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As Salaam Alakom Brothers and Sisters,

A fun discussion that make readers think. Thank you all that gave Quran, Torah and Gospel verses that help people see what scripture says.

Muslim are not for or against the ideah of evolution; things do change over time. But that does not make the current evolution theory correct. Muslims know that Allah created the world and gave man the ability to learn about the world and find truth. If research is true and provable Muslims are not against it but reserve judgement and ultimate truth with Allah and the divine guidance sent in the Quran. Scientific ideas are proven wrong and many times Man and Wombman, religious and not religious, believe the scientific idea as if it is a divine fact because it is science. When it is proven wrong, Science just argues, 'it was a theory'. Policies and laws were written and lives affected by those theories but, Science is never criticisms with the same doubt as religion. 
Statement: But science has room for doubt and religion is supposed to be from a real God
Answer: In the Quran Islam is said to either be true of not. And the Qur'an challenge Man, WomMan to find another religion better than Islam. In Islam/The Qur'an, the study of creation, 'Science' is a way to increase faith, accept a divine creator and prove faith true. 

There are many ways to search for Allah. Man, WombMan have a natural curiosity to know things and from that knowledge interact with the world and live better. Science is one of the many names for the study of things. Man and WombMan is all societies have found that in nature there is a naturally occurring ability to measure and observe the same patterns. Only Man, WombMan can use their mind to fully study the world. The Quran and Islam would say it is a sign from Allah to guide all people to truth and faith. 

The proof found in nature are sign people can use to get closer to understanding the truth about how Allah created the world and creation not evidence against it. 

If a prokaryotic cell ingested a bacteria that became the mitochondria, Allah say Allah is the originator of all creation and the starter of all things and processes. The earth is said created in all holy scripture. What about the layers and how they move to keep the earth a living moving planet. The Quran say the He(Allah) created seven heavens and of the Earth a similar number. The verse when studied is talking about seven heavens outer space being the lowest, seven ferments(heavens/layers of the atmosphere) and in reflection seven layers of the sea/ocean and seven layers to the earth. Allah know the truth if their are seven literal Earths like the seven heavens. 
In science it is found Iron is not from earth and the Qur'an says Allah sends down Iron. And other verses can show other thing ares sent down from outer space.

About the other Mankinds, 
Very good explanations and verses. The Quran agree with the other divine Book; if and when true. The Quran is written as the final scripture to all creation including, all Man and WombMan and the Jinn. And is written to make it important all Man and WombMan accept their lineage to Adam and Hawa(Eve) (alayhis salaam) and not allow other ideas of lineages to false guide people to separatism, racism and bias. 
If people believe the idea of admixture, science says people only have a little admixture and are mostly all the same. The Quran say Allah gave nations of Man(from Adam) abilities. When the verses are studied people wonder if they mixed with the Jinn or other. The Jinn is made of fire free of smoke and all evidence show they are a spirit being. (Allah knows the truth). In the Qur'an some verses do say Man was made from water, clay, Mud dried earth, dust. All these materials are what Adam(a.s. was made. But the way the verse read sound like it is talking about different Mankinds. The Quran says Allah can replace replace Man with other Man and beings. And say if mightier nations existed before the present Man. The verse appear to speak immediately about modern Man but can be read to mean before Man in general.  

