what is mutta?
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Topic: what is mutta?
Posted By: murium1
Subject: what is mutta?
Date Posted: 27 May 2008 at 11:05pm
| salam ,i wana ask what is mutta? this i heard frm sum specific comunity ...i wana no complete information about this issue... |
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Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 28 May 2008 at 12:33pm
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ASA Mutta is a http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/muta_story.htm - "TEMPORARY MARRIAGE" amongst Shias. ------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 28 May 2008 at 1:57pm
Misyar marriages gaining prominence among Saudis
By Mariam Al Hakeem, CorrespondentThis form of marriage has also generated controversy and subsequent debate at all levels of the society and among religious scholars. Misyar is described as a form of marriage in which the wife gives up her rights offered under the religion, including the right to have the husband living with her in the same house and providing her with necessary expenses. In short the woman gives up the right to have an independent home. The husband may come to see her at her parent's home at whatever time he chooses for himself, or at a time agreed by the two. Although there are no official statistics on this kind of marriage, most social researchers agree the phenomenon is on the rise and is no longer confined to a particular group. Some scholars approve of the practice by saying that it meets the basic requirements of legal marriage under Islam and helps in solving many social problems resulting from spinsterhood. Others denounce the practice, saying it is unlawful because it does not meet the marriage requirements as stipulated by Shariah, and could thus result in more serious moral and social problems. Among those who approve misyar is prominent Saudi scholar Shaikh Abdullah Bin Sulaiman Bin Menie. A member of the Supreme Ulema Council, Shaikh Menie says misyar is legal since it meets the requirements for a lawful marriage under Islam. "What distinguishes this kind of marriage from others is that the wife voluntarily waives her right of having the husband living with her in the same house and paying for her necessary expenses. She agrees to have the husband visit her at any time, day or night, at the time convenient to him," he said. Shaikh Menie said the conditions agreed by the wife do not affect the validity of the marriage and the wife can still demand her full rights, including having the husband live with her and provide for her expenses. The husband in this case is free to agree to her terms or opt for divorce, he added. He cited the case of Al Sayida Souda, one of the wives of Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him), who agreed to give up her right of having the Prophet spend every alternate night with her in favour of the Prophet's other wife, Al Sayida Aisha. The problem of spinsterhood prompted the Shura Council to intervene. It recently asked 50 Saudi female intellectuals and educationists to present strategies for dealing with the issue. Saudi families, women in particular, were advised to accept a more modest dowry to lessen marriage expenses. The director of social affairs department in Jeddah, Ehsan Al Tayeb described misyar as a "social phenomenon resulting from discrepancies in the country's very family structure and the marriage system". Legal advisor, Hamid Fallata, says of misyar: "It is the choice of the coward who resort to marrying secretly," and warned the practice could result in more serious social and legal problems instead of solving these. Social researcher, Abdullah Al Dosari, cited several reasons for the phenomenon. "Some of these relate to men, others to women and still others have to do with the society in general. Some men want to have more than one wife for various reasons, perhaps for not being happy with the first wife." "Women fear spinsterhood and find solace in this kind of marriage. Divorced and widowed women would not want to spend the rest of their life without a husband," he explained. Matchmaker Um Talal said some women resort to misyar because they want to stay at their parents' home to take care of them, especially if there is no one else in the family to do so. Some physically challenged women would also want to marry this way and their parents would not object because they want their daughter to have a husband. |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 28 May 2008 at 2:05pm
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Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 28 May 2008 at 4:30pm
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bi ismillahi rahmani raheem assalamu alaikum I dont know if its funny or just irony, the extremists used to critisise the shia for mutta marriage and make all sorts of trouble between shia and sunni's to the point where shia hated sunni's becouse of how they where treated and now these extremists children are doing the exact same thing the shia are supposedly "hated" for. He cited the case of Al Sayida Souda, one of the wives of Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him), who agreed to give up her right of having the Prophet spend every alternate night with her in favour of the Prophet's other wife, Al Sayida Aisha. this is just a joke anyone who has ever read this hadith can see she was doing Aisha the favour not rasul allah [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam] and it had nothing to do with the original marriage arrangment between her and the prophet, these people are void of common sence. ------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness. |
Posted By: Hamzah
Date Posted: 03 June 2008 at 3:10am
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Assalam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah
Brother Rami there is a big diffirence between Muta and Misyar There are pillars for marriage in Islam 1-Proposal 2-Acceptance 3-Guardian 4-2 Witnesses 5-Announcement The Scholers (these are people who have studied Fiqh and have knowledge in it) who Allow it say Misyar contains all 5, you may say that according to the NEWSPAPER articles that some don't, as some are kept secret, this is true but that is only the fault of the people involved, the reason for announcement is to protect the Females dignity as if it was done in secrecy it would look suspicious when a man was wondering in and out of her home. Muta: a man and woman agree upon a fixed amount of money and fixed period of time to stay married, even for one day, when this time period is finished the marriage is void, there is no guardian unless the female is a virgin, this type of marriage is not permissible in all Sunni sects and even in some Shia Sects. You referred to Saudi's ( I don't know if you ment the Scholers or Saudi's in general ) as Extremists which I find weird coming from a wise person as yourself, if you mean bearded people do this more often than others then you are very wrong, it is actually the other way around. The Fatwa behind it took the fact that it contained all pillars of marriage in it, it served the women who could not leave her parents house, who couldn't be with a man 24/7 due to working or any other reason or those who were finding it difficult to marry due to age or divorce, and it served men who wanted to marry and could not afford to open another house, not all men married this way have other wives, i hope you get the point brother. As for them being the reason Shia hate Sunni's, I can post for you several Shia Clerics on Video stating that Sunni's are Kafirs and that they should be eliminated, or do you want me to post for you video's of them calling Aysha RA a whore (Astagfirullah)and cursing Abu Bakr and Calling Omar RA and calling them the (Jubt and Taghout); Sunni's don't beleive in the Wilayah of Ali RA, this is an enough reason for them to make Sunni's Kafirs and hate them, i have heared one Shia Shaik saying that a Shia who does not pray and is bad to the bone will go to heaven becuase he has the Wilayah to Ali and this will save him on the day of judgment while a good Sunni who prays and fasts all his life will go to HELL! i have been living in Bahrain for the last 10 months, i know so many Shia's and they are friends, i have nothing against them personally. Finally this topic was started as a question about Muta and suddenly it has changed into Misyar, the person who asked wanted some info on Muta and then AbuAysha may Allah guide us and him to the right way posted an article from a NEWSPAPER talking about Misyar, it's funny that in some so called Muslim countries there are types of marriages such as Urfy marriage in which there are no witnesses, no guardian, no announcement, just a guy and a girl and a piece of paper, yet you see no mention of this, maybe we should start doing it in Saudi Arabia then people may start thinking how unlawful and haram it is. Subhanaka Allahum Wa Bihamdik, Ashhad Ala Illah Illa Ant, Astaghfiruka Wa Atoub Elayk May Allah guide us to the right path, ameen ------------- "Whosoever fears Allah, he will appoint for him a way out, and provide for him from where he does not expect" |
Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 03 June 2008 at 4:34pm
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Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem assalamu alaikum Brother Beffore i say anything else i will say i was upset in my last post so there was exageration [out of anger] in what i said, i have a beard by the way so no that isnt why i said extremists. I think its kept secret becouse it works exactly like mutta marriage, it allows the man to marry multiple wives with out them ever knowing about each other he can also divorce and re marry as he likes. Does the woman have a right to know if her husband to be is already married in saudi? it doesnt matter to me what "some" [or most or many] shia clerics say i have also seen videos of clerics in Iran who are not this extreme [and have met many indaviduals] and hold such views [many agree the shia doctrine of today is not the same as it used to be] the issue is when ignorant and blind people take the actions of one individual or a group of individuals to represent the majority while in Allahs sight and judgment each person is only responsible for his own actions....this is how saudi's in general are extremists [a word that can be used in many ways and not simply to mean bomb strapping individuals] they have this quality. the exaggeration i mentioned earlier is that i limited this to Saudi's when i shouldn't have done so but to be fair the topic was about them. "Sunni's don't beleive in the Wilayah of Ali RA" what do you mean by wilayah the term seems similar to wali but i am not certain. ------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness. |
Posted By: Hamzah
Date Posted: 03 June 2008 at 5:37pm
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Assalam Alaikum
Brother thanks for your reply, if it makes you feel better i personally don't like Misyar, i just can't swallow it, May Allah guide us all to the right path. Is it the right of a woman to know if her husband to be is allready married? yes it is believe it or not, and it is easy to find out, even Misyar marriage is listed and by your national ID number a search in the civil affairs will show everything. Regarding Wilayah: Shia's think Wilayah is a god given right to Ali RA, to secceed the prophet in leading the Uma and that Abu Bakr along with Omar had betrayed and prevented the prophet at his death to put this in writing so that they could take over after the prophet. ------------- "Whosoever fears Allah, he will appoint for him a way out, and provide for him from where he does not expect" |
Posted By: minuteman
Date Posted: 03 June 2008 at 11:26pm
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Mutah is clearly illegal. It is no where in the Quran or Hadith and it is almost like prostitution. It is like Muslim soldiers who were fighting in the way of Allah far away from Madinah for many months and they made use of the ladies in those areas. This was done when the prophet was alive and even reported to the prophet. He niether approved it nor said anything against it.
