society as a whole.
I also think she is utterly, completely and totally unqualified for the job.
I've never held political office but I am more traveled, educated and have more ACTUAL foreign policy experience.
And frankly, for McCain to put her 1 heartbeat from the Presidency is irresponsible and shows a complete lack of respect for the security of this nation.
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Hi Angela,
I'm really just curious. What is your experience in foreign policy? Sarah Palin has had to negotiate with the Russian government. Does your experience surpass that?
Peace to you,
Patty |
From across the seas, I'm not keen on sarah Palin or John McCain.
Anyway, I thought it was hypercritical of the country that when Sarah's teenager daughter was found out to be pregnant, there was no uproar over it especailly from the conservatives and religious folks but when Jamie Lynn spears was pregnant the people called who white trash and she's not a role model any more, questioned her christian faith and all, telling the networks that Jamie should get sacked from her show. But when it came to Sarah's daughter, where was all that??? That spoke volumes to me. I couldn't believe the vast difference here is two teenagers who fell pregnant who both are somewhat in the limelight but for one it was ok??? |
No, it wasn't okay, Angel. The Palin family never said it was "okay." They said they are a normal family and in all families situations like this occur, and they will have to deal with it the best they can. Their daughter is going to marry the boyfriend and they are going to raise the child. I think the "trash" in this case are the magazines (which I can't stand to begin with) which report these incidents to the public in such a way as to incite the emotions of the readers. That sells a lot of garbage!! Jamie Spears should not be penalized for her actions any more than ANY other girl who uses poor judgement and becomes sexually active before marriage. It is wrong no matter WHO you are. The press loves to report these situations though because they make a lot of money by doing it. I refuse to listen to the news which is printed by these gossip magazines. They are twisted, distorted, and quite often a pack of lies. I wish Jamie Spears all the best with her child and her life. She is going to need a lot of help and encouragement, and I hope she receives it. But don't make the mistake of actually believing everything you read in these disgusting magazines. And to answer your question, NO, I don't think there should be any difference between how Sarah Palin's daughter is treated and Brittany Spears' sister is treated. They are both two young girls who have made a serious error in judgement, and now we'll see how they handle their errors.
Hey....good talkin' to you again Angel! 
Patty
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 3:19pm
n Afghanistan itself, an increasingly unpopular U.S. air war, with all its "collateral damage," continues. Only last week, in a "friendly fire" incident, American planes leveled an Afghan Army checkpoint, http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-afghan23-2008oct23,0,1736242.story - killing nine Afghan soldiers and wounding three. (After its usual initial reluctance, the Pentagon magnanimously http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/23/world/asia/23afghan.htm - blamed those casualties on "a case of mistaken identity on both sides.") And southwest of Kabul, reports came in that another American air strike had http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=431918 - killed at least 20 private security guards for a road construction project.
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 3:23pm
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No the people of Vietnam are not to blame in any way for the monster who was called Ho Chi Min.
Time proved that the Vietnames loved this "monster" to the last. Who are the American's to decide who is a monster and who is not?
He was a monster for you rlot, for them he was the most beloved man in their world!
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 3:27pm
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It is not my mind that is closed....it is yours.
Shall we hold a poll on that? I have an open mind just for the reason that I have NEVER sworn any allegiance to some flag.
I worship God.
My friend when we worship God, we swear allegiance to HIM - not to some piece of rag.
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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 3:31pm
PattyaMainer wrote:
Angel wrote:
PattyaMainer wrote:
Angela wrote:
I think she's a dimwitted, brainwashed evangelical neo-con and a danger to society as a whole.
I also think she is utterly, completely and totally unqualified for the job.
I've never held political office but I am more traveled, educated and have more ACTUAL foreign policy experience.
And frankly, for McCain to put her 1 heartbeat from the Presidency is irresponsible and shows a complete lack of respect for the security of this nation.
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Hi Angela,
I'm really just curious. What is your experience in foreign policy? Sarah Palin has had to negotiate with the Russian government. Does your experience surpass that?
Peace to you,
Patty |
From across the seas, I'm not keen on sarah Palin or John McCain.
Anyway, I thought it was hypercritical of the country that when Sarah's teenager daughter was found out to be pregnant, there was no uproar over it especailly from the conservatives and religious folks but when Jamie Lynn spears was pregnant the people called who white trash and she's not a role model any more, questioned her christian faith and all, telling the networks that Jamie should get sacked from her show. But when it came to Sarah's daughter, where was all that??? That spoke volumes to me. I couldn't believe the vast difference here is two teenagers who fell pregnant who both are somewhat in the limelight but for one it was ok??? |
No, it wasn't okay, Angel. The Palin family never said it was "okay." |
You might want to re-read what I said, I never said that the family said it was ok.
I think the "trash" in this case are the magazines (which I can't stand to begin with) which report these incidents to the public in such a way as to incite the emotions of the readers. |
Actually it wasn't the magazines it was from the people themselves, teachers, parents.
And to answer your question, NO, I don't think there should be any difference between how Sarah Palin's daughter is treated and Brittany Spears' sister is treated. |
glad you agree, but there were a lot of people and uproar over Jamie being pregnant and not Sarah's daughter, the vast difference spoke alot to me, as if it was ok for one and not the other.
Hey....good talkin' to you again Angel!
Patty |
same here, had some family issues to deal with and somewhat still going. Working alot more to. ------------- ~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 3:59pm
Expanding War, Contracting MeaningThe Next President and the Global War on Terror By Andrew J. Bacevich
A week ago, I had a long conversation with a four-star U.S. military officer who, until his recent retirement, had played a central role in directing the global war on terror. I asked him: what exactly is the strategy that guides the Bush administration's conduct of this war? His dismaying, if not exactly surprising, answer: there is none.
President Bush will bequeath to his successor the ultimate self-licking ice cream cone. To defense contractors, lobbyists, think-tankers, ambitious military officers, the hosts of Sunday morning talk shows, and the Douglas Feith-like creatures who maneuver to become players in the ultimate power game, the Global War on Terror is a boon, an enterprise redolent with opportunity and promising to extend decades into the future.
Yet, to a considerable extent, that very enterprise has become a fiction, a gimmicky phrase employed to lend an appearance of cohesion to a panoply of activities that, in reality, are contradictory, counterproductive, or at the very least beside the point. In this sense, the global war on terror relates to terrorism precisely as the war on drugs relates to drug abuse and dependence: declaring a state of permanent "war" sustains the pretense of actually dealing with a serious problem, even as policymakers pay lip-service to the problem's actual sources. The war on drugs is a very expensive fraud. So, too, is the Global War on Terror.
