Astral Projection

Allahuakbar501 wrote: Allahuakbar how do you determine exactly what an innovation is? an Innovation is when someone brings into Islam something that was not their during the time of the Prophet(saw). What range of things does this include? This range can Include Shia's with Imamology were they venerate there Imams or Sufi's Chanting in Circles jumping up and down saying Allah over and over again etc etc etc. Whats the difference between innovation and newly discovered knowledge about things and how they work? The Difference is a Bid'a is something brought into the worship of Islam and newly discovered Knowledge discovered knowledge remains outside of it so theres nothing wrong if study mathematic, astronomy etc but when you start mixing Islam with Greek philosophy and stuff like that you will go astray.

How would you know whether or not something is an extension of what islam has revealed or what is something (for example an idea) that falls outside of or contradicts islamic thought?

For example to say that aliens do not exist because they are not mentioned in the Quran or hadith means that you are saying God or Allah is limited in his ability to create life in the universe and only limiting to this planet earth.  After all the Quran says Allah is allpowerful.  How do you resolve this matter to yourself?

this may fall on deaf ears

but anyway....

Allahuakbar501 wrote: I have no need to challenge anyone on the fact that Sufism is a Innovated sect with unacceptable acts of Innovations in worship this has already been proven so what makes you think you can prove it wrong.

I understand there was/is some group that may call themselves sufis that is not islam, BUT i have studied much and there is a lot here at the boards. Sufism is the heart of islam it is the tulwaad, it is the spiritual side of islam.

GO and search this site, read up on my decisions from the past and you will realise that you don't know much as you think you do.

"Linquistically Bid'ah(innovation) means a 'newly invented matter"

"The Shar'ia definition of Bid'ah is: "A newly invented way (Beliefs or action) in the religion, in imitation of the shar'ia, by which nearness to Allah is sought, but not being supported by any authenic proof- neither in its foundations, nor in the manner in which it was performed."--Imam ash-shaatibee

Ibn Umar(ra) said: "Every innovation is misguidance, even if the people see it as something good"

I have read works by Ibn taymiyah, Abdul wahhab, Abu Hanifah, Imam Malik, Imam Tirmidhi, Imam Shafii, Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal etc and none of them tought what the sufis do so you must joking and ive noticed people will make assumptions as to what i have read or what I have not and act like they know me

Al-Qur'an 49:11-12 "O ye who believe! Let not some men among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): Nor let some women laugh at others: It may be that the (latter are better than the (former): Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong. O ye who believe! Avoid suspicion as much (as possible): for suspicion in some cases is a sin: And spy not on each other behind their backs. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay, ye would abhor it...But fear Allah: For Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful."

Allahuakbar501 wrote: the only Sufis you listed were Imam Al Ghazali and Imam abdul Qadir al Gilani, as far as Imam Al-Ghazali goes Just see what Ibn Taimiyah and Imam an-Nawawi said about him and come to think of it I dont even think Imam Abdul Qair al Gilani was a sufi either some Sufis just named the Qardiriyyah after him.

This shows your complete ignorance. Seriously. Your a new convert with your set of Bilal Philips lectures and now you are able to make such wide, sweeping remarks? Simply amazing. 

The wahabis turn out "scholars" and "experts" in less than 6 years, it took Umar (ra) 7 years to learn Surah Al Baqarah alone from the Prophet (saw) himself. I am not sure how you are so comfortable to make such powerful remarks with only your lectures of Bilal Phillips. 

What do you know of Hujjat Al Islam, Imam Al Ghazali? Have you even read a single work by him? Are you prepared to be so confident to slander one of the greatest of the Ulema who has ever lived (not my opinion, but a major opinion that is agreed upon by the majority of scholars that have lived since him) because of a few sophomoric websites you study and a set of Bilal Phillip's lectures? Your only defense of your truly cursory approach to this topic is to exclaim that we should see what Ibn Taymiyya says (as if that actually matters) and Imam Al-Nawawi says? You are not even able to argue with Imam Nawawi as a source (if so you would have done it), and I know you have not looked at all the other positions on Imam Al Ghazali. How smplistic. How intellectually bankrupt.

Are you a Sufi? and if so you should start following the way of the Salaf and leave Innovated sects alone.