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Possesion by Jinn and Exorcism

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Topic: Possesion by Jinn and Exorcism
Posted By: herjihad
Subject: Possesion by Jinn and Exorcism
Date Posted: 11 June 2005 at 7:49pm

Bismillah,

Please post any information on possesion by Jinn and what respectable Muslims do to determine that a person is possesed, and what the standard solutions or paths to solutions are.

Please comment on what non-ethical/respectable Muslims do as well. 

I urgently require this information. I am asking for anyone and everyone's information and point of view.



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.



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Posted By: Knowledge01
Date Posted: 12 June 2005 at 12:04am

When a person is possed by an evil "spirit" or soul.  It is a jinn.  The jinn that enters into the human being is a "soldier" or helper of Iblis (Satan).  Many people think it is Iblis himself but it is not.  Jinns have the ability to be disbelievers or believers (non Muslim or Muslim) and when one decides to be a disbeliever then he may become a helper of Iblis.

 

I do not know much about the process of getting the evil jinn or spirit out of the human being.  I do know that these people exist all over the world and that is it possible to be posssed and that it is possible to drive out the evil spirit from the human.  I would encourage you to see a local Imaam, he may know something or someone who can tell you more.



Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 12 June 2005 at 5:49am

Bismillah,

JazzakAllahKhayr for giving the info that you have. 

Please, anyone else if you have links or direct knowledge of this, please post it. 



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 12 June 2005 at 6:50am

Assalamu alaikum Herjihad,

This might be helpful:

http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=118381 - http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hF atwaID=118381

You can also go to: http://www.islamonline.net - http://www.islamonline.net  and type in 'Jinn Possesion' in the search bar to find some more answers on this topic.

I hope this helps in what you are searching for.

Peace, ummziba.



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Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~


Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 12 June 2005 at 12:27pm

Bismillah,

Alaykum As-salaam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,

JazzakiAllahKhayr.  You dear, you researched this for me!  I read the links, and forwarded them.  Thank you so much!



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 12 June 2005 at 2:01pm

Waalaikum salaam Sister Herjihad,

You are most welcome.  I do hope the information helps those who need it.

Peace, ummziba.



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Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~


Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 12 June 2005 at 9:15pm
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

assalamu alaikum

The lectures below by Sheikh Mohammed Sindhi are the most informative i have seen on the topic of jinn whether it is audio lectures or written material. It deals with jinn and shaytan in every aspect and covers pretty much the jinn world and what the are like.
http://www.edars.com/ -
http://www.edars.com/

Leicester, UK

Jinns
http://www.edars.com/dars/ENGLISH%202001%2003%20March%2002.mp3 - Part 1 http://www.edars.com/dars/ENGLISH%202001%2003%20March%2009.mp3 - Part 2 http://www.edars.com/dars/ENGLISH%202001%2003%20March%2023.mp3 - Part 3
http://www.edars.com/dars/ENGLISH%202001%2004%20April%2006.mp3 - Part 4 http://www.edars.com/dars/ENGLISH%202001%2004%20April%2011.mp3 - Part 5 http://www.edars.com/dars/ENGLISH%202001%2004%20April%2020.mp3 - Part 6

If a person is having trouble with jinn the Key to the matter is tahara in all areas of our life. Try to keep that person in a concstant state of wudu as this lessons the degree to which a shaytan can enter a person, they cant stand people who are spiritualy clean. Try to avoide things which break or weaken wudu...no TV or music as both put a person in a state which makes them more reseptive to the wawasa of shaytan, espetialy music.

This also means not missing any of the 5 prayers, recite also surat al baqarah or ayat al qursi on them. Keep the environment clean neat and tidy as shaytan can not stand this, and recite Quran to them or near them.

The above lectures also give advice on what things a person should do to avoid being attacked by shaytan.

Some advice a peron who is possesed by shaytan has no will of his own and is not acountable, he could also be influenced by shaytan or suffering from severe waswasa which is close to possesion but no the same.



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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.


Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 25 June 2005 at 11:38am
I haver no experiences with ghosts at all, and honestly i dont belive in them at all.  I do belive in mental illness however, and i think thats whats going on when people are "posessed" .

Peace
TnE


Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 25 June 2005 at 9:31pm
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Hi Noah, we are not talking about Ghosts but Shaytan they are a type of  Jinn, one of the Creatures Allah has created.



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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.


Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 26 June 2005 at 12:02am
peace brother.