Anyone intent on identifying some unifying idea that explains U.S. actions, military and otherwise, across the Greater Middle East is in for a disappointment. During World War II, President Franklin D. Roosevelt laid down "Germany first" and then "unconditional surrender" as core principles. Early in the Cold War, the Truman administration devised the concept of containment, which for decades thereafter provided a conceptual framework to which policymakers adhered. Yet seven years into its Global War on Terror, the Bush administration is without a compass, wandering in the arid wilderness. To the extent that any inkling of a strategy once existed -- the preposterous neoconservative vision of employing American power to "transform" the Islamic world -- events have long since demolished the assumptions on which it was based.
Rather than one single war, the United States is presently engaged in several.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0805088156/ref=nosim/?tag=nationbooks08-20"> Ranking first in importance is the war for Bush's legacy, better known as Iraq. The President himself will never back away from his insistence that here lies the "central front" of the conflict he initiated after 9/11. Hunkered down in their bunker, Bush and his few remaining supporters would have us believe that the "surge" has, at long last, brought victory in sight and with it some prospect of redeeming this otherwise misbegotten and mismanaged endeavor. If the President can leave office spouting assurances that light is finally visible somewhere at the far end of a very long, very dark Mesopotamian tunnel, he will claim at least partial vindication. And if actual developments subsequent to January 20 don't turn out well, he can always blame the outcome on his successor.
Next comes the orphan war. This is Afghanistan, a conflict now in its eighth year with no signs of ending anytime soon. Given the attention lavished on Iraq, developments in Afghanistan have until recently attracted only intermittent notice. Lately, however, U.S. officials have awakened to the fact that things are going poorly, both politically and militarily. Al Qaeda persists. The Taliban is reasserting itself. Expectations that NATO might ride to the rescue have proven illusory. Apart from enabling Afghanistan to reclaim its status as the world's number one producer of opium, U.S. efforts to pacify that nation and nudge it toward modernity have produced little.
The Pentagon calls its intervention in Afghanistan Operation Enduring Freedom. The emphasis was supposed to be on the noun. Unfortunately, the adjective conveys the campaign's defining characteristic: enduring as in endless. Barring a radical re-definition of purpose, this is an enterprise which promises to continue, consuming lives and treasure, for a long, long time.
In neighboring Pakistan, meanwhile, there is the war-hidden-in-plain-sight. Reports of U.S. military action in Pakistan have now become everyday fare. Air strikes, typically launched from missile-carrying drones, are commonplace, and U.S. ground forces have also conducted at least one cross-border raid from inside Afghanistan. Although the White House doesn't call this a war, it is -- a gradually escalating war of attrition in which we are killing both terrorists and noncombatants. Unfortunately, we are killing too few of the former to make a difference and more than enough of the latter to facilitate the recruitment of new terrorists to replace those we eliminate.
Finally -- skipping past the wars-in-waiting, which are Syria and Iran -- there is Condi's war. This clash, which does not directly involve U.S. forces, may actually be the most important of all. The war that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has made her own is the ongoing conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. Having for years dismissed the insistence of Muslims, Arabs and non-Arabs alike, that the plight of the Palestinians constitutes a problem of paramount importance, Rice now embraces that view. With the fervor of a convert, she has vowed to broker an end to that conflict prior to leaving office in January 2009.
Given that Rice brings little -- perhaps nothing -- to the effort in the way of fresh ideas, her prospects of making good as a peacemaker appear slight. Yet, as with Bush and Iraq, so too with Rice and the Palestinian problem: she has a lot riding on the effort. If she flops, history will remember her as America's least effective secretary of state since Cordell Hull spent World War II being ignored, bypassed, and humiliated by Franklin Roosevelt. She will depart Foggy Bottom having accomplished nothing.
There's nothing inherently wrong in fighting simultaneously on several fronts, as long as actions on front A are compatible with those on front B, and together contribute to overall success. Unfortunately, that is not the case with the Global War on Terror. We have instead an illustration of what Winston Churchill once referred to as a pudding without a theme: a war devoid of strategic purpose.
This absence of cohesion -- by now a hallmark of the Bush administration -- is both a disaster and an opportunity. It is a disaster in the sense that we have, over the past seven years, expended enormous resources, while gaining precious little in return.
Bush's supporters beg to differ, of course. They credit the president with having averted a recurrence of 9/11, doubtless a commendable achievement but one primarily attributable to the fact that the United States no longer neglects airport security. To argue that, say, the invasion and occupation of Iraq have prevented terrorist attacks against the United States is the equivalent of contending that Israel's occupation of the West Bank since in 1967 has prevented terrorist attacks against the state of Israel.
Yet the existing strategic vacuum is also an opportunity. When it comes to national security at least, the agenda of the next administration all but sets itself. There is no need to waste time arguing about which issues demand priority action.
First-order questions are begging for attention. How should we gauge the threat? What are the principles that should inform our response? What forms of power are most relevant to implementing that response? Are the means at hand adequate to the task? If not, how should national priorities be adjusted to provide the means required? Given the challenges ahead, how should the government organize itself? Who -- both agencies and individuals -- will lead?
To each and every one of these questions, the Bush administration devised answers that turned out to be dead wrong. The next administration needs to do better. The place to begin is with the candid recognition that the Global War on Terror has effectively ceased to exist. When it comes to national security strategy, we need to start over from scratch.
Andrew J. Bacevich is professor of history and international relations at Boston University. His bestselling new book is http://www.amazon.com/dp/0805088156/ref=nosim/?tag=nationbooks08-20 - The Limits of Power: The End of American Exceptionalism (The American Empire Project, Metropolitan Books). To listen to a podcast in which he discusses issues relevant to this article, click http://tomdispatch.blogspot.com/ - here
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 01 November 2008 at 1:11am
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Hi Angela,
I'm really just curious. What is your experience in foreign policy? Sarah Palin has had to negotiate with the Russian government. Does your experience surpass that?
Angela would beat that anytime if ever the need arises just with her soul and Intellectual Honesty - please, mark my caps!
What is negotiating with any government? Or, I should say, could you show me one goverment that is not formed by absolute pin heads who seem to excell just at vulgarity?
Please, don't try and paint Government as something divine and as if blessed by Jesus himself.
Our Angela doesn't look, smells or ever behaves as vulgarly as thy Sarah Palin!
