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Originally posted by Al Masihi Al Masihi wrote:

Matthew 1 gives the genealogical proof that Jesus, in His humanity, was a direct descendant of Abraham and David through Joseph, Jesus’ legal father. The genealogy in Luke 3 traces Jesus’ lineage through His mother, Mary. Jesus is a descendant of David by adoption through Joseph and by blood through Mary. “As to his earthly life [Christ Jesus] was a descendant of David” (Romans 1:3).
Nowhere in the Bible states that Mary is from the family of David.
Luke 3:23 simply states that people thought that Jesus is the son of Joseph (what people think is not necessarily true).

Unlike the Gospels, the Quran always calls Jesus as "the son of Mary", not "the son of Joseph"
It's the genealogy of Mary that matters, not Joseph.

Originally posted by Al Masihi Al Masihi wrote:

Jesus is a descendant of David by adoption through Joseph and by blood through Mary.
There's a problem if you said that Jesus is a descendant of David by adoption through Joseph.
According to Matthew 1, Jesus is the descendant of David through Joseph ... through Jeconiah.

According to Jeremiah 22:28-30, Jeconiah is childless and none of his offspring shall succeed in sitting on the throne of David and ruling in Judah.

Therefore, the Messiah must be NOT from the lineage of Jeconiah.

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If you study the Dead Sea Scrolls, you might be familiar with the Testimonia (4Q175).
In the Testimonia or Messianic Anthology, there are three verses about three different figures, that is:
1. The Prophet (Deut 18:18-19),
2. The Messiah of David (Numbers 24:15-17),
3. The Priestly Messiah (Deut 33:8-11)

Of all those verses, which one is fit to Jesus?
In my opinion, it's Deuteronomy 33:8-11 that fits to Jesus, especially in the phrase: 
"Who says of his father and mother, ‘I have not seen them’;
Nor did he acknowledge his brothers, Or know his own children"

So, in my opinion, Jesus must be from the tribe of Levi.

FYI: When commented on the Diatessaron, Saint Ephrem also stated that Mary was from the House of Aaron. So, the Quran is not the only one that states that Mary is the descendant of Aaron.

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The curse on Jeconiah (more commonly known as Jehoiachin) in Jeremiah 22:30 says that, due to his unfaithfulness, none of his children would prosper or sit on the throne of David. Jeremiah 36:30 is even more specific in saying the curse fell “on him and his children and his attendants. In fact, this is what happened. When Jehoiachin was taken by Nebuchadnezzar, his uncle Zedekiah was made king. When Zedekiah rebelled, he was killed by the Babylonians. Zedekiah was the last of the royal line to rule in Jerusalem. So, the prophecy was fulfilled. None of Jehoiachin’s children became king of Judah,and neither did his attendants. The prophecy says nothing of his great grandchildren of those who came later.

Even if we were to take the prophecy to apply to later generations, which is not the most reasonable interpretation, Jesus never took a throne or ruled in Judah. His kingdom is not of this world. However, there is no indication that the prophecy was about the distant future in any case.
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It is the continuation of the other monotheistic faiths and thus maintains consistency. It is the consistency that makes it compelling.
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