I do believe in both shaytaan an jinn as a race. However im not at all convinced about the traditional explanation to what they are. Spirits or ghosts. I strongly belive that the Quran teaches us that they are a physical entity. But either with some sort of shapeshifting ability, or the ability to jump through both dimnsion and time at will. I think that someone, for some reason, have made muslims afraid of the boogyman, when in fact we should fear this other race because of their manipulation of us. It would expplain a lot of unexplaned phenomena like Ufo's. people seing reptile characters (like the socalled "greys")all over the world etc..

from memory;

"Moses threw down his staff and saw that it moved as if it was a jinn..."

"Moses threw down his staff, and saw that it was like a snake"

Why are these 2 verses so different.

If look at the bible and look at the traitors in it. We learn that DAN will be a viper in our path.

And this stuff just goes on if you take a loong and hard look at it. Im not so sure the mullahs got it right. But they have a perspective, and i respect that fully, i just disagree with it.

Noah


Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 26 June 2005 at 2:19am
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

are you a muslim?

The Islamic Teaching about Jinn is not that they are spirits or Ghosts, both of which are holywood fantasies. They are a race inhabiting this earth just like we are except they are not physical, you will not find that in the Quran.

I strongly sugest you read an article on them becouse your ideas are not from what Islam teaches us, your quotes are wrong please look them up and see for your self.




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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.


Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 26 June 2005 at 2:50am
Peace

Yes i concidder myself a muslim, and i base what i say on what i find in the Quran.

We have committed to Hell multitudes of Jinns and humans. They have minds with which they do not understand, eyes with which they do not see, and ears with which they do not hear. They are like animals; no, they are far worse-they are totally unaware." (7:179)

The above verse may be allegoric, however if the subject of Jinns having a mind, ears, and eyes is allegoric, then the same would have to be said for the humans mentioned in the same verse!.

Say, "If all the humans and all the Jinns banded together in order to produce a Quran like this, they could never produce anything " (17:88)

Again, we see a physical description being given to the Jinn and humans together (producing a Quran).

"And they have invented a blood-relationship between Him and the Jinns: but the Jinns know (quite well) that they have indeed to appear (before his Judgment-Seat)! (37:158)

Why would the disbelievers claim that the prophet had a blood-relation (Nasab) with the Jinn?. Is this not a physical attribute!.

O you jinns and humans, if you can penetrate the limits of the heavens and the earth, go ahead and penetrate. You cannot penetrate without authorization." (55:33)

Again, we see a physical movement or penetration of limits/boundaries described for BOTH species.

The day will come when He summons all of them (and says): "O you jinns, you have claimed multitudes of humans." Their human companions will say, "Our Lord, we enjoyed each others' company until we wasted the life span You had set for us." He will say, "Hell is your destiny." They abide therein forever, in accordance with GOD's will. Your Lord is Wise, Omniscient." (6:128)

So if we follow the logic that jinns are not a ghost, but like ghosts. How do you enjoy their company?

Recall that We directed a number of jinns to you (Mohammed), in order to let them hear the Quran. When they got there, they said, "Listen." As soon as it was over, they rushed to their people, warning. They said, "O our people, we have heard a book that was revealed after Moses, and confirms the previous scriptures. It guides to the truth; to the right path. "O our people, respond to the call of GOD, and believe in Him. He will then forgive your sins, and spare you a painful retribution."" (46:29-31)

If members of the Jinn race were present at a reciting of the Quran, and if these are physical beings as i have been pointing outthen the conclusions become very CLEAR:

Jinn and humans can look alike.

The prophet was unable to know that the Jinn were listening to the Quranic recitation except through inspiration from GOD in the verses above!.

The Jinn even made claim that they are aware of the Book of Moses and its teachings (a book with physical laws for physical people).

Here is the longer version of the same story again with more clues:

Say, "I was inspired that a group of jinns listened, then said, `We have heard a wonderful Quran. " `It guides to righteousness, and we have believed in it; we will never set up any idols beside our Lord. " `The Most High is our only Lord. He never had a mate, nor a son. " `It is the foolish among us who used to utter such nonsense about GOD." `We thought that neither the humans, nor the jinns, could possibly utter lies about GOD. " `Human men used to seek power through Jinn men, but they only afflicted them with a lot of adversity." `They thought, just like you thought, that GOD would not send another (messenger). `We touched the heaven and found it filled with formidable guards and projectiles. " `We used to sit there in positions to listen. Anyone who listens NOW is pursued by a powerful projectile. " `We have no idea if something bad is intended for the inhabitants of Earth, or if their Lord wills to redeem them. " `Some of us are righteous, and some are less than righteous; we follow various paths. " `We knew full well that we can never run away from GOD on Earth; we can never run away and escape. " `When we heard the guidance, we believed therein. Anyone who believes in his Lord will never fear any injustice, nor any affliction. " `Among us are the submitters, and among us are the compromisers.' "As for those who submitted, they are on the right path. As for the compromisers, they will be fuel for Hell. If they remain on the right path, we will bless them with abundant water. We will surely test them all. As for him who disregards the message of his Lord, He will direct him to ever increasing retribution.( 72:1-17)