Has anyone ever watched that Brit TV series starring the Australian actor Barry Humphreys? Dame Edna Average? Palin looks like some man dressed up as a woman. Well, she is an Honorary man, anyway. And, not a terribly good looking man at that!
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 01 November 2008 at 8:18am
Whisper wrote:
Hi Angela,
I'm really just curious. What is your experience in foreign policy? Sarah Palin has had to negotiate with the Russian government. Does your experience surpass that?
Angela would beat that anytime if ever the need arises just with her soul and Intellectual Honesty - please, mark my caps!
What is negotiating with any government? Or, I should say, could you show me one goverment that is not formed by absolute pin heads who seem to excell just at vulgarity?
Please, don't try and paint Government as something divine and as if blessed by Jesus himself.
Our Angela doesn't look, smells or ever behaves as vulgarly as thy Sarah Palin!
Has anyone ever watched that Brit TV series starring the Australian actor Barry Humphreys? Dame Edna Average? Palin looks like some man dressed up as a woman. Well, she is an Honorary man, anyway. And, not a terribly good looking man at that! |
I was not trying to paint anything. I guess you misunderstood. Why are you bashing a woman's looks? Not everyone agrees with your opinion on that one, but even so, looks do NOT a person make. That is vanity and should be shunned.
Sasha, no disrespect intended, but I believe I asked Angela the question. I knew she went back to take some college courses, and you may not realize it, but Angela and I have spoken many times privately. I was curious to see what she is doing now, because I have not "chatted" with her for some time.
Best Regards to you,
Patty
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Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 01 November 2008 at 6:13pm
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If there is a TRUE EMERGENCY you will be treated right away, while the poor saps who are just plain sick will wait.
Patty, do you not think this happens here ALL the time to people who cannot afford coverage.. the 48 million poor or working poor, middle class of this country? Goodness.. maybe they are the invisible people that we just ignore. Those people don't even get a doctor. And yes the medical system will "prioritize." And it should be based on need, not as it is here, based strictly upon money. (Though the really rich anywhere will get better care than anyone and this is true anywhere) You think that any average uninsured person can just walk in and get cancer treatment or for other ailments??? Where do you live, what country? You make it sound like the British have it all bad and we have it all great.And people use this world "socialized medicine" as if its dirty to help all people.
I guess its shocking Patty, as you profess to care about people, you hate suffering, death and killing, by your words. And yet if a president may propose to give help to these people, with basic affordable health care.. oh that's terrible, cause I might have to give up something. How many lower income people suffer, suffer endlessly cause they cannot get a doctor, or have to go such much wait and beauracracy (maybe longer than your family in the UK) to get any, any assistance. These people don't get even basic preventive medicine. That is a crime of morality (that you are big on).
------------- When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 01 November 2008 at 6:57pm
Hayfa wrote:
If there is a TRUE EMERGENCY you will be treated right away, while the poor saps who are just plain sick will wait.
Patty, do you not think this happens here ALL the time to people who cannot afford coverage.. the 48 million poor or working poor, middle class of this country? Goodness.. maybe they are the invisible people that we just ignore. Those people don't even get a doctor. And yes the medical system will "prioritize." And it should be based on need, not as it is here, based strictly upon money. (Though the really rich anywhere will get better care than anyone and this is true anywhere) You think that any average uninsured person can just walk in and get cancer treatment or for other ailments??? Where do you live, what country? You make it sound like the British have it all bad and we have it all great.And people use this world "socialized medicine" as if its dirty to help all people.
I guess its shocking Patty, as you profess to care about people, you hate suffering, death and killing, by your words. And yet if a president may propose to give help to these people, with basic affordable health care.. oh that's terrible, cause I might have to give up something. How many lower income people suffer, suffer endlessly cause they cannot get a doctor, or have to go such much wait and beauracracy (maybe longer than your family in the UK) to get any, any assistance. These people don't get even basic preventive medicine. That is a crime of morality (that you are big on). |
Hayfa, I worked my adult life in the medical field. I have worked in the nursing field and the administrative field. I worked with the cancer patients in oncology and in the labor and delivery rooms. I have also worked in rehab. YES, I most certainly do care about ALL people. I know that it is illegal to refuse treatment to anyone whether they can pay or not. There are many funds used for the poor.....it's called Medicaid. I have it myself now because I am disabled due to kidney failure. It is available for all children in this country. There are many options which enable Americans to receive medical care. There are payment plans for those who are working and can make payments. Preventive medicine is available everywhere as well as well baby clinics, pre-natal clinics, mammography for women who cannot pay, b/p tests, flu shots, etc., etc. are all available for those unable to pay! I have worked in hospitals from Nevada to Ohio to Maine. I do know about the medical field.....I can assure you that. No, it is NOT perfect and we need many improvements. But I cannot say it is not there for the middle class or the poor. When I was still well enough to work, I did make payments because the insurance I had did not cover all my treatments, appointments, etc. But I was working and though I hate bills as much as anyone, I did make my payments. I paid into social security and now that I am ill, I feel entitled to use the benefits which I paid into and to which I am entitled....as are millions of other Americans. Hospitals write off MANY accounts of those who cannot pay for their care.
I do not want to be told what doctor to go to, when to go, whether I can have this treatment or that, etc. I know you are a very nice and caring person, Hayfa. It bothers me that because I don't agree with Socialism or a Socialistic government, you take that as an indication that I do not care about people. Nothing could be further from the truth. But I cannot force you to see that I care very much for people. Perhaps one day you will learn that I am not a bad person or an ignorant person. I have travelled, I have numerous friends overseas, from The Netherlands, to Haiti, to England, to Africa. I love them all....equally and without bias, do you?
Peace and Blessings,
Patty
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 01 November 2008 at 11:57pm
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Why are you bashing a woman's looks?
My friend, I will only follow grandfather in that. He said: if Allah didn't bless someone just even with some looks, just imagine what book He might have that person in!
Not everyone agrees with your opinion on that one,
Really? How do you know? Never knew the Pew Research Center had started to publish their polls on what I whisper here!
but even so, looks do NOT a person make.
Absolutely! At least, we agree on something. Such natural disasters are normally a part of Natural retribution.
What do you have in common with some woman who has abused her power to persecute some police officers? I smell people. If there is ever anything uglier than her face, it's her mind and soul.
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 01 November 2008 at 11:59pm
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Patty, do you not think this happens here ALL the time to people who cannot afford coverage.. the 48 million poor or working poor, middle class of this country?
