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    Posted: 28 May 2005 at 4:56am

Bismillah,

May Allah, SWT, bless the moms, stay-at-home and working.  ISA he will give us strength and courage to face all of the challenges we encounter.  Challenges are also called opportunites.  Each challenge we address gives us the chance to fulfill more responsibilities and Allah, SWT, showers blessings on us, ISA.

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Originally posted by herjihad herjihad wrote:

Bismillah,

What about loveless, cruel marriages and poverty?  Working often provides an outlet for women in situations like this. And financial relief for the family.

 

An "outlet", but it does not solve the problem... perhaps it accumulates it to have a more destructive impact on everyone at a later date. We should be aware of our responsibilities, fulfill them and be reminded of them from time to time.  

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ummziba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2005 at 6:09am

Assalamu alaikum,

Originally posted by herjihad herjihad wrote:

 Each situations is different.  It's so easy to stand up and proffer what society should be like when women and children are suffering daily difficulties.  Let's stop ignoring our community needs!  Let's help each person and family together.

Sister, I believe we are all "tooting the same horn", just using different melodies!  No one here is advocating ignoring our community needs.  Most of us are saying, yes, let's help each person and family!

There is the ideal: living Islam - then there is the reality...we all know what that means.  So, yes, let's all do our best to help those who need it!

Peace, ummziba.

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Bismillah,

I know a particular muslim lady from Egypt whose husband was so abusive mentally and phyiscally, besides chasing women and drinking, that she had to separate from him.  But the burden was too much.  She stayed at home doing nothing being in a deep depression.  If I had known sooner, I would have helped her even though she lived far away.  Her children were taken away from her because of the filth and neglect they lived in.

You say this is an exception?  I have seen many depressed and incapable stay-at-home moms.  If you have a loving marriage, poverty should be easier to bear.  What about loveless, cruel marriages and poverty?  Working often provides an outlet for women in situations like this. And financial relief for the family.

 Each situations is different.  It's so easy to stand up and proffer what society should be like when women and children are suffering daily difficulties.  Let's stop ignoring our community needs!  Let's help each person and family together.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ummziba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2005 at 3:35am

Assalamu alaikum,

Kim says: "Society is not set up for mothers, children and families."

This is true of non-Muslim society.  In Islam, the family comes first (after worship of Allah).  Marriage, children, family are all considered with the highest priority.  Men are the providers, which allows women to stay home and take care of the family. 

And, families take care of their own "old people", they don't put them in costly nursing  homes or 'retirement' homes.

One of the things that drew me to Islam was the beautiful way Islamic society functions.  Now, of course, I am not saying this ideal actually plays out in real life in all Muslim communities.  But, when Muslims live their Islam correctly, a well functioning, happy - family, community, and society is the result.

Now, if we could all just get our act together and live Islam the way Allah meant for us - wow!  Mean time, we need to help those who struggle.

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Here we have the ability to stay home OR work, it's just that nowdays people have skewed values and believe they HAVE to have so much money.

Mind you, employers have skewed values too, because they insist that women cannot stay away too long after having children. And the women believe they cannot stay away too long, either, because everything moves so fast that the women don't want to stay away from work too long in case they got behind in their knowledge of what's going on.

Also, in a country like Australia, part of our wages get paid into a superannuation fund because there' little likelyhood we will be able to survive on the pension when we get old, assuming there IS a pension when we get old...  So anyway, if you are not working, your are not getting money put into your superannuation fund, unless you are lucky enough to have enough to be putting some in yourself while you are not working (VERY rare, I imagine).

Therefore, you are putting your finances in old age at risk if you do not just keep working and working...

See what I mean? Society is not set up for mothers, children and families. But hopefully things will change.  They will HAVE to, otherwise all the millions of old people we will have in our country soon will have no young people earning money and paying taxes to support them

Kim...

 

 

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Assalamu'alaikum,

What can be better for a woman than being free to stay at home to take care of her children, take them out, have fun and bring up family values in them, to be there to attend to them at any time, experiment with new dishes in the kitchen... provided, of course, that husband fulfills his responsibilities.

Or is it better if a woman were to just dump kids at the day care centre every morning, go to work and exhaust herself towards the seeming end of the day, grab some fast-food dinner on the way home, traffic jam, pick up the kids from the day care centre, attend to them, laundry, clean up, changing, shower, homework... a lullaby? You must be crazy!... all that when she thought her working day was over. 

Women in the West are shackled with their work, yet they dare to talk about liberation of women in the Muslims society... they bring up children who don't quite care about their parents, just because the latter were too occupied at their workplace... possibly their objective (of "concerned" women in the West) is to swap places?

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If women are more sensitive, then it's THEM who should be in power because they are able to better know what people want and need.

There have been women rulers in the past and they haven't been better than men rulers. They have also waged wars and have been as corrupt as man rulers. There is nothing in history to prove that women rulers will be better than men.



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