The clues which can be gleaned from the above passages are as follows:

1. Jinn could not be identified from humans when they listened to the Quran;

2. Jinn follow various man-made religions just like humans;

3. Jinn do not know any more than humans do (what is true or false);

4. Jinn have male species similar to humans;

5. Jinn have the ability (or technology?) to travel outside our known universe (logically due to their race being much older that ours);

6. Jinn have been BLOCKED from reaching certain points in space that they used to travel through before (this could be a 'mental' block on astral if not physical travel);

7. Jinn have believers amongst them, as well as rejecters (good & bad).

8. Jinn confirm they are physical due to the identification with fuel for hell.

In the story of Solomon, we are able to again identify major characteristics of the Jinn:

Mobilized in the service of Solomon were his obedient soldiers of Jinns and humans, as well as the birds; all at his disposal." (27:17)

One audacious from the Jinn said, "I can bring it to you (the throne of Sheba) before you stand up. I am powerful and am to be trusted to do this." (27:39)

To Solomon we committed the wind at his disposal, traveling one month coming and one month going. And we caused a spring of oil to gush out for him. Also, the Jinns worked for him, by his Lord's leave. Any one of them who disregarded our commands, we subjected him to a severe retribution. They made for him anything he wanted-niches, statues, deep pools, and heavy cooking pots. O family of David, work (righteousness) to show your appreciation. Only a few of My servants are appreciative. When the appointed time for his death came, they had no clue that he had died. Not until one of the animals tried to eat his staff, and he fell down, did the Jinns realized that he was dead. They thus realized that had they known the unseen, they would have stopped working so hard as soon as he died. (34:12-14)

1. Physical beings able to make part of an army;

2. Technological or Telepathic ability allows the transfer of large, bulky items across physical space;

3. Posses artistic as well as construction abilities;

4. Unable to know future events just like humans.


And so on and so forth. There are a massive amount of evidence in the Quran for what i claim. And this:

"..When the appointed time for his death came, they had no clue that he had died. Not until one of the animals tried to eat his staff, and he fell down, did the Jinns realized that he was dead. They thus realized that had they known the unseen..."

Actually shoot a big fat hole, in the idea that Jinn somehow know the unseen, this including the future. There you have Allahs words for it, that they dont.

Peace
Noah


Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 27 June 2005 at 1:09am
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

assalamu alaikum

Are you a convert to Islam?

Jinns have the ability to take on almost any form they wish including humans in every aspect but in there natural state they are not physical.

They are always with us and around us in there spiritual form (like holywood imagines Ghosts, similar to the movie Ghost) but they can interact with us as they please both on our level of existance and theres, they are free to move in both ie spiritualy and physicaly.

they have there own races (like chinese american but they differer in shape and ability from race to race) and creatures (like our animals) in there spiritual world which is a level of existance above ours as we are in the lowest of the low as allah said to adam. Think of it in terms of frequencies they are on a higher frequency than us.

I can cite ahadith and insha allah when i have time i will.




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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.


Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 27 June 2005 at 3:45am
Originally posted by rami rami wrote:

Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

assalamu alaikum

Are you a convert to Islam?

Jinns have the ability to take on almost any form they wish including humans in every aspect but in there natural state they are not physical.

They are always with us and around us in there spiritual form (like holywood imagines Ghosts, similar to the movie Ghost) but they can interact with us as they please both on our level of existance and theres, they are free to move in both ie spiritualy and physicaly.

they have there own races (like chinese american but they differer in shape and ability from race to race) and creatures (like our animals) in there spiritual world which is a level of existance above ours as we are in the lowest of the low as allah said to adam. Think of it in terms of frequencies they are on a higher frequency than us.

I can cite ahadith and insha allah when i have time i will.




Peace

Yes i reverted to God's perfect system 5 years ago, from paganism.

Im all with you on this frequence stuff. But im pretty sure they are established in our plane aswell. To be perfectly honest i belive they are currently running our world, in charge (not possesed) of individuals we belive to be leaders. they are not leaders, they are misleaders.

Look into jesuits, the truth about the vatican and the origins  of freemasonry, if you want to understand where im comming from with this.