My friend, be honest and just tell us why you don't answer Hayfa's simple straight question? Why do we have to run after you in such circles with this absolutely irrelevant essay?
I believe the Americans have an expression for that, I dare not use it here and right now, I have got quite used to IC, don't wish to be thrown out.
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 12:07am
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but Angela and I have spoken many times privately.
So, how are we here in the public domain are supposed to know that? If you knew Angela one quarter as much as I know her, you would then also know that she is just about 218 times above that thing there in Alaska!
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 12:52am
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Hayfa, I worked my adult life in the medical field . . . .
I know that it is illegal to refuse treatment to anyone whether they can pay or not. There are many funds used for the poor.....it's called Medicaid . . . .
Thank goodness, Patty, at least, you know that. Why is such important info kept hidden from pobre folks?
What should Hayfa do to unearth all of his? I promise, she is an American and lives in the US.
Why are so many AWARE folks crying about the less fortunate Americans if these facts are at hand?
I do not want to be told what doctor to go to, when to go,
Why not? What's the problem if some PROFESSIONAL organisation or team decides and creates an appointment for you? What's so wrong with it OTHER than that it has some fragrance of Socialism - something painted balck and evil by your handlers?
I live in the U K. I have been here for some time. You know that I have always been at loggerheads with the British badmaashis (evil doings) BUT let me assure you they have the finest health care system in the world.
It's PROFIT-FREE.
whether I can have this treatment or that, etc.
You have been in the health service and you are telling us or, at least, implying that it should be upto the PATIENT to decide what treatment he will have?
It bothers me that because I don't agree with Socialism or a Socialistic government, you take that as an indication that I do not care about people.
I bet, it doesn�t bother Hayfa at all.
She is far too bright just to sulk at such matters and she knows where you got all your KNOWLEDGE of most things, specially of socialism. Even I know that.
Okay, lets be friends just for a while, please, tell me if Jesus had really said: �follow thy greed and treat el Market as Gaad�?
Please, just bear with me for a second. I find it simply obscene that someone swears allegiance to some flag, breathes fire at socialism and still claims to follow and love Jesus?
I have studied him, closely and, incidentally, with an American pastor. He was the first ever socialist I came to know.
Why not step in and prove to us that he was some profit-hungry ultra right wing Neo-con and I promise, I will get you the next Nobel Prize!
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 5:40pm
Whisper wrote:
Hayfa, I worked my adult life in the medical field . . . .
I know that it is illegal to refuse treatment to anyone whether they can pay or not. There are many funds used for the poor.....it's called Medicaid . . . .
Thank goodness, Patty, at least, you know that. Why is such important info kept hidden from pobre folks?
What should Hayfa do to unearth all of his? I promise, she is an American and lives in the US.
Why are so many AWARE folks crying about the less fortunate Americans if these facts are at hand?
I do not want to be told what doctor to go to, when to go,
Why not? What's the problem if some PROFESSIONAL organisation or team decides and creates an appointment for you? What's so wrong with it OTHER than that it has some fragrance of Socialism - something painted balck and evil by your handlers?
I live in the U K. I have been here for some time. You know that I have always been at loggerheads with the British badmaashis (evil doings) BUT let me assure you they have the finest health care system in the world.
It's PROFIT-FREE.
whether I can have this treatment or that, etc.
You have been in the health service and you are telling us or, at least, implying that it should be upto the PATIENT to decide what treatment he will have?
It bothers me that because I don't agree with Socialism or a Socialistic government, you take that as an indication that I do not care about people.
I bet, it doesn�t bother Hayfa at all.
She is far too bright just to sulk at such matters and she knows where you got all your KNOWLEDGE of most things, specially of socialism. Even I know that.
Okay, lets be friends just for a while, please, tell me if Jesus had really said: �follow thy greed and treat el Market as Gaad�?
Please, just bear with me for a second. I find it simply obscene that someone swears allegiance to some flag, breathes fire at socialism and still claims to follow and love Jesus?
I have studied him, closely and, incidentally, with an American pastor. He was the first ever socialist I came to know.
Why not step in and prove to us that he was some profit-hungry ultra right wing Neo-con and I promise, I will get you the next Nobel Prize! |
Okay, Sasha, you know everything and I know nothing. You are exactly right. EXCEPT where you insinuated that I do not love Jesus Christ. You are extremely out of line there. I would never insult another's faith, regardless of how much I may disagree with it.
I have not been on this site today because it is Sunday, and it is The Feast of All Saints. I have been in prayer and practicing my religion. You must at least realize that I am a very "old school fundamentalist Catholic by now. I have also been ill; hence, the reason I had not answered Hayfa's question. I have great respect for Hayfa and would not deliberately avoid her questions.
I felt you were someone I could exchange my beliefs and thoughts with, but I was terribly mistaken. You have distorted so many of my statements, I have no desire to attempt to defend myself. I am in no way obligated to even try to defend my position with you.
I wish you well, Sasha. I really do. I am sorry to learn how much you really do dislike me, but I have broad shoulders (even for a woman.) It is sad for me to read such twisted versions of my comments....but hey, life goes on. And I do hope you have a safe and happy life, even though you will probably turn these very statements against me too. It is impossible to answer you, because even though you fully understand what I'm really saying, you turn my words into meanings which I absolutely did not mean. And you are quite aware of the game you play. You win, Shasha....I'm out of the game.
Patty
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Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 7:42pm
I would like to add my cents on the subject of UK's so called
socialized medicine with American scene! Neither Obama nor McCain
promising any of that !
The bottom line is still who pays for what people get in UK and it
boils down to the
taxing the working people! http://Tax%20rates%20around%20the%20world - The Brit's are taxed quite heavily to pay
for the health system! Anyone going that route will have a very short
lived political career! The http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/campaign-finance-tracker.htm#sector7 - health insurance and finance industry has funded Obama campaign 400% more than McCAin's! What does that tell you? The numbers don't lie the politicians do!!
Obama is promising to open federal employees health system to the
uninsured more business for the existing health insurers working with the government that is practically lives on borrowing! McCain wants to tax the health benefits but wants to give
tax credits and keep the health insurance in the market place!
In reality the track record of US government performance is so awful that how it could manage anything! when it has out sourced fighting of wars to high priced contractors likes of Blackwater etc!
------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 03 November 2008 at 12:54am
Joke on Palin again as she falls for fake Sarkozy call
Maybe Sarah Palin should have caught on when the caller purporting to be Nicolas Sarkozy told her he could see Belgium from the Elys�e Palace.