The Torah and Gospels talk about other Mankind that could have existed. Muslims accept both Holy Scriptures as true, are careful because of changes and added false information.  If true as the Brother and Sisters said the nations were lost in the flood or died out soon after. In the Qur'an the flood appear to be directed at all Man from Adam and Hawa(a.s.), meaning the regions where they lived on Earth. direct flooding of the entire world is not completely described. But most or the whole Earth would have experienced the negative effects of the flood. 
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Muslims and Believers of other faith should talk about know the truth and having clear ways of speaking about science. The word gene is said from Latin and mean room. Latin is directly similar to Syric(Afro Asiatic) languages and words are similar. Gene is similar to Jinn and mean hidden/inside. Gene has a connection to the word sijjin and Illiyan that literilly mean a written record. It is inside of all Man, WombMan, and on the day of judgement will be brought out to be read. A written record appear exactly like the genetic code that is believed to hold and store memory.
From All Holy scripture, the Ark land in the general region mentioned(Allah knows the truth). 
the Quran say our languages and colors are a sign, when studied show how people became those appearance(colors). All people (appearances and colors) descend directly from Adam and Hawa(a.s.)  All are 99% genetically similar and all descend from one lineage that branches out like a tree creating all existing lineages. Differences are from marrying in mostly among some groups, naturally concentrating particular appearances. 
The little amount of lineage from other other Mankinds, if true, is more indirectly in the lineage of Man on earth some more than others(still little). 
After the flood Man again was one nation but when they separated the Quran speak of nations of giants correcting the Torah and Bible that speak of other origins of giants. There could be speaking about different times. But the Quran is clear Angels did not mate with the Daughters of Man. The great power, height, success and wealth that some nations gained the Quran say was from Allah. They are still called Bani Adam(a.s.), and their Prophets told them to remember their lineage to Adam and Noah(a.s.) 
Genetic lineages 
I and J are not exclusively Semitic and were absorbed back into the Middle East sever times in the ancient past. With respect to group that have a ancestral presence in the Middle East, some recorded in holy scripture, almost all Genetic lineages can be found in the middle east and all others can be said related(younger lineages to older). As the holy land that is beautiful and mean all people can share it as a pure, Not corrupted and Not dominated natural land.
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Originally posted by Mahmed Mahmed wrote:

As Salaam Alakom Brothers and Sisters,

A fun discussion that make readers think. Thank you all that gave Quran, Torah and Gospel verses that help people see what scripture says.

Muslim are not for or against the ideah of evolution; things do change over time. But that does not make the current evolution theory correct. Muslims know that Allah created the world and gave man the ability to learn about the world and find truth. If research is true and provable Muslims are not against it but reserve judgement and ultimate truth with Allah and the divine guidance sent in the Quran. Scientific ideas are proven wrong and many times Man and Wombman, religious and not religious, believe the scientific idea as if it is a divine fact because it is science. When it is proven wrong, Science just argues, 'it was a theory'. Policies and laws were written and lives affected by those theories but, Science is never criticisms with the same doubt as religion.


Wrong. All of science is constantly subject to attack in the form of all of its' ideas being tested constantly. If you can find a situation where a theory (the most strongly tested and passed any idea can have as a status) then there are professorships in it. Go fo it!

Quote Statement: But science has room for doubt and religion is supposed to be from a real God
Answer: In the Quran Islam is said to either be true of not. And the Qur'an challenge Man, WomMan to find another religion better than Islam. In Islam/The Qur'an, the study of creation, 'Science' is a way to increase faith, accept a divine creator and prove faith true.

What happens when the natural world gives a result that says that the poetry of the Koran has it wrong?

Quote There are many ways to search for Allah. Man, WombMan have a natural curiosity to know things and from that knowledge interact with the world and live better. Science is one of the many names for the study of things. Man and WombMan is all societies have found that in nature there is a naturally occurring ability to measure and observe the same patterns. Only Man, WombMan can use their mind to fully study the world. The Quran and Islam would say it is a sign from Allah to guide all people to truth and faith. 

The proof found in nature are sign people can use to get closer to understanding the truth about how Allah created the world and creation not evidence against it. 

If a prokaryotic cell ingested a bacteria that became the mitochondria, Allah say Allah is the originator of all creation and the starter of all things and processes. The earth is said created in all holy scripture. What about the layers and how they move to keep the earth a living moving planet. The Quran say the He(Allah) created seven heavens and of the Earth a similar number. The verse when studied is talking about seven heavens outer space being the lowest, seven ferments(heavens/layers of the atmosphere) and in reflection seven layers of the sea/ocean and seven layers to the earth. Allah know the truth if their are seven literal Earths like the seven heavens. 
In science it is found Iron is not from earth and the Qur'an says Allah sends down Iron. And other verses can show other thing ares sent down from outer space.