Both in the west and at "home" ...the saudis (the saudi tribe, not the population of saudi arabia)are the most diabolical clan we ever saw, they are nothing but evil. And currently in charge of our Quran translations. And that makes me feel very uneasy, as i know for a fact that they are from a "jewish" tribe that where not, never was and never will be monotheists. They worship jinn and always have, under various names.

As for hadith, well bro, we differ a bit on this. I do not accept that the hadith has any authority. Logic alone should make this obvious, but i have done my homework and can prove that many of the storys ascribed to the prophet (saws) are rooted in paganism and sunworship. I know,,,i was heavily in to this stuff. astrotheology.

The Quran however, is something completely different. I cried and still cry when i read it. It send chills down my spine, and amazes me n every single way, when you realise...this book is unique. The storys look like other relegious story's but are in fact AMAZINGLY different.
Still concepts and ideas from other relgions snuk its way in through haidth. But i guess thats a completely other debate.

As for Jinn. They are in charge, and the sooner we realise that we are in fact dealing with a physical enemy whoms butt we can give a good whopping if we find them the better. Im well aware that they can do astral projection and leave this plane, some of the verses i posted, hints this.

Peace
Noah


Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 27 June 2005 at 3:54am

Bismillah,

Do Jinn have certain doorways that make it easier for them to harm people?  Why would there be certain places, like Maryland, for example, where a person who has been affected by Jinn, is more likely to be attacked?  What a horrible ruse to get someone to stay away from a place to say that this place is dangerous for you because the Jinn have reached you there and will have more power over you there.  Has anyone heard of these "exorcists"?

I think that prayer should protect us from evil, and that shysters and control freaks use the "Science of Jinns" to misdirect people.



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: MOCKBA
Date Posted: 27 June 2005 at 4:34am
http://english.islamway.com/bindex.php?section=lessons&lesson_id=145&scholar_id=1 - http://english.islamway.com/bindex.php?section=lessons&l esson_id=145&scholar_id=1

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MOCKBA


Posted By: Enoch96
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 3:21pm
I do believe in the existance of the Jinn. Ofcourse I wouldn't be a Muslim if I didn't believe in them. I was attacked by a Jinn in 1995 when i was 17 years old, now i'm 27 , 10 years later, and i have probably completed about 75% exorcism, going through many healing processes and methods. I think one effective way was when I had cupping done by this one exorcist. I still remain classified as a borderline paranoid schizo these days. I basically have social phobia. I don't hear voices or anything like that but I am still going to college to try to finish up some technical degree. I am taking some sedative medication like xanax (though i would rather not use this) to get me past the social interactions of people in class but this aint no cure by any means and it's as if your inside of a bottle looking out. The Jinn has manifested itself into my body somehow but I haven't figured out a way to completely expel it. I'm not sure if this is a magical spell, evil eye, charm with knotted thrown somewhere and buried, or a love attraction by a female Jinn, but I do know that it is one of the above. I can feel the heaviness of the Jinn in me, when i walk around, there's a weigh down feeling, as if i'm carrying extra baggage on me when i'm not, I overheard the exorcist say one time that when one of his patients came to him and he exorcised him and the patient claimed he felt light like a feather. Sounds very freaky and can be a chilling experience, but man i need to get rid of this whatever it is thing off of me. I've taken ajwa dates before, read ayatul kursi,  and surah bakhra, performed hajj, but thus far no complete expulsion... still trying to figure this out, anyone have any suggestions? i live in chicago, USA


Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 4:13am

Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

assalamu alaikum

There are adifferent types of jinn, each person on this earth has a companion from among the shaytan attached to him this is by the leave of allah and we can not get rid of him, this type is not what poseses people as in your case there manily there for waswasa.

if you listen to the lectures i gave a link to you will find out about other types and what they do, basicaly they are around us and interact with us in many of our actions. They wait for opertunaties to open up for them and they take advantage and try to turn a uncomfertable situation into something worse.

Eg is you may get upset over something or with someone but you are in control the shaytan sees this desire/anger in you and comes and tries to make it worse by making you think certain things.

Shaytan can not read our thoughts but they do know our desires, it is this element in us which is the doorway if you like for them to manipulate us how they like, this is the opertunaty they look for and take advantage of.

the only way to free our selves from them is to control our base desires through tzkiyah an nafs or taharah an anfs, which basicaly means to cleans our self of bad qualities and replace them with good qualities. This closes the door for them on manipulating us, as we draw closer to allah step by step shaytan has lesser and lesser opertunaties to attack us.

