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   I believe I am seeking knowledge here and in turn I raise excellent points. 

I'm not here to stir up any hate. I'm here to understand why some acts are 

committed by muslims. Why some beliefs are followed and why is there 

no outcry by the moderates. I am purely an amateur at this but it 

shouldnt keep me back from asking questions and rebuting answers and 

if that bothers you Angela then its very easy to ignore my posts and 

replies.

I was born and raised in a Muslim dominated country and I know first 

hand what happens to one who doesnt belong to the rest of the flock. 

One who happens to walk by a mosque after Friday prayers and is 

attacked by men who are full of rage and is stabbed numerous times 

because an imam went off on a rant that day about the Nasrawis 

(Christians), and I happened to be a scapegoat... And to top it off the men 

were caught but released that day once the police found out I had 

survived the attack. I have every right to understand where this hate is 

generated from!

As for Christianity being used as a political tool is a shame. Nobody 

confesses more to a divison of Church and State then Christ himself 

where he said" "Give what belongs to Ceasar to him and what belongs to 

God to God." Whether it be popes, emperors, doesnt matter he who has 

abused this delicate line is or will be getting his in the afterlife. I truly 

believe so. The difference between Christianity and Islam is the fact that 

Islam was a military, social and politcal force as well as a religious. That is 

why there is hardly any seperation between religion and state in most if 

not all Islamic dominated countries. It's is impossible to do so. 

After all the hell committed by Christian dominated Europe and America 

in the name of Christ is against all His teachings. And if Angela you claim 

to be a history buff you will know this as truth. The main foundation of 

Christianity is peace and forgiveness. That is not what the europeans and 

americans have been practicing not just now but from a while back. To 

use Christianity to spread political or economical ideas is nonsense and 

has no basis.

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Anatolian Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 12 September 2007 Status: Offline Points: 67	Posted: 03 October 2007 at 12:11am
	I believe I am seeking knowledge here and in turn I raise excellent points. I'm not here to stir up any hate. I'm here to understand why some acts are committed by muslims. Why some beliefs are followed and why is there no outcry by the moderates. I am purely an amateur at this but it shouldnt keep me back from asking questions and rebuting answers and if that bothers you Angela then its very easy to ignore my posts and replies. I was born and raised in a Muslim dominated country and I know first hand what happens to one who doesnt belong to the rest of the flock. One who happens to walk by a mosque after Friday prayers and is attacked by men who are full of rage and is stabbed numerous times because an imam went off on a rant that day about the Nasrawis (Christians), and I happened to be a scapegoat... And to top it off the men were caught but released that day once the police found out I had survived the attack. I have every right to understand where this hate is generated from! As for Christianity being used as a political tool is a shame. Nobody confesses more to a divison of Church and State then Christ himself where he said" "Give what belongs to Ceasar to him and what belongs to God to God." Whether it be popes, emperors, doesnt matter he who has abused this delicate line is or will be getting his in the afterlife. I truly believe so. The difference between Christianity and Islam is the fact that Islam was a military, social and politcal force as well as a religious. That is why there is hardly any seperation between religion and state in most if not all Islamic dominated countries. It's is impossible to do so. After all the hell committed by Christian dominated Europe and America in the name of Christ is against all His teachings. And if Angela you claim to be a history buff you will know this as truth. The main foundation of Christianity is peace and forgiveness. That is not what the europeans and americans have been practicing not just now but from a while back. To use Christianity to spread political or economical ideas is nonsense and has no basis.

Angela Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 11 July 2005 Status: Offline Points: 2555	Posted: 03 October 2007 at 8:44am
	Oh yes, I would agree the basics of Christianity are supposed to be peace and forgiveness, but I have found over the years that evil men will twist anything to their own gain. Chrisitanity is about brotherhood. Yet, until recently and even in some circles, being black is taught to either be the Mark of Cain or they are descendants of Ham. I have been SHOCKED to see people who are rational and professed Christians tell their children this. (Specifically a Baptist friend of mine who told her children Evolution isn't right, being black is the Mark of Cain ) Political leaders have been using Christianity for 1700 years for political gain. They have made rulings and twisted doctrines to give them the maximum power. Everything from tracing lineages to David to justify claims to the Throne of (Fill in the Blank) Nation to declaring heretics and casting them out of their countries. If Christianity were not such a powerful tool, then Pennsylvania would not have been settled by the Quakers, Massachusetts by the Puritans and the Mormons wouldn't have been driven from Illinois under threats of death. I always fear a leader who wears their faith so openly. In Russia, they say true christians wear their cross under their clothes. Its a sign of humility. For years, I wore my Crucifix under my shirt for that reason. So, when these things happen in Islamic countries, I think of the Byzantine Empire and the Holy Roman Empire. Its no different. I look at the Church of England, the Catholic Church and the Evangelical movement. Atheism is even a religion of sorts. Look at the fanatical actions of Atheist nations like the USSR. Islam's basis is brotherhood. The Quran says to kill a man is to have killed all of humanity, but to save a man is to have saved all of humanity. If we lived in a perfect world where there were no evil, then there would be no violence. Hinduism is pacifist. Study Rajaraja Chola I. He built many temples because his hands were bloodied by war and its a major sin in Hinduism to kill. Islam cannot be blamed for those who pervert it and take passages out of context. Nor can any other faith.

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