Later, Hazrat Umar issued orders that no soldier may remain away from his wife for longer than 4 months. He should be given leave to return home within 4 months.
There was no mutah in Madinah. But there is a report that some people did it in Madinah because Hazrat Hasan used to get a lot of money from Hazrat Mua'wiyah every month and he used to give that money to the young girls when they remained with him for a few nights.
Some people did not like that practice and objected to doing such a thing. While the others (who gave their daughters to Hazrat Hasan for Mutah=temporary marriage) liked it very much saying that they benefit very much from the benevolence of Hazrat Hasan and their daughters gain a lot from such a temporary visit.
More later..... Continued.... ------------- If any one is bad some one must suffer |
Posted By: minuteman
Date Posted: 03 June 2008 at 11:47pm
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Please look at Mutah and misyar by the verse of the Quran 5:5 and in the light of the Sunnah. That fellow who likened the good work of the prophets wife to misyar was not good thing. It was very bad. I believe Mutah and misyar as absolutely wrong practice and may call it a sin. It spreads evil in the society. Anything which is not in accord with the teachings of the Quran or Sunnah is bad practice, illegal and sin. It should not be allowed or tolerated in the society. Please read the verse of the Quran below: 5:5, This day (and ever after), all good things are made lawful for you. And the food of the people of the book are lawful for you. And your food is lawful for them. And the free (protected) ladies of the believers and the free (protected) ladies from those who were given the book before you ( are lawful to you ) when you give them their dowrie (Mehr), taking them in marriage, niether fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret. And whoever denied (or hid) his faith (belief) then all his deeds will be wasted and in the end he will surely be of the losers. In the light of the above verse, we may be able to decide about Mutah and misyar. Also, most important is the practice of the holy prophet s.a.w.s. and his close companions ------------- If any one is bad some one must suffer |
Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 05 June 2008 at 1:11pm
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I am sorry if I offend anyone, but after reading about Mutaah . . .to me it seems similar to Prostitution/Escort Service (Paying a woman for temporary company), just has been repackaged wrapped up. I've read that Mutah can last upto a couple of hours as well . . .what is that? Sounds a lot like a one-night stand. Men can cheat on thier wives claiming 'Mutah'.
I've heard ppl claim that it is beneficial for the woman. In what way? What if there is a child? The child will grow up without a father . . . and whn there were no DNA tests, the man could (and still can) deny the child. Ppl say it tackles the problem of Surplus females in the society . . . Polygamy takes care of that . . .NOT Mutah. Calling Mutah a form of marriage is a disgrace to the institution . . .
Btw, one of the reasons the number of unmarried women in Saudi Arabia is increasing is because more Saudi men are now marrying foriegners (both muslim and nonmuslim) A lot of them want blonde western women, bcz they fulfill some kind of fantasy and are an attractive accessory. Others prefer foriegn muslim women bcz they are easier to maintain financially and not as demanding (in the material sense). Secondly, the govt provides incentives to local women, which is maybe why some men are hesitant (in terms of the minimum Mahr amount).
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Posted By: Hamzah
Date Posted: 05 June 2008 at 6:50pm
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Chrysalis
Jazak Allah khair for your post i am Saudi and i disagree about increasing numbers of Saudi men married to non saudi's for so many reasons. 1- this is actulally not true as it is not allowed for men from Saudi to marry from outside the country, for this you need an approval from the interior ministry and this is hard and complicated. 2-Saudi women do not lack beauty and if you think we don't have blondes, i have 4 daughters oldest is 9 and youngest is 3, 3 of my little girls are blonde with blue eyes and guess what? they are 100% Saudi  !