This is a main aspect of why we pray, fast, pay zakkat go on hajj. its so we are not attached to what is in this world as atachment is what causes desire for something which is what shaytan wants.

You do not just pray, pay zakkat, fast go on hajj and out of nothing but simple actions with out a purpose or intention cure your self or strengthen your inner self against shaytan you have to have the right intention and for that you need knowledge of what the purpose of these 5 things are.

I strongly recomend you read Imam al Ghazali's Inner dimensions of Islamic worship its a small book whcih deals with why we pray, fast, pay zakkat, go on hajj. Becouse Allah comanded us is not a correct answer and is the reality of why our ummah has sunk to the depths we are in today.

we are instructed to perform them but an action without intention is not worth much, Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said Everything is according to intention and Allah gives according to your intention. Imam Bukhari began his sahih with this very hadith becouse of its importance and its implication in every action in our life.

Volume 1, Book 1, Number 1:

Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab:

I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The reward of deeds depends upon the intentions and every person will get the reward according to what he has intended. So whoever emigrated for worldly benefits or for a woman to marry, his emigration was for what he emigrated for."

desire and waswasa are both in the heart which is why The Prophet said: "Lo! Verily, there is in the body a small piece of flesh; if it is good the whole body is good and if it is corrupted the whole body is corrupted; lo! it is the heart . "

"Verily, Allah looks not at your bodies nor at your faces but He looks at your hearts."

Allah has placed at the end of his book a reminder for us about shaytan and an instuction for us in order to overcome him.

Say: I seek refuge in the Lord of mankind,
The King of mankind,
The God of mankind,
From the evil of the sneaking whisperer,
Who whispereth in the hearts of mankind,
Of the jinn and of mankind.


A Muslim has to become a mo'min to be truly protected from shaytan, but it is a step by step journey which is how allah raised the first muslim community to be the best ummah ever to come. Before the Hijrah it was all about Aqeedah and tazkiyah an nafs (purification of the self) as no fighting was permited at that time when they were ready they were alowed to migrat.

"When a Mo'min remains consistent in his behaviour and prayers, he is raised by Allah to a higher level of Eman (Faith) which is Ehsan. A person at the stage of Ehsan is called Mohsin. According to a Qur'anic verse in Surah Al-Baqaraha, a person who completely submits him/herself and turns his / her face only towards Allah he /she is Mohsin. According to a Hadith of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) a person at the stage of Ehsan offers his/her prayers in such a state as if he/she is seeing the Creator."

Islam is a Deen (way of life) if one aspect is lacking it will effect other aspects, rasul allah said shaytan flows through the body like blood flows through your veins when a person consumes haram food the effect is like inviting shaytan to come in.

He (Allah bless him & give him peace) mentioned a man having journeyed far, is dishevelled and dusty and who spreads out his hands to the sky (saying): O Lord! O Lord! - While his food is Haram, his drink is Haram, his clothing is Haram, and his nourishment is Haram, so how can his dua be answered! (Sahih Muslim)

The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said to the Companion Sad:

O Sad! Purify your food, your supplication will be accepted. By the one in whose hand lays the life of Muhammad, verily a servant places a morsel of Haram in his stomach (and as a result) forty days of worship will not be accepted from him. (Recorded by Imam Tabrani)

In another narration, it is narrated that an angel at Bayt al-Maqdis proclaims every day and night: Whosoever consumes unlawful (haram) food, Allah Most High will not accept his obligatory (fard) and voluntary worship. (See: al-Kabair of Imam Dhahabi)

it is the same for anyother haram action such as riba or alcohol.

If a taker of interest or the one who earns unlawful wealth was to give one a gift or invite one to his house for food, it will not be permitted to accept his gift or eat at his house if most of what he earns is unlawful, unless he informs one that it was acquired through lawful wealth which he gained through inheritance or by taking a loan. And if most of his earnings are Halal, there is nothing wrong in accepting his gift or eating at his house. (al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, 5/343)

http://www.soundvision.com/info/zakat/innerz.asp - Inner Dimension of Zakat
Excerpts from http:/// - Ghazali's Inner Dimension of Islamic Worship


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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.


Posted By: Enoch96
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 10:34am
so what your saying is basically stay on the true path, stay islamically lawful, have strengthen Iman, and do not look for materialistic things and i'll be cured without even knowing it? Mash'allah I believe I already do these things, and I am trying harder everyday to strengthen my Iman. About the purifying food exactly what do you mean here? I don't eat haram food or pork or anything like that.


Posted By: alabdalfakeer
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 2:51pm

Assalamu Alykom Wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakato

Dear brothers & sisters,

It's a well known fact for every muslim who raeds the quran that Allah mentioned Jinn more than once,and that Jinn were mentioned in the Sunnah as well,and bottom line they do exist and moreover they can interfere with our lifes ,they can even cause a lot of sicknesses but ofcourse after the permission of Allah ,and here is the thing .....Yes Jinn and demonic possession and Magic do exist but they don't effect the human being unless God permit that,and God let that effect as a test for the faith of the Muslim and see what type of believer the Muslim is.

Always remmember that Quraan and Sunnah are the only & biggest fortresses that a Muslim  can shelter within, & anything other than that will  lead to the total misleading of the muslim and will cause the total destruction of his/her life and fate.

For any more information or any support please contact me & don't forget me in your prayers.

Your Brother

Alabd Alfakeer



Posted By: Enoch96
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 3:03pm
Originally posted by alabdalfakeer alabdalfakeer wrote:

Assalamu Alykom Wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakato

Dear brothers & sisters,

It's a well known fact for every muslim who raeds the quran that Allah mentioned Jinn more than once,and that Jinn were mentioned in the Sunnah as well,and bottom line they do exist and moreover they can interfere with our lifes ,they can even cause a lot of sicknesses but ofcourse after the permission of Allah ,and here is the thing .....Yes Jinn and demonic possession and Magic do exist but they don't effect the human being unless God permit that,and God let that effect as a test for the faith of the Muslim and see what type of believer the Muslim is.

Always remmember that Quraan and Sunnah are the only & biggest fortresses that a Muslim  can shelter within, & anything other than that will  lead to the total misleading of the muslim and will cause the total destruction of his/her life and fate.

For any more information or any support please contact me & don't forget me in your prayers.

Your Brother

Alabd Alfakeer

 

What your saying is true, however, the last prophet (PBUH) was also afflicted with magic by a jew if you can recall. I believe I read something previously that informed me that there were a few surahs in the Qur'an that were revealed to the last prophet (PBUH) specifically for magic. So this is a test for me maybe, i do not know for sure, what I do know is that i must keep strong faith and Iman and also keep continuing to seek solutions that can defuse my situation.



Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 12:09am
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

assalamu alaikum

Originally posted by Enoch96 Enoch96 wrote:

so what your saying is basically stay on the true path, stay islamically lawful, have strengthen Iman, and do not look for materialistic things and i'll be cured without even knowing it?


There is no one step solution we have to change our self and our atitude towards things. If you are performing all the fard and sunnah acts without fail then what a person has to improve is the quality of how these acts are done, espetialy the http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=328&PN=1 - prayer .

Unless we gain knwoledge about http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/charac/pure-heart.html - purification of the heart from its different diseases a persons logical analysis can not comprahend what is being said since the mind can not grasp what it is not familiar with.

Everything is according to intention and intention is in the heart not the mind simply, you may say the intention but if your heart is not involved also then how strong is your resolve with what you intended.

When you make an intention by thinking what you intend this fulfils the fard aspect of the act but then the quality of the intention made will effect the action itself, and this is most evident in prayer.

if we make an intention for prayer and our heart is involved also our resolve and focus in the prayer is stronger and shaytan can not make you think about other things in the prayer.

Quote Mash'allah I believe I already do these things, and I am trying harder everyday to strengthen my Iman. About the purifying food exactly what do you mean here? I don't eat haram food or pork or anything like that.


The reality is that a shaytann can not overpower a person whos Iman is strong not simply has iman.

Rasul allah said the strong one amongst you is not the one who is physicly strong but the one who can control himself.

i mean exactly what i say if a person eats haram food his taharah is weak and he makes it easier for shaytan to influence him, i dont know you so it would be reasnoble to asume my comments are general rather than personal.

Tahrah of the self is the key to winning against shaytan, but shaytan never truly leaves a person alone not even the prophets were left alone by shaytan and there iman ihsan and islam was above everyone else, so we should also be carful not to become obsesive with this and just do what we can keep at it and go about our normal lives.



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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.


