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Posted: 01 July 2007 at 9:54am |
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
assalamu alaikum
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Angela
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Very well said, I love Hamza Yusuf. He always speaks so plainly. I feel that many mistakes were made by the international community in response to the unfathomable evil that happened, but humans are fallible. I would love to see a world where Israeli and Palestinian can share the land of their forefathers together. Sadly, hatred and oppression can rear its ugly head anywhere. But, its no excuse for denying the suffering of so many innocent men, women and children. I wonder if the "holocaust deniers" in the Muslim world see the parallels between the Nazi treatment of the Jews prior to the camps and the rise of the war of terrorism and its effects on the Ummah. Recognizing the Holocaust and the circumstances that led to the deaths of 6 million + people, not just Jews, is imparative for us to prevent another tragedy of such magnitude.
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
hi angela Recognizing the Holocaust and the circumstances that led to the deaths of 6 million + people, not just Jews, is imparative for us to prevent another tragedy of such magnitude. No its not since in reality morality is being put aside for capitalism and materialism, these two evils put humanity in a state of constant moral heedlessness and spiritual bankruptcy that prevent any lessons from being learnt. while we shouldn't deny the genocide the fact is jews exaggerated the number of deaths that occurred, one classic example is the camp of Auschwitz in which they claimed [and consequently taught to me at school] that 6 million jews died there alone, the real figure is much less and present on a plaque which has been put up at the memorial site for this tragedy. You may be interested in knowing that over 30 million soviets died in world war 2. Edited by rami |
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Abu Mujahid
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To Whom It May Concern: Why my comments was deleted here or else where? Hope some people red it and enjoyed its clarity. Holocust denial will not undermind muslim moral stand as writer claimed. His political incorrect is uncalled for. Moreover, no sane muslim will call to have conference in Islamic world for fake Jewish dead numbers.
Sh. Hamza Yusuf is not above critics when he makes deadly mistake like this one. Your censorship is going too far.
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I didn't checkout you were the one who posted this article. Rami, do you really believe what this man has said? Holocust denial undermines Islamic religion?!!! Or helding Islamic conference in Muslim world to approve Holocust claims would give muslims high moral ground!!! I can't belief you post its entirety without making any comment.
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
Holocust denial will not undermind muslim moral stand as writer claimed. Denying the truth will and that is the point. You can not be a proper muslim if you are not truthfull in your speech, rasul allah [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam] said the greatest jihad is speaking the truth in the face of an unjust tyrant�. You can not deny what occurred without real and proper evidence which is impossible since the holocaust itself has reached a level of muttawatir according to islamic standards not to mention the photographs bodies and other physical evidence that exists. the numbers where exagerated by the jews but not to the extent of it not being genocide, about 1 million jews had died at Auschwitz [The Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum] that is horrific by any estimation. His political incorrect is uncalled for its politically correct to affirm the holocaust. no sane muslim will call to have conference in Islamic world for fake Jewish dead numbers. i think he was reffering to Iran, allahu allam. Sh. Hamza Yusuf is not above critics when he makes deadly mistake like this one. The only mistake i see is on your part and any person who denies plain facts. Most of the garbage outhere which deny the genocide that muslim such as your self rely on is written by nazis, that is hardly a reliable source. Rami, do you really believe what this man has said? Holocust denial undermines Islamic religion?!!! He didnt say it undermines Islamic religion show me where he said that? Or helding Islamic conference in Muslim world to approve Holocust claims would give muslims high moral ground!!! I can't belief you post its entirety without making any comment. It seems you have not understood him or the article, i suggest you re-read it again, you obviously have that statment above backwords. |
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Angela
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Yes, I am aware that 30 million Soviets died. Ya Russkiya. Ya znaiyu ochen mnoga. Stalin killed about 35 million and was a bigger butcher than Hilter...so you cannot blame capitalism. I've never heard the 6 million in Auschwitz alone claim. I have a dear friend with the tattoo, she is 70+ and a survivor. 6 million total has always been the claim, that is from 1938-1945 and also includes 100,000 Jehovah's witnesses and hundreds of thousands of gypsies. There are no inflated numbers. 1 million at Auschwitz, which was just a massive genocide machine. Ask the Poles who lived there in fear they were next..... |
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
so you cannot blame capitalism. Where did i i do that? dont confuse prosperaty with capitalism, the islamic civilization was the richest the world had ever seen it was neither capitalist or communist it was balanced. 6 million total has always been the claim, There are no inflated numbers. these are absolute statements, prove them. lets not turn this discussion into a numbers debate that isnt the issue. Edited by rami |
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