But the Republicans' vice-presidential candidate remained blissfully unaware during the six-minute conversation with a Montreal comedian that she was the victim of a prank - even after the fake Sarkozy said his wife, Carla Bruni, was hot in bed, and slipped in a line in French about how fun it was to kill baby seals.
The caller, Marc-Antoine Audette, was one half of a comedic duo called the Masked Avengers. Audette described his call with Palin as his greatest triumph.
The prank on one of the most heavily protected personalities in US politics was an instant internet sensation in the final hours of the presidential campaign.
It also overshadowed what John McCain had orchestrated as his comedic moment - an appearance on Saturday Night Live with his wife, Cindy. McCain used his turn to try to make light of Obama's dominance of television advertising, saying his campaign only had the money to appear on the shopping channel - where his wife displayed campaign jewellery.
"I'm a true maverick - a Republican without money," he joked. He went on to lay out a number of strategies for trying to overcome Barack Obama's lead including one he called "Sad Grandpa".
"That's where I get on TV and go, 'Come on, Obama's gonna have plenty of chances to be president. It's my turn'," he said. But instead, it was Palin who got the most laughs - albeit inadvertently. The telephone call got off to an auspicious start.
Palin, evidently thrilled to take what she had been told by aides was a call from the French leader, told the faux Sarkozy within a matter of seconds that she loved him. She did her best to keep that love alive, even when the conversation took an increasingly bizarre turn. When her caller pointed out the two have a lot in common "except from my house I can see Belgium", Palin cheerfully responded: "Well, see, we're right next door to different countries that we all need to be working with."
When her caller mentioned his love of hunting, Palin instantly invited him on a hunting trip. "We can have a lot of fun together while we're getting work done. We could kill two birds with one stone," she said. "Exactly," the caller responded. "We could go try hunting by helicopter like you did."
He added in French that the pair could also go out and kill baby seals. Switching to English the caller added: "I just love killing those animals. Mmm, mmm, take away life, that is so fun." The exchange was littered with other clues. The fake Sarkozy mentioned an adviser called Johnny Hallyday who was in contact with the McCain campaign. Palin, who has made much of her contacts with Canadian officials in her negotiations over an oil pipeline through Alaska, might well have been expected to catch on when the caller got the name of Canada's prime minister wrong, substituting that of a singer.
Or when he added that Bruni was jealous of Palin. But the vice-presidential candidate evidently missed those cues - or at least was too polite to raise objections even when her caller extravagantly praised a porn film about her.
In interviews at the weekend, Audette said it had taken five days to get clearance from Palin's communications team as well as the Secret Service for the phone call.
"I wanted to see how she was on an intellectual level," he told the Canadian Press. "You can see that she's, well, not really brilliant."
Some great Foreign Palacey experience here! Bet she is better than our Angela and will run a country like all other Noe-Con extremists have been running - by bombing the rest of the world!
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 03 November 2008 at 1:26am
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EXCEPT where you insinuated that I do not love Jesus Christ.
Patty, let's forget about the rest of your post. It is just a protest at losing the point.
Just please tell me when did I do that?
I just had asked you a simple question, which by the look of it, you are trying to evade. I repeat it:
Did Jesus Christ at any stage say that greed was good and Cap It All ism was divine?
Or, did he teach us Social Justice?
Socialism is based on Social Justice.
I can prove just from the Bible that Jesus Christ was the world�s First Socialist.
I love Jesus more than you might know and can�t see him being insulted even by mere implication.
You win, Shasha....I'm out of the game.
Life started as a win for me, winning lost all it�s charm since I was a child. Besides, I don't hail from some terribly and neurotically competetive culture.
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 03 November 2008 at 1:32am
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Just imagine the number of clues our favourite would-be Vice President was dropped in that conversation!!!!
I am starting a fresh string
- Can You Find Someone More Moronish than Palin!
(Please don't mind the font, just discovered it this week)
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 03 November 2008 at 11:14am
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As far as Palin goes it is sad that she was picked in that there are far more intelligent, conversative women out there..who could be president. I may agree or disagree with say Hillary, but she could be presdient. She could run a country and lead it.. Ther are other women, conservatives who could have been chosen. Almost like McCain chose her cause she is Ditzy. And that is annoying. Maybe he is afraid of smart women??
Love of places: you know Patty, I don't "love" countries or places. I love people. Don't care about nationality, don't care about culture etc. Don't care. I was born in into the US. And love many people here. And as someone who tries to follow a greater, higher moral code, I see those lines-nationalism-- as false and actually distructive for humanity. I don't think that "we" are better people or human beings than anyone else.
And yes you cannot refuse medical care.. but why do so many poor people end up in the emergency room?? Why are they the ones most likely to die from illnesses at an early age? Hmm, maybe cause they don't have health insurance. They know. They go as a last resort. Why don't the poor have better services, groceries etc. Hmm.. maybe they are the ones left out of this "American dream".
------------- When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 03 November 2008 at 12:36pm
Hayfa wrote:
As far as Palin goes it is sad that she was picked in that there are far more intelligent, conversative women out there..who could be president. I may agree or disagree with say Hillary, but she could be presdient. She could run a country and lead it.. Ther are other women, conservatives who could have been chosen. Almost like McCain chose her cause she is Ditzy. And that is annoying. Maybe he is afraid of smart women??
Love of places: you know Patty, I don't "love" countries or places. I love people. Don't care about nationality, don't care about culture etc. Don't care. I was born in into the US. And love many people here. And as someone who tries to follow a greater, higher moral code, I see those lines-nationalism-- as false and actually distructive for humanity. I don't think that "we" are better people or human beings than anyone else.
And yes you cannot refuse medical care.. but why do so many poor people end up in the emergency room?? Why are they the ones most likely to die from illnesses at an early age? Hmm, maybe cause they don't have health insurance. They know. They go as a last resort. Why don't the poor have better services, groceries etc. Hmm.. maybe they are the ones left out of this "American dream".
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Hello Hayfa,
I think we can love both people and countries of the world. I don't know why it would be considered "bad" or "wrong" for me to say I love Tibet, which I do. I love many countries and I love, or care very much about the welfare of all human beings. There are many reasons why poor folks end up in the ER....but many middle class and wealthy go there quite often too. Inner city ghettos are, very sadly, wracked with drug abuse. I know this, Hayfa. I lived in a ghetto in Columbus, OH, when I was younger. I've seen the drug use and the results of it....especially what it does to children of drug addicts. I was married to an addict at one time, and it was a horrible nightmare! I have great empathy for ALL people caught up in that lifestyle. I don't understand what I ever said that made you believe I "don't love people." I have searched my posts and cannot find it.