Posted By: Enoch96
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 9:39am

Rami, having complete faith and strong Iman is one thing. I have said before that I am working on strengthening all aspects of these areas. Though I believe these qualities are big and useful in my situation I do not believe that these alone will solve problems, since Allah gave us the will power to act to help ourselves too. Though you have given great advice I do believe your solution to the problem is just "part" of the solution rather the solution as a whole. Reality is it's not really easy to get rid of a problem such as mine, i've been with this stuff for approximately 9 years. Having strong Iman is a very blessed thing to have. Put it this way, if you just have Iman soley in this life, will it take you to Heaven in the hereafter? I don't think so, Iman along side with action.. salat, zakaat, hajj, rosa are also required. The approach your giving me is one where I have to strengthen areas of iman and action and how to do it right, and classifying the heart. Once more, these are how to "better" oneself in practicing Islam. Though it may play a major role in solving my problem, I believe it doesn't play a complete role. As I have stated before, I do these things already and I believe a lot of good muslims have Iman out there, but keep in mind no one is perfect. People try to better themselves and this is a good quality to have as a Muslims since Allah knows intentions of the person. Someone once taught me that If you move one step towards Allah, Allah will move 10 steps towards you. He is Almight All Wise, All Merciful.

Note: Becoming obsessive with this is not the way people who are ill percieve this problem rather the illness forces people to experience it in their everyday of their lives whether or not the person tries to ignore it.



Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 07 July 2005 at 1:49am

Bismillah,

The surahs are Al-Falaq and An-Nass are the ones that you are referring to, Enoch.  With your strong belief and faith I would suggest that you recite these and make Dhikr at the most difficult times.  Well, really anytime.  It is also helpful to just say:  I seek protection from Shaytan the rejected one with Allah.  Having something quick and short to say in stressful times can avert difficulty.  We all will pray for you, ISA. 



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: Enoch96
Date Posted: 10 July 2005 at 8:37pm
Originally posted by herjihad herjihad wrote:

Bismillah,

The surahs are Al-Falaq and An-Nass are the ones that you are referring to, Enoch.  With your strong belief and faith I would suggest that you recite these and make Dhikr at the most difficult times.  Well, really anytime.  It is also helpful to just say:  I seek protection from Shaytan the rejected one with Allah.  Having something quick and short to say in stressful times can avert difficulty.  We all will pray for you, ISA. 

yeap those two are it. That's a nice name you have there, my sister named her newborn son Isa also. Thank you for your prayers brother. I too shall ask Allah to help those who help other fellow muslims. Amen.

 



Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 19 July 2005 at 10:29pm
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

18. Hadhrat Abdullah Ibn Umar (radiallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: Everything has a polish, and the polish of the heart is the Thikr of Allah.
(Baihaqi)
19. Hadhrat Ibn Abbas (radiallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said:
Shaitaan sits glued to the heart of man. When man makes the Thikr of Allah, shaitaan abdicates (moves off); when man is negligent of Allahs Thikr the shaitaan casts evil whisperings in man.
(Bukhaari)
20. Hadhrat Ibn Umar (radiallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said:
Do not increase speech other than Thikrullah because much speech besides Thikrullah hardens the heart; the furthest from Allah is one with a hard heart.
(Tirmizi)

The essence of the latter three ahadith cited above, is that actual purity of heart is by means of righteous deeds and hardness of heart is the result of evil acts. The basis of both forms of deeds in the intention of the heart while the origin of iraadah (intention) is the mind. Reduction in Thikr brings about the introduction of satanic thoughts in the mind. This in turn leads to evil intentions. Pious intentions are the effaced. Instead of practicing righteous deeds, evil is committed. Abundance of Thikrullah blocks the entry of evil thoughts. This in turn does not allow evil intentions to assert themselves. One then abstains from sin and engages in righteous deeds. Hardness of heart is thus eliminated and purity inculcated.

This state of purity of the heart is not automatically acquired, but requires effort and striving. To be contented with only Thikr without striving. To be contented with only Thikr without striving against the lowly desires, is only self-deception.

taken from the article remebering Allah in abundance".


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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.


Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 11:09pm
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

The Prophet said: "If your hearts were always in the state that they are in during dhikr, the angels would come to see you to the point that they would greet you in the middle of the road." Muslim narrated it. Imam Nawawi in his Sharh sahih muslim commented on this hadith saying: "This kind of sight is shown to someone who persists in meditation (muraqaba), reflection (fikr), and anticipation (iqbal) of the next world."



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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.


Posted By: khalid
Date Posted: 15 August 2005 at 11:44am

asslam wa alaikum wr wb

please let me know by any way there is any chance to attach real player sound files which contain quran verses recited by scholar IQBAL one of my friend  (specially for possesion of jinn-evil eye - and magic effected persons)

yes i do agree with brother RAMI. my friend shaikh Iqbal also saying same thing about http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/charac/pure-heart.html - purification  ( inner and out) is must  

was salam

KHALID...



