believer wrote: chaste - LOL!!  With so many wives I hope so!!

What is chastity? And how is being chaste related to one�s having a wife or wives?

Chastity also means virtuous character. If one fulfills his responsibilities towards his wife or wives and children, he is chaste; and if one is reckless in connection with those obligations or has extramarital relations, regardless of number of marriage partners he has, it would be appropriate to term him unchaste.

P.S. believer, I moved above posts here from Prophet Muhammad section due to their relevance and that resulted in a new thread. If you would like to rename this thread ( Chastity ), please let me know that.

believer wrote: It was not allowed to Abraham- He sinned when he was not patient enough to wait for GOD to give him offspring from Sarah.

 Believer, you are silly trying to attach sin with a prophet of God. Whatever you may be, I know you have a special list of your own about the prophets too. But you cannot say that Abraham sinned. That He was not patient enough to wait. How long can you wait?? He waited till he was 86 years old. I believe that you have sinned by blaming Abraham.

 I am sure you are not in your senses. Did Abraham querrel with his wife or God. he only prayed to god to grant him a heir, a pleasant forebearing son. Sarah was barren. She gave up completely. i don't know why you did not blame sarah for giving another lady (hagar) to Abraham as a wife. Why did she do that?? was she also guilty?? Believer, you don't know what you are talking about.

 Sarah was barren. She gave up as a failure to bear a son. It was her good work that she gave Hagar as a wife to Abraham. Hagar bore Ishmael as a first born son for Abraham. That was Abraham's seed. Then Allah put Abraham to test, i.e. to sacrifice his dearest thing in the way of Allah. His dearest thing in the world was his son of old age i.e. Ishmael. Abraham prepared and got ready to sacrifice him.

 Allah was all the more pleased with Abraham and as a result of His  pleasure,  Allah granted another son to Abraham from sarah. That was Issac. That was the result of the sacrifice of Ishmael.

 Please do not be quick in blaming any man of God.

Men of GOD are just that men, with the potential to sin as any of us.

You wait until GOD provides.  GOD does not break promises, or change HIS mind.  Yes, Sarah was impatient too, but Abraham could have been strong and refused.

Even after Abaham and Sarah sinned, GOD came through with the son GOD has promised.  GOD promised Abraham and Sarah a child.  They did not trust in GOD.  They sought out their own solution, against GOD wanting them to wait and be patient.

Genesis 21

The Birth of Isaac

 1 Now the LORD was gracious to Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did for Sarah what he had promised. 2 Sarah became pregnant and bore a son to Abraham in his old age, at the very time God had promised him. 3 Abraham gave the name Isaac to the son Sarah bore him. 4 When his son Isaac was eight days old, Abraham circumcised him, as God commanded him. 5 Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him.

 6 Sarah said, "God has brought me laughter, and everyone who hears about this will laugh with me." 7 And she added, "Who would have said to Abraham that Sarah would nurse children? Yet I have borne him a son in his old age."

minuteman  -have you read the Old Testament?

believer wrote: It was not allowed to Abraham- He sinned when he was not patient enough to wait for GOD to give him offspring from Sarah.

Abraham did not sin. Please prove that it was a sin.

Genesis 2

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh

There is to be one man and one woman in marriage.  GOD's promise, the covenant is sacred.  Do you have covenants in Islam?  They are not to be broken. 

Genesis 17

 1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, "I am God Almighty; walk before me and be blameless. 2 I will confirm my covenant between me and you and will greatly increase your numbers."

 3 Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, 4 "As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 5 No longer will you be called Abram ; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you. 7 I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.

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 The topic is wandering from chastity to sinful life. I cannot understand the chastity of the christians who feel the natural relationship of a wife and husband is also a sin. That is quite unnatural and untrue. A chaste woman will have relations only with her husband and vice versa. And when the husband and wife engage in intercourse, they are still chaste.

 The church theory is altogether un-natural. Also the report about the original sin was bad. That original sin was needed by the church so that they could use use Jesus as a scapegoat (Atonement).

LOL!  minuteman - natural relationship of a wife and husband is GOOD. We agree completely on this.

Abraham and Sarah did not wait patiently for GOD to fulfill His promise to them of a child.

Have you read the whole story?  Read it and you will understand.

 Have you admitted that natural relationship between husband and wife is not sin?? Do you believe it please??

Genesis 2

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

believer wrote: LOL!  minuteman - natural relationship of a wife and husband is GOOD. We agree completely on this. Abraham and Sarah did not wait patiently for GOD to fulfill His promise to them of a child. Have you read the whole story?  Read it and you will understand.

There was not sin in taking a second mate, in fact, the verse does not describe any sin, only that Arabahm chose a course of action legal to him.

Hi believer,

you wrote; " From the very beginning it was against GOD's law to have more then one spouse"

Can you provide any proof/quotes to that claim, from the very begining??

Hasan

 He cannot provide any proof because Jacob had more than one wife (+ two concub'es). David had quite a few. King Soloman had 300 wives and 1000 concub'es. Jesus did not have even one wife. So the christians do not have any suitable example to follow. They do not have any law (I would not say they are lawless people).

 The church discarded the law of Moses, saying that the law is a curse. After that they did not have any law. No law about marriage or divorce. They had to enact their own laws of marriage and divorce.  Imagine the day when the church found it necessary (or gave in) to the demand of the people for divorce ! Where was christianity on that day? It was proved to them that their religion was incomplete, un-natural, in-human.

But still we see the unmarried fathers (evangelists, Padres) amongst the christians. And unmarried mothers too(?) perhaps.

 But believer is quite active still busy formulating some new laws for the entire mankind that there had been only one woman for one man. That is not entirely wrong. Islam advises that. But allows more than one wife in special circumstances as the need be.

Well said minuteman, I know he cannot, for that I asked.

Hasan

One woman - one man is not practical..

Genesis 2

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh