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    Posted: 25 July 2007 at 11:24am
Egyptian grand mufti says Muslims can convert


http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article....ticle_id=84053

CAIRO: Egypt's official religious adviser has ruled that Muslims are free to change their faith as it is a matter between an individual and God, in a move which could have far-reaching implications for the country's Christians. "The essential question before us is can a person who is Muslim choose a religion other than Islam? The answer is yes, they can," Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa said in a posting on a Washington Post-Newsweek forum picked up by the Egyptian press on Tuesday.

"The act of abandoning one's religion is a sin punishable by God on the Day of Judgment. If the case in question is one of merely rejecting one's faith, then there is no worldly punishment," he wrote.

In many Muslim societies, converts to other religions are considered apostates and can be subject to capital punishment.

Gomaa said that if the conversions undermine the "foundations of society" then it must be dealt with by the judicial system, without elaborating.

Attempts by Muslims in Egypt to convert to other religions have been hindered by the state's refusal to recognize the change in official documents and in some cases have led to arrests and imprisonment.
"Even though it is not a criminal offense in Egypt, they get detained under emergency laws or are put on trial for contempt of religion if they wish to convert," said Hossam Bahgat of the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights.


"This [ruling] is significant, especially coming from Gomaa," he added.

"Between 2004 and now there have been many court cases involving Christian converts to Islam that want to convert back to Christianity who are unable to do so," said Bahgat, who is involved with a case of 12 former Copts who converted to Islam and are now trying to revert.

A spokesman for Dar al- Iftaa, the body headed by Gomaa which is responsible for issuing religious opinions, maintained that the mufti's stance has not changed.

"The posting is consistent with the mufti's past fatwas," he told AFP. "Apostasy is only punishable when it is considered akin to subversion."

The issue of apostasy is a thorny one in the Islamic world, with one extremist interpretation declaring that apostates should be killed.

"The punishment for apostasy is controversial," judge Ahmad Mekky, the deputy head of Egypt's Supreme Court, told AFP. "There is nothing in any Koranic text about this."

The case of the 12 Copts, whose request to revert was denied by a lower court in April, goes in front of the Supreme Court in September, and Bahgat said they will use Gomaa's posting to bolster their case.
"Gomaa is a civil servant, the top religious adviser of the state, and technically speaking the deputy justice minister," he said. "So his views on the matter carry authority."

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It seems the Government scholars are getting worse by the day, initially they justified non-Islamic ruling, then American bases in the Muslim lands and now this fatwa.

I wonder how they would feel if a family member became a Christian, Jew, Hindu etc?

And where is the evidence from the Quran and Sunnah to allow such actions?

Also will these apostates be accounted by Allah on the day of judgement or will they be judged based upon how much of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism they followed?

Can people leave Islam and become atheists or satanists?

And can Muslims especially women marry these non-Muslims?
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Wow, this is definitely not good.
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I agree, its a disgrace to Islam to say such things which will create even more divisons within Muslims and instead of unifying will do the opposite.
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

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This has no far reaching effect across the vast vast Muslim  world as the ignorant media constantly states every time the mufti of Egypt makes a fatwah. This is because of the simple fact [that anyone with an elementary level of Islamic knowledge would know] that mufti is making a ruling in shafii madhhab alone.

The media will no doubt have twisted his words to make them sound more liberal and anarchist than he intended. The fact is the case for capital punishment of apostates is not a clear one in Islam and opinions differ due to its lack of practice during  the Islamic khalifat which lasted for 1300 years, why would a rational person convert away from Islam, i know of a case where a contemporary of shaykh Abdul Qadir al gilani converted away from Islam for the sake of wealth and nothing was done to him he died in a bad state from natural causes.

Also notice how he stated "if the conversions undermine the "foundations of society" then it must be dealt with by the judicial system," this clearly does not give free reign or open up the flood gates for people to convert away from Islam combine this with the fact that his stance has not changed meaning still in line with the shafii madhhab and you can imagine what parts the media has sensationalised. 

i have read fatwah regarding this matter before and i am certain if your were to read his fatwah concerning this matter and placing his words in context you will find they are more reasonable and sound in Islamic law than this article is portraying.



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Showkat,

 

He is not different from that self defeatist Azhari puppet sheikhs who like to surprise ummah with their un substantiated fatwas. He is advisor and stooge for AllaMubarak dictator. This fake fatwa count in liberal circles as Sh. Abdirizak did in early 50's.

To justify his wicked fatwa he ignored sunnah which stated clearly anyone who changes his Islamic religion should be removed his head from his/her body.

BTW, I wonder why Rami want to null an Islamic ruling on this case by saying there is no clear cut in such cases in Quran. Is'nt correct sunnah count or explain Quran/ Or has its seperate ruling on life?.

The different take or interpretation of some scholars shouldn't not undermine the authencity of the Hadith nor should hinder any real Islamic ruler to carry on apostasy.

If we follow the scholars differences without tools to understand then there will be no deen. Soon these self defeasist sheikhs in Azhar etc will call or allow reform of Quran to appease American/Western demands. 

 

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Bi ismillahir rahmanir rahhem

He is not different from that self defeatist Azhari puppet sheikhs who like to surprise ummah with their un substantiated fatwas. He is advisor and stooge for AllaMubarak dictator. This fake fatwa count in liberal circles as Sh. Abdirizak did in early 50's.

Just to be clear on what you have just said about him, your basing that calumny on a three word quote of what he said?

At which point do you intend to pull your teeth out from his back before or after your pound of flesh.

To justify his wicked fatwa he ignored sunnah which stated clearly anyone who changes his Islamic religion should be removed his head from his/her body.

please point me to an actual fatwah mentioned in this article?

BTW, I wonder why Rami want to null an Islamic ruling on this case by saying there is no clear cut in such cases in Quran. Is'nt correct sunnah count or explain Quran/ Or has its seperate ruling on life?.

I dont adhere to the "any hadith is a fatwah in and of itself" school of law i support a detailed study and analysis of all the evidence. Saying i have made something null and void by pointing out there are differences of opinion on this matter in islam is not sound logic and contradictory to say the least.

The different take or interpretation of some scholars shouldn't not undermine the authencity of the Hadith nor should hinder any real Islamic ruler to carry on apostasy.

The difference exist becouse of the fact there is other evidence to say otherwise that other evidence does not cease to exist becouse you wish it to.

Where on earth can we find One islamic ruller, there all muslims who happen to be ruling....a huge diference.

If we follow the scholars differences without tools to understand then there will be no deen.

I agree but this now goes against your "one hadith equals one fatwah" approach to law.

Soon these self defeasist sheikhs in Azhar etc will call or allow reform of Quran to appease American/Western demands.

I have yet to see a detailed fatwah about this, yet you assume one exists based on the words of a journalist, who these days are worse than lawyers.

Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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