Posted By: Beyan44
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 7:14am
Allah made us the best. If you do not bother with the Jinn or Jinn-like things and learn a few Dua's, you should be fine. Adam knew all the names of Allah's creatures when others did not. 


Posted By: Ruqiahelp
Date Posted: 24 June 2018 at 11:42am
You can ask your question and I will reply on the forum for the general benefit.
 
RH


Posted By: asep garut
Date Posted: 25 August 2018 at 2:03am

اَلسَّلَامُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللَّهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ

My Brothers in faith,

Angels don't have the characteristics of devils, and devils do not have the characteristics of angels, but humans can have the characteristics of both.

Every human being born to this earth has been given a companion, namely angel and jinn. The jinn who accompanies humans from birth is to tempt and mislead humans, therefore, this jinn is called a devil.

Rasulullah Shallallahu ‘Alaihi Wasallam said:

ما منكم من £حد إلاوقد وكل به قرينه من الجن

“Every one of you has been sent to him a "qorin" (companion) from the jinn.”

(Narrated by: Muslim)

Imam An-Nawawi said, "In this hadith there is a strong warning against the temptations of the jinns and their whispers. The Prophet Shallallaahu 'Alaihi Wasallam told that jinn was always with us, and we must always be vigilant as much as you can." (Syarh Shahih Muslim, 17: 158)

Based on the Quran and sunnah, it can be concluded that the jinn who are always with us are misleading, disturbing, and also whispering anxiety. The temptation of this jinn will weaken according to the strength of faith in a person. And the way to protect ourselves from the jinn is by means of many dhikr and asking for protection from Allah, and if we truly do this, Insya Allah, there will come protection from Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala. Allah said:

 وَإِمَّا يَنزَغَنَّكَ مِنَ الشَّيْطٰنِ نَزْغٌ فَاسْتَعِذْ بِاللهِ ۚ إِنَّهُۥ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ

And if an evil whisper comes to you from Satan, then seek refuge with Allah. Verily, He is All-Hearer, All-Knower.” (Al A’Raf 7:200)

In addition to dhikr, we also often read the Quran so that jinn do not interfere.

 وَمَن يَعْشُ عَن ذِكْرِ الرَّحْمٰنِ نُقَيِّضْ لَهُۥ شَيْطٰنًا فَهُوَ لَهُۥ قَرِينٌ

 “And whosoever turns away blindly from the remembrance of the Most Gracious Allah (The Quran and worship to Allah), We appoint for him satan to be a Qarin (a companion) to him.” (Az-Zuhruf 43:36)

On that basis, we must be able to equip ourselves continuously in order to have a powerful weapon to fight and dispel the internal enemies of humans.

Rasulullah Shallallahu ‘Alaihi Wasallam said:

"A mujahid / fighter is one who is able to strive to subdue his passions to obey Allah's commands.”

(Narrated by: Bukhari and Muslim )

Jazakallahu Khair



Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 25 August 2018 at 6:13am
"Every human being born to this earth has been given a companion, namely angel.."

What textual evidence can you give for the above assertion? You supported 'given a jinn' with a hadith, but didn't mention any reference for angel.


Posted By: asep garut
Date Posted: 26 August 2018 at 3:20am
Originally posted by abuayisha abuayisha wrote:

"Every human being born to this earth has been given a companion, namely angel.."

What textual evidence can you give for the above assertion? You supported 'given a jinn' with a hadith, but didn't mention any reference for angel.


You are right, I only answer according to the question first, and if asked about angels, then I will issue another hadiths including from the Quran.

 

It is not everyone of you except that he has been informed a qarin (the companion) of the Jinn and a qarin of the angel. the companions of the Prophet ask: 'And also for you o..Rasulullah? and Rasulullah replied: 'Yes, for me too, it's just that Allah helped me so that my jinn converted to Islam, and he didn't tell me except for goodness.” (Narrated by: Muslim)

Following with you, night guard angels and day guard angels and they gather at the time of the morning prayer and ashar prayer then those who spend the night with you go up (to the sky), the Lord asks them when in fact He is more aware of their situation: in what condition my servant you leave ?, they answered: we left them when they were in prayer and we came to them when they were in prayer.” (Narrated by: Bukhari and Muslim from Abi Hurairah r.a)




Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 26 August 2018 at 5:57am
barakallah feek asep garut.


Posted By: asep garut
Date Posted: 26 August 2018 at 3:57pm
Barakallah abuayisha.


Posted By: LmndLjb
Date Posted: 12 June 2019 at 4:40am
As Salamun alaykum. Have you got rid of your problem brother?



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