The reason why the number of unmarrid women incresing in this country is the decrease in polygamy cases and the rising costs of marriage from Mahr to everything else associated from the wedding party to gifts for the bride and her family, people tend to show off in occasions like this, and the divorce rate is increasing because Allah is not blessing such marriages, people are deviating away from religioun and Saudi Arabia is no exception. ------------- "Whosoever fears Allah, he will appoint for him a way out, and provide for him from where he does not expect" |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 06 June 2008 at 6:56am
Masha� Allah, Laa Quwata Illa Billah
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Hamzah wrote:Posted By: Hamzah
Date Posted: 06 June 2008 at 8:23am
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Jazak Allah khair brother Abuayisha
May Allah help me bring them up the right way, i am starting to memorise the Quran with them, subhan Allah it teached them a lot, i like sports and one time i was watching athletics and there was a women's race, wallah one of them jumped infront of the TV and said: papa do you think it is right for you to watch something like this? i never watched such things after it, i guess you can say she taught me a lesson, may Allah bless the Umma. ------------- "Whosoever fears Allah, he will appoint for him a way out, and provide for him from where he does not expect" |
Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 06 June 2008 at 9:24am
First of all, I in no way implied that Saudi women lack beauty nor did I mean to label all Saudi Men negativley. I am sure there are still intelligent, level headed men out there.
On the contrary, I think that many Arab women are an exemplary example when it comes to blending style, and fashion with modesty (hijab etc). :) I personally think that Saudis (both genders) are mashallah an attractive nation.
And to any female readers, I in no way implied that blonde is beautiful :p . . . was merely stating a trend that I personally think it increasing. I live in a country with a number of non-muslims, and unfortunatley our Saudi men seem to be setting a very bad example here. And though I am sure the majority is not like that . . . thats the impression they give all non-saudis out there.
I agree with Brother Hamza about the decrease in Polygamy being one of the reasons for an increase in single women.
As for Saudis marrying foriegners, I am sure that the residents probably do not marry abroad, but still, an alarming number are going for foreign wives (and I am not judging them, as long as they are marrying muslims) especially those among the affluent class and expatriots. Again, many of you might disagree . . . because ofcourse there are no demographics on that. . . but out of any Arabs I know or hav heard of, most seem to hav foriegn wives. Which is why I said that . . . though ofcourse my experience or opinions may not reflect the reality of things.
And just wanted to say that the Television episode with daughter made me smile. Alhamdulilah you seem to be doing a good job . . .
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Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 07 June 2008 at 5:26am
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Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem yes it is believe it or not, and it is easy to find out, even Misyar marriage is listed and by your national ID number a search in the civil affairs will show everything. This doesnt sound right at all, so what your saying is that with this ID number i can look up the conditions a woman has placed on a marriage she is currently in and not simply who she is married to. How can you tell the difference between a misyar marriage and a normal marriage, if all marriages where registered which i doubt since the majority of the country in not even developed how do you know about the secret misyar marriage. If the misyar marriage is kept secret then this is not for any benefit to society or to stop spinsterhood or what ever delusions these people are thinking about since no benefit is gained by the woman and socially no one knows about it, it is purely for sexual reasons and to take away the sin element of the encounter [supposedly]. Shia's think Wilayah is a god given right to Ali RA, to secceed the prophet in leading the Uma well this is just a belief in and of itself there is nothing shocking about it. and that Abu Bakr along with Omar had betrayed and prevented the prophet at his death to put this in writing so that they could take over after the prophet. This is the commentary not the wilayah itself and is added for dramatic effect, essentially there is nothing wrong with believing in wilayah [as you defined it] and to hate someone simply becouse of it is ridiculous what isnt fine is this last part not all shia believe this and this is a plain fact. ------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness. |
Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 12:06am
Abdullah Ibn 'Abbas (r.a.a.) said: "Temporary marriage was at the beginning of Islam. A man comes by a town where he has no acquaintances, so he marries for a fixed time depending on his stay in the town, the woman looks after his provisions and prepares his food, until the verse was revealed: "Except to your wives or what your right hands possess." Ibn 'Abbas explained that any relationship beyond this is forbidden. [narrated by Tirmizy] As temporary marriage was a custom amongst Arabs in the days of ignorance, it would not have been wise to forbid it except gradually, as is the manner of Islam in removing pre-Islamic customs which were contrary to the interests of people. It is well established that temporary marriage does not agree with the interests of people because it causes loss to the offspring, uses women for fulfillment of the lusts of men, and belittles the value of a woman whom Allah has honored. So temporary marriage was forbidden.
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