Salaam to All!

  It seems to me Christians cannot answer me here, well then, I will give a full explanation.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2042&version=9 - ISAIAH 42

1-Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile. (Iasiah.42:1)

All Christian�s Scholars agreed that this prophesy is all about Jesus (S). Let�s look at the definition for �servant�

http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=isa+42:1&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - Hebrew Lexicon

Strong�s Numbers: 05650

Original Word: db(

Transliterated: �ebed

Phonetic Spelling: eh�-bed

Part of Speech: Noun Masculine

1. Definition: slave, servant
1. slave, servant, man-servant
2. subjects
3. servants, worshippers (of God)
4. servant (in special sense as prophets, Levites etc)
5. servant (of Israel)
6. servant (as form of address between equals)

  Now! Jesus (pbuh) is God according to them and here is says �My Servant or God Slave/Servant,� so it is not Jesus (pbuh).

  Also all prophets after Jacob (pbuh) mentioned in the Bible came for the Israelites not Gentiles. This include Jesus (pbuh)(Matt.15:21-26, Matt. 10:5-6 and many more). And Jesus (pbuh) did not stay on earth long enough to bring judgment to the Gentile. But Muhamad (pbuh) he brought message and Judgment to the Gentiles.

  The Qur�an conforms: �Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong, i.e. the Qur�an) to his slave [Muhammad (pbuh)] that he may be a Warner to the �Alamin (mankind and jinn).� (Q.25:1)

  Jesus (pbuh) said: �And when he (the Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2016:8&version=9 -

 I have read about 30% of the post of TNC. It is very good. Very good indeed. It needs to be read with care, not just to gloss over it.

Both prophets Isaiah and Jesus are telling all the truth and thanks to TNC for bring that truth to our notice. More later when I read all the post.

Isaiah 42

 1Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

Judgement may be good or bad- each is judged on their own merits.  GOD is just.

GOD manifest in human form is most certainly slave or servant of GOD.  Just as our minds are at times slave to our bodies.  An example some might bodily lust after another- our mind knows it is wrong but we are slave to the body.

Jesus hand picked Paul to preach and spread the GOOD NEWS to the Gentiles.  It is all in the Holy Bible.

Genesis 22

Abraham Tested

 2 Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."

Only son because this is the son that GOD had promised Abraham and Sarah.  Abraham had gotten impatient and took GOD's plan into his own hands and had Ishmael with Hagar.  GOD did promise for Ishmael-

Genesis 21

12And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

 13And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.

 14And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.

John 16 

 Believer, please believe that we all Muslims believe in Jesus as a messenger of Allah. i.e. a prophet of Allah. You also do that too. You believe that he was a prophet of Allah. So we are with you upto that.

 Then tell me who believes in Jesus other than christians and Muslims? Who believes in Jesus? No one. Can you tell me the answer to my question above? BUt if you wander into different fields which are not understandable then it is not our duty to follow you. We rather believe that you are no more a follower of Jesus. You are following some one else (paul) whose writings you have got into the bible in large quantity.

 There are a few writings of the actual disciples of Jesus in the beginning of the bible and after that, it is all paul.

 We definitely believe in Jesus and love him as much as we love our own holy prophet. But don't believe in you and your church. Thanks. More later about the baptising with the holy spirit and fire. Where and when did Jesus baptise with holy spirit and fire?? When did he separate the evil from the good (i.e. thrashing..) That was mentioned by TNC in his post, from Isaiah.

 The prophet Isaiah was talking about Muhammad s.a.w.s. all the time and not about Jesus. That prophesy was about the coming of Muhammad. Please note.

believer wrote: Isaiah 42  1Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. Judgement may be good or bad- each is judged on their own merits.  GOD is just.

Believer, the verse says: "My servant" and "he" shall bring forth Judgment, Not on their "own merits"! The will Judge by what comes down (the laws) from God Almighty.

 4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for His LAW. (Isaiah.42:4)

believer wrote: Isaiah 42 GOD manifest in human form is most certainly slave or servant of GOD.  Just as our minds are at times slave to our bodies.  An example some might bodily lust after another- our mind knows it is wrong but we are slave to the body.

So God Almighty is �SLAVE� to �HIMSELF�? Or God Almighty is �SLAVE� to the flesh? GOOD EXPLANATION for Christians� God!

I can see why �AN ANGEL� has to strengthen God: �And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.� (Luke 22:43)

And God said: ��My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death... And he went a little farther, and fell on his face. And prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou will.� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2026:35-39&version=9 - Matt.26:28-29 )

 Note: He said: �My soul� and not flesh; and he (your God) is �afraid of DEATH�.

 Imagine the state of God, his �soul is afraid of death� and   http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2022:43-44&version=9 - Luke22:44  mentioned: �And being in agony, he prayed more earnestly; and his sweet was, as it were, great drop of blood falling to the ground.�

 Now, whom your God was �praying to�? If you say, the Father in Heaven; that would mean, the father �forgot himself�, then �pray to himself� and after remembering he sent an �angel� to strengthen himself!

believer wrote: Jesus hand picked Paul to preach and spread the GOOD NEWS to the Gentiles.  It is all in the Holy Bible.

Show me where.

truthnowcome

minuteman wrote:    I have read about 30% of the post of TNC. It is very good. Very good indeed. It needs to be read with care, not just to gloss over it. Both prophets Isaiah and Jesus are telling all the truth and thanks to TNC for bring that truth to our notice. More later when I read all the post.

As-Salaam-Mu-Alikum, minuteman!

   I am happy that you recognize and have a clear understanding what I have explained; and you can see I put �each chapter� together in �context� with each other.

Wa Salaam!