Maybe you would elaborate and explain where I have ever even insinuated that I do not care about people. My black family members and black friends would be extremely shocked to learn this about me. Where did I ever say this, Hayfa?
I have a son on welfare in Southern Ohio. He knows I am furious with him for not getting out and going to work ANYWHERE!!!! He can flip hamburgers, work at a gas station, ANYTHING except suck the life out of the welfare system. He has two little girls (my granddaughters) so he gets food stamps, and they have plenty of food. They have Medicaid, so ALL their medications and doctor/hospital visits are paid for by .... you got it, the taxpayers! This is my own son, and it makes me furious. He has a college education, and I know many others who live near him who are doing the very same thing. There are many living quite comfortably off the taxpayers. Why should they go to work??? I am fed up with it. I am fed up with my grown son abusing the system. It is my right to be upset with this man child. For those who honestly cannot work, are disabled, etc., I have great sympathy. Don't get me wrong, I love my son.....he is very dear to me, and as a mother I am sure you understand that. But I will not stand up for his irresponsible behavior. And I will not approve of anyone else who is loafing around all day when they are perfectly capable of earning an income.
I do like the words of Abraham Lincoln, and no matter who wins this election, I wish we could all listen to these wise words:
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away men's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. ......Abraham Lincoln
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 03 November 2008 at 1:05pm
Whisper wrote:
EXCEPT where you insinuated that I do not love Jesus Christ.
Patty, let's forget about the rest of your post. It is just a protest at losing the point.
What was the point, Sasha? I'm a dumb woman. Maybe you can explain to me what the point was.
Just please tell me when did I do that?
You know when you did it...don't play dumb, it's very unbecoming on you.
I just had asked you a simple question, which by the look of it, you are trying to evade. I repeat it:
Did Jesus Christ at any stage say that greed was good and Cap It All ism was divine?
Or, did he teach us Social Justice?
Socialism is based on Social Justice.
I can prove just from the Bible that Jesus Christ was the world�s First Socialist.
No, you cannot.
"While I truly tremble at the mere mention of the name "Jesus" in the same sentence with the word, "socialism," this question is one of the central issues of this presidential election. And I believe it deserves consideration.
Of course, who am I to even attempt to answer such a question? I've spent two days now trying to figure out where to begin.
After all, Jesus preceded Marx historically by nearly 19 whole centuries. In addition, Marx built his entire socialist philosophy on the initial premise that God was merely a human delusion, and the second that religion was nothing more than an "opiate of the masses."
Therefore, any attempt to make Jesus a socialist begins with many contradictions.
As Pope Benedict XVI has written:
"Let us recall the fact that atheism and the denial of the human person, his liberty and his rights, are at the core of the Marxist theory...Moreover, to attempt to integrate into theology an analysis whose criterion of interpretation depends on this atheistic conception is to involve oneself in terrible contradictions. What is more, this misunderstanding of the spiritual nature of the person leads to a total subordination of the person to the collectivity, and thus to the denial of the principles of a social and political life which is in keeping with human dignity."
So, what is the Christian meaning of the poor? It is simply that there are a host of ways to be poor. And according to the Christian faith the worst form of poverty is not material; it is spiritual. One can be rolling in money and material goods, but be spiritually impoverished. One can be materially poor as dirt, but spiritually rich.
Jesus did make many statements about the virtues of being generous with one's own material wealth, whether it be great or small. Unless the deed was done freely, according to the giver's own free will, there was no blessing in the deed at all. However, the innate crux of every one of Jesus' admonitions to give to those less fortunate was "FREEDOM."
I love Jesus more than you might know and can�t see him being insulted even by mere implication.
Glad to hear that.
You win, Shasha....I'm out of the game.
Life started as a win for me, winning lost all it�s charm since I was a child. Besides, I don't hail from some terribly and neurotically competetive culture.
And neither do I.
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 03 November 2008 at 1:58pm
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Sadly, I never knew that you will insult Jesus by unneccessarily dragging pobre Karl Marx into it. And, just to throw stones at something you have never experienced first hand
My question was:
Did Jesus ever say that greed was great and Cap It All ism and the Market were gads?
Just be prepared because Cap It All itis is in coma and I often wonder where will you be without it?
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: semar
Date Posted: 03 November 2008 at 4:00pm
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Sarah Palin and Nicolas Sarkozy teleconference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nMWSKX9ORo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nMWSKX9ORo
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Posted By: mariyah
Date Posted: 03 November 2008 at 4:18pm
Whisper wrote:
Oh, I see!
Finally got it going.
Just one little question, Abuayisha, if that's the norm of the United States of America, how do people like you, Hayfa, Angela, Maryah, S*R and those others with real IQ feel?
Is your lot ever tempted to migrate to cultured places like say the UK or, better still, Spain? I will do anything to get you there. |
Jazak'allah for the compliment brother.. I only come to the states now for my children and Dawah activities. Actually the Mexicans here in the interior are quite wonderful. We will be exploring purchasing property from my uncle near Ankara in the near future next year. He is aging and very tired of zaytuna.....if not we may go in partnership with a cousin. I may sell my house in AZ yet if the market improves, if not, we have a paid for place to stay when I go to visit. I love spain, cordoba is my interest, I would like to see where the family started before migrating to the US... Ive heard it is breathtaking.... On Babas maternal side, her family is the american blue blood... Glad to see you are recovering, You gave us a scare!
------------- "Every good deed is charity whether you come to your brother's assistance or just greet him with a smile.
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 03 November 2008 at 4:54pm
Whisper wrote:
Sadly, I never knew that you will insult Jesus by unneccessarily dragging pobre Karl Marx into it. And, just to throw stones at something you have never experienced first hand
My question was:
Did Jesus ever say that greed was great and Cap It All ism and the Market were gads?
Just be prepared because Cap It All itis is in coma and I often wonder where will you be without it? |
What a load of nonsense, Sasha....but then you know that already. You know that Jesus is my Lord, My God, My Everything, and I would never insult His Holy Name.