In ancient times the first iron found were meteorites which can have a very high iron content. Before humanity had the ability to melt iron out of iron ore this was the only way to get iron. The legend was thus created that all iron came from the sky.

In that all of earth has formed out of space dust at the formation of the solar system then yes... but that is 4.5 billion years ago.

Quote About the other Mankinds, 
Very good explanations and verses. The Quran agree with the other divine Book; if and when true. The Quran is written as the final scripture to all creation including, all Man and WombMan and the Jinn. And is written to make it important all Man and WombMan accept their lineage to Adam and Hawa(Eve) (alayhis salaam) and not allow other ideas of lineages to false guide people to separatism, racism and bias. 
If people believe the idea of admixture, science says people only have a little admixture and are mostly all the same. The Quran say Allah gave nations of Man(from Adam) abilities. When the verses are studied people wonder if they mixed with the Jinn or other. The Jinn is made of fire free of smoke and all evidence show they are a spirit being. (Allah knows the truth). In the Qur'an some verses do say Man was made from water, clay, Mud dried earth, dust. All these materials are what Adam(a.s. was made. But the way the verse read sound like it is talking about different Mankinds. The Quran says Allah can replace replace Man with other Man and beings. And say if mightier nations existed before the present Man. The verse appear to speak immediately about modern Man but can be read to mean before Man in general.  

The Torah and Gospels talk about other Mankind that could have existed. Muslims accept both Holy Scriptures as true, are careful because of changes and added false information.  If true as the Brother and Sisters said the nations were lost in the flood or died out soon after. In the Qur'an the flood appear to be directed at all Man from Adam and Hawa(a.s.), meaning the regions where they lived on Earth. direct flooding of the entire world is not completely described. But most or the whole Earth would have experienced the negative effects of the flood.

There has never been a world flood. No evidence of Jinn. Not sure what the rest is on about.

Quote Genetics- 
Muslims and Believers of other faith should talk about know the truth and having clear ways of speaking about science. The word gene is said from Latin and mean room. Latin is directly similar to Syric(Afro Asiatic) languages and words are similar. Gene is similar to Jinn and mean hidden/inside. Gene has a connection to the word sijjin and Illiyan that literilly mean a written record. It is inside of all Man, WombMan, and on the day of judgement will be brought out to be read. A written record appear exactly like the genetic code that is believed to hold and store memory.
From All Holy scripture, the Ark land in the general region mentioned(Allah knows the truth). 
the Quran say our languages and colors are a sign, when studied show how people became those appearance(colors). All people (appearances and colors) descend directly from Adam and Hawa(a.s.)  All are 99% genetically similar and all descend from one lineage that branches out like a tree creating all existing lineages. Differences are from marrying in mostly among some groups, naturally concentrating particular appearances. 
The little amount of lineage from other other Mankinds, if true, is more indirectly in the lineage of Man on earth some more than others(still little). 
After the flood Man again was one nation but when they separated the Quran speak of nations of giants correcting the Torah and Bible that speak of other origins of giants. There could be speaking about different times. But the Quran is clear Angels did not mate with the Daughters of Man. The great power, height, success and wealth that some nations gained the Quran say was from Allah. They are still called Bani Adam(a.s.), and their Prophets told them to remember their lineage to Adam and Noah(a.s.) 
Genetic lineages 
I and J are not exclusively Semitic and were absorbed back into the Middle East sever times in the ancient past. With respect to group that have a ancestral presence in the Middle East, some recorded in holy scripture, almost all Genetic lineages can be found in the middle east and all others can be said related(younger lineages to older). As the holy land that is beautiful and mean all people can share it as a pure, Not corrupted and Not dominated natural land.

OK, if you want to believe any of that.

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