 Br. Zainool

believer wrote: Genesis 22 Abraham Tested  1 Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, "Abraham!"       "Here I am," he replied.  2 Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about." Only son because this is the son that GOD had promised Abraham and Sarah.  Abraham had gotten impatient and took GOD's plan into his own hands and had Ishmael with Hagar.  GOD did promise for Ishmael- Genesis 21 12And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.  13And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.  14And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.

  Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord�s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2021:42-44&version=9 - )

  And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Matt.21:44)

  If you reject Jesus (pbuh) you reject his message, and the stone �represent his message� and it shall bear fruit and be marvelous in our eyes under another nation. Sure, Jesus (pbuh) is not �marvelous in our eyes,� His message does, and whosoever tries to destroy that Message shall not succeed, and where so ever the message goes it will prevail.

  http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mt+21%3A43&section=0&it=kjv&oq=mt%252021%3A43&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=mt&ng=21&ncc=21 - Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Greek: http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1484 - = nation

And it mentioned in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Habakkuk%203:3-16&version=9 - : �And the �Holy One� from �Mount Paran� (Arabia). Se-lah His Glory covered the heaven, and the earth was full of his praise.

 That is another good lesson from the post of TNC. See below:

Believer, the verse says: "My servant" and "he" shall bring forth Judgment, Not on their "own merits"! The will Judge by what comes down (the laws) from God Almighty.

 4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for His LAW. (Isaiah.42:4)

 Do the christians believe that Jesus was a servant of God?. Please all christians, read the bible OT with care. Did Jesus bring any judgement to the gentiles?? Not at all. He did not even speak to the gentiles. mm.

GOD is ONE, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are manifestations of that One GOD.

So yes, Jesus is a servant of GOD.

Paul was hand picked by Jesus to preach to the Gentiles.

Acts 9

Saul's Conversion

 1Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord's disciples. He went to the high priest 2and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?"

 5"Who are you, Lord?" Saul asked.

   "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," he replied. 6"Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do."

 7The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. 8Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. 9For three days he was blind, and did not eat or drink anything.

 10In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, "Ananias!"
      "Yes, Lord," he answered.

 11The Lord told him, "Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. 12In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight."

 13"Lord," Ananias answered, "I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your saints in Jerusalem. 14And he has come here with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name."

 15But the Lord said to Ananias, "Go! This man is my chosen instrument to carry my name before the Gentiles and their kings and before the people of Israel. 16I will show him how much he must suffer for my name."

 17Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord�Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here�has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit." 18Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul's eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, 19and after taking some food, he regained his strength.

Saul in Damascus and Jerusalem

    Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus. 20At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God. 21All those who heard him were astonished and asked, "Isn't he the man who raised havoc in Jerusalem among those who call on this name? And hasn't he come here to take them as prisoners to the chief priests?" 22Yet Saul grew more and more powerful and baffled the Jews living in Damascus by proving that Jesus is the Christ.

 23After many days had gone by, the Jews conspired to kill him, 24but Saul learned of their plan. Day and night they kept close watch on the city gates in order to kill him. 25But his followers took him by night and lowered him in a basket through an opening in the wall.

 26When he came to Jerusalem, he tried to join the disciples, but they were all afraid of him, not believing that he really was a disciple. 27But Barnabas took him and brought him to the apostles. He told them how Saul on his journey had seen the Lord and that the Lord had spoken to him, and how in Damascus he had preached fearlessly in the name of Jesus. 28So Saul stayed with them and moved about freely in Jerusalem, speaking boldly in the name of the Lord. 29He talked and debated with the Grecian Jews, but they tried to kill him. 30When the brothers learned of this, they took him down to Caesarea and sent him off to Tarsus.

 31Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace. It was strengthened; and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it grew in numbers, living in the fear of the Lord.

Aeneas and Dorcas

 32As Peter traveled about the country, he went to visit the saints in Lydda. 33There he found a man named Aeneas, a paralytic who had been bedridden for eight years. 34"Aeneas," Peter said to him, "Jesus Christ heals you. Get up and take care of your mat." Immediately Aeneas got up. 35All those who lived in Lydda and Sharon saw him and turned to the Lord.

 36In Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (which, when translated, is Dorcas), who was always doing good and helping the poor. 37About that time she became sick and died, and her body was washed and placed in an upstairs room. 38Lydda was near Joppa; so when the disciples heard that Peter was in Lydda, they sent two men to him and urged him, "Please come at once!"

 39Peter went with them, and when he arrived he was taken upstairs to the room. All the widows stood around him, crying and showing him the robes and other clothing that Dorcas had made while she was still with them.

 40Peter sent them all out of the room; then he got down on his knees and prayed. Turning toward the dead woman, he said, "Tabitha, get up." She opened her eyes, and seeing Peter she sat up. 41He took her by the hand and helped her to her feet. Then he called the believers and the widows and presented her to them alive. 42This became known all over Joppa, and many people believed in the Lord. 43Peter stayed in Joppa for some time with a tanner named Simon.

Jesus judges.

John 8

 1Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

 2And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

 3And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

 4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

 5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

 6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

 7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

 8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

 9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

 10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

 11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Luke 12

believer wrote: Paul was hand picked by Jesus to preach to the Gentiles. Acts 9 Saul's Conversion  1Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord's disciples. He went to the high priest 2and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?"  5"Who are you, Lord?" Saul asked.    "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," he replied. 6"Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do."  7The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. 8Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. 9For three days he was blind, and did not eat or drink anything.

Paul didn't say he saw "Jesus" (S), he saw "a light". And you know your bible says to the effect that, Satan is an angel of light.

This is what Paul said: �For if the truth of God hath more abounded trough MY LIE unto his glory; why yet I am also judge as a sinner? http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%203:7&version=9 - Roman 3:7 (KJV)

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