I love living in a Democracy. I love all the freedom we have ...even to disagree loudly with the government. Of course Christ never said greed was great......and neither have I. I have also never said the Market was god....I don't dabble in the stockmarket. Have no interest in it whatsoever. If it appears America is in a recession now, wait until you see what happens when/if Senator Obama wins this election. But then that would really suit you just fine. Everyone should try to remember that millions of the jobs they go to everyday and earn a decent income are hired by the wealthy and those dreaded corporations. If they fail, so does the world......not just the US. Britain is close to failing now....heading closer to a recession. I am close to the point of not caring. I'm more than ready to leave this earth if God wants me. The older I get, the more I yearn for the old days, when people were much kinder and gentler. I love the simpler things of life. I have never held hatred for anyone in my life. I have hated what some have done....but never the person.
What a shame with all your intellect you still are filled with so much hatred for an entire people. Hate is a terrible thing and a terrible waste of energy. It hurts only you, and it hurts your relationship with God/Allah.
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Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 04 November 2008 at 4:15am
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How do you know it will collapse of Obama wins... did it collapse under Clinton?? Hardly.
The world is in a recession except the oil companies and the war compaines. Others all over the world is suffering. Far worse then those of us in Britain or here in the US.
No one is out to destroy the rich, but there needs to be restrictions. And remeber they took those off and greed took off.. leading to this crisis. Greed is one of those terrible sins and well, some people cannot make the right decision, that is why we need regulations. Just in case. Those folks giving themselves 20 million bonuses ought to be in jail.
I don't want corporations gone, except maybe the war machine ones. But they do need to bewatched and to some degree regulated. Becasue people DO need stability.
And you know Patty, I don't mind if we pay for your granddaughters food and medical care. I really don't they are innocent are they not?? And really if your son gets a job pumping gas for $7 an hour, he won't be able to afford health insurance anyway.
------------- When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 7:37am
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Therefore, any attempt to make Jesus a socialist begins with many contradictions.
For heaven's sake, please, give me break.
Socialism and atheism go hand in hand, just dance together, are going to celebrate there golden wedding anniversar?
Says who?
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 7:46am
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No one is out to destroy the rich, but there needs to be restrictions. And remeber they took those off and greed took off.. leading to this crisis. Greed is one of those terrible sins and well, some people cannot make the right decision, that is why we need regulations. Just in case. Those folks giving themselves 20 million bonuses ought to be in jail.
Now, that's what is called pure blasphemy!
Please behave yourself. The rich are divine, in fact, the most divine, we should never utter a word about them.
They are crafted by none other than the Creator himslef with special care and attention.
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 7:49am
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How do you know it will collapse of Obama wins... did it collapse under Clinton??
You don't understand, not just the US, but the whole world will now come to end since we have lost the chance of installing Sarah Palin as our Messiah.
(at least for all Ultra Right Wing Neo-Cons)
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 8:32am
Whisper wrote:
How do you know it will collapse of Obama wins... did it collapse under Clinton??
You don't understand, not just the US, but the whole world will now come to end since we have lost the chance of installing Sarah Palin as our Messiah.
(at least for all Ultra Right Wing Neo-Cons) |
Here's a flash......Sarah Palin was not running for the Presidency. Hey, how about this......if Obama (God forbid, and I mean this) should die, Joe Biden will be the President. How scary is that?????
------------- "FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE, NO EXPLANATION IS POSSIBLE. FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE, NO EXPLANATION IS NECESSARY."
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 8:39am
Hayfa wrote:
How do you know it will collapse of Obama wins... did it collapse under Clinton?? Hardly.
The world is in a recession except the oil companies and the war compaines. Others all over the world is suffering. Far worse then those of us in Britain or here in the US.
No one is out to destroy the rich, but there needs to be restrictions. And remeber they took those off and greed took off.. leading to this crisis. Greed is one of those terrible sins and well, some people cannot make the right decision, that is why we need regulations. Just in case. Those folks giving themselves 20 million bonuses ought to be in jail.
I don't want corporations gone, except maybe the war machine ones. But they do need to bewatched and to some degree regulated. Becasue people DO need stability.
And you know Patty, I don't mind if we pay for your granddaughters food and medical care. I really don't they are innocent are they not?? And really if your son gets a job pumping gas for $7 an hour, he won't be able to afford health insurance anyway.
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Hi Hayfa,
Society will not pay for anything for my little granddaughters. Their grandparents will ensure they have what they need. Food, clothing, medical care, etc. The entire family will help them. The point I am trying to make is I do not want to enable my son to live a life on welfare. I am encouraging him in every way to develop a sense of self-pride and responsiblity! An honest living at $7.00 an hour is much more to be proud of than lying about like a lazy bum!!! He is a healthy, able bodied man, and there is NO reason to behave this way. I used that job as an example.....my son has a college degree in social services. He can easily get a better job, but he doesn't want to move to an better, more advantageous area because he can't bear to be away from his "friends" who do just as he does. Expect/know the family will not allow them to go hungry or without the necessities of life.....especially not the children.
Gotta go now......I feel my blood pressure rising. :)
Peace, Hayfa,
Patty
------------- "FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE, NO EXPLANATION IS POSSIBLE. FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE, NO EXPLANATION IS NECESSARY."
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 10:34am
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Here's a flash......Sarah Palin was not running for the Presidency.
I wish I didn't know that!
Hey, how about this......if Obama (God forbid, and I mean this) should die, Joe Biden will be the President. How scary is that?????
I must admit some flash of great inspiration, my friend, a great flash, indeed, and as if had Mcain won and died even of some natural causes, Sarah would have done any better? Only because the poor dimwit is conservative!
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 10:44am
Sorry, I don't live in the US and am just a wee bit confused. Can anyone tell me if Joe Bidden is the same chap as Christopher Lee? who used to play Dracula?
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 11:45am
Whisper wrote:
Here's a flash......Sarah Palin was not running for the Presidency.
I wish I didn't know that!
Hey, how about this......if Obama (God forbid, and I mean this) should die, Joe Biden will be the President. How scary is that?????
I must admit some flash of great inspiration, my friend, a great flash, indeed, and as if had Mcain won and died even of some natural causes, Sarah would have done any better? Only because the poor "dimwit" is conservative! |
I just love the way you are so witty, Sasha. Why is it that you are the only person on this forum who can consistantly call other human being rude, and derogatory names with no one batting an eye? Ahhhh, ya gotta love it!
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 12:10pm
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Why is it that you are the only person on this forum who can consistantly call other human being rude, and derogatory names with no one batting an eye?
My friend, I have a huge problem, my Jupiter is in Taurus and am fated to call a spade a spade all my life. I just fail to dress my thoughts in some fancy clothes.
Please advise what should any honest person call a proven and registered dimwit?
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 12:19pm
Whisper wrote:
Why is it that you are the only person on this forum who can consistantly call other human being rude, and derogatory names with no one batting an eye?
My friend, I have a huge problem, my Jupiter is in Taurus and am fated to call a spade a spade all my life. I just fail to dress my thoughts in some fancy clothes.
Please advise what should any honest person call a proven and registered dimwit? |
Sasha. Just joking! Couldn't help myself.  Guess my Aries is in Capricorn and I am destined to make irritating jokes all my days. I never dress in fancy clothes. Back here in the woods I'm so far from civilization (THANK GOD) that I just throw on jeans, a sweater, wool socks, hiking shoes, and call it good. But I can guarantee you I definitely don't look like a man in drag.
------------- "FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE, NO EXPLANATION IS POSSIBLE. FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE, NO EXPLANATION IS NECESSARY."
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 1:25pm
PattyaMainer wrote:
Back here in the woods I'm so far from civilization (THANK GOD) that I just throw on jeans, a sweater, wool socks, hiking shoes, and call it good. |
Amazing! I have been living in a large city so long that when visiting rural - open areas I become restless and really miss Los Angeles. I went camping at Yosemite once with friends - tent and the whole bit. I left after one day. Years later I took my wife and kids, but this time stayed in a hotel in Yosemite valley.
http://www.nps.gov/yose/ - http://www.nps.gov/yose/
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 1:54pm
abuayisha wrote:
PattyaMainer wrote:
Back here in the woods I'm so far from civilization (THANK GOD) that I just throw on jeans, a sweater, wool socks, hiking shoes, and call it good. |
Amazing! I have been living in a large city so long that when visiting rural - open areas I become restless and really miss Los Angeles. I went camping at Yosemite once with friends - tent and the whole bit. I left after one day. Years later I took my wife and kids, but this time stayed in a hotel in Yosemite valley.
http://www.nps.gov/yose/ - http://www.nps.gov/yose/ |
Very good!! You sound like my brother-in-law! We couldn't drag him with a chain into the woods....he hates it. It just shows that we are all different in some ways, and yet we are all still just human beings with different preferences.
WOW!! Those are really some awesome photos. I can't believe you left after one day. 
http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/viewsingleimage.html?mode=singleimage&handle=deepwoods&number=5150&album_id=711&thumbstart=0&gallery=#slideanchor - http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/viewsingleimage.html?mode=singleimage&handle=deepwoods&number=5150&album_id=711&thumbstart=0&gallery=#slideanchor
Patty
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 6:28pm
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Good man that brother-in-law of yours..
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 11:33pm
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=51697&FID=41 - abuayisha Senior Member
Brader'em, how shall I thank you for all such beautiful autumn colours? These would invoke the poet in any baddy even in some hardcore Neo-Cons.
Or have these just set me off dreaming?
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: PattyaMainer
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 4:07am
Whisper wrote:
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=51697&FID=41 - abuayisha Senior Member
Brader'em, how shall I thank you for all such beautiful autumn colours? These would invoke the poet in any baddy even in some hardcore Neo-Cons.
Or have these just set me off dreaming? |
So you like my photos of my little neck of the woods, Sasha? It's my one hobbie, which I do love....photography. Nature is God's creation. I like to keep photos and share them to remind myself of the greatness and goodness of God/Allah.
Patty
------------- "FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE, NO EXPLANATION IS POSSIBLE. FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE, NO EXPLANATION IS NECESSARY."
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 10:48am
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These are His gifts for us. Patty, with me, you don't have to use multiple names for Him, I love God and never care about any lebels, ever.
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 08 November 2008 at 4:16am
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Did I hear someone mention Freedom and Democracy somewhere in the posts above?
A quiz... Count the # of Jews! (Potential) Obama Administration
J.Frank
Chief of Staff
Rahm Emanuel
He is a shameless neoliberal with close ties to the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), Without Emanuel, Bill Clinton would not have been able to thrust NAFTA down the throats of environmentalists and labor in the mid-1990s.
Emanuel�s made it a point to cozy up to big business, making him one of the most effective corporate fundraisers in the Democratic Party. He�s also a staunch advocate of Israel�s occupation of Palestinian territories.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6201900&page=1 - Emanuel Was Director Of Freddie Mac During Scandal
Emanuel, who supports the War on Terror, and expanding our presence in Afghanistan, worked hard to ensure that a Democratic House majority would not alter the course of US military objectives in the Middle East.
The least progressive picks he could have made. ------- is more of the same: war and corporate dominance.
Treasury Secretary
Paul Volcker, former chairman of the Federal Reserve under Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. Volker is one of Obama�s closest economic advisors and is thought to be the top-choice for the position of Treasury Secretary.
Robert Rubin, who served under Clinton in the same position and is currently Director and Senior Counselor of Citigroup. Rubin played a key role in abetting another neoliberal objective: deregulation. Where Volker was hung up on economic austerity, Rubin pushed for more deregulatory policies that ended up shifting jobs, and entire industries, overseas.
Robert Rubin is in part responsible for supporting the policies that pushed us to the brink of a great recession. When the subprime mortgage crisis hit, instability and collapse spread across numerous industries.
Another name that is in the hunt for the top spot is Lawrence Summers, who served during the last 18 months of the Clinton administration. Summers is greatly responsible for expanding Rubinomics and is credited by many for the collapse in the derivatives market, which later imploded the housing market.
Defense Secretary
While Obama�s choice for this important role is speculative, quite a few fingers are pointing to Richard Holbrooke.
Other foreign policy advisors may also include the likes of Madeline Albright, the great supporter of Iraq sanctions, which killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Madeline Albright, when asked by Leslie Stahl of 60 Minutes about the deaths caused by U.N. sanctions, infamously condoned the deaths. �I think this is a very hard choice,� she said. �But the price�we think the price is worth it.�
Samantha Power, cheerleader for humanitarian intervention, also has Obama�s ear and may even entice him to put U.S. forces in Darfur.
The answer is all of them! You don't need to count! The protocol of Zionist is on track for a complete take over of this so called land of the free and brave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is the change!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Sign*Reader's courtesy, form one of his posts
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 08 November 2008 at 4:22am
If it is a Democracy then that means American is responsible for the one million killed in Iraq + 200,000 in Afghanistan????
------------- Sasha Khanzadeh
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