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seekshidayath
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Hah ! What shud i write ! You are so good and soft in your speech that i don't want to argue/debate.
Anyways, what do you think, shall we discuss, Librehan report {I hope am spelling correct} or regarding Vande Mataram fatwa -- nasty politicians of our country !! You see its 17 years it took to just present a report. Pramod Mahajan is already dead. Vajpayee, we know his health conditions -- I wish i cud see all men behind these riots and demolition,be punshed. Even Narasimha Rao is dead. Ahh ! i hate both congress and Bjp equally. It was a conspiracy. By the way did you see our parliament today ! So called elected leaders, representatives !! |
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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naren_143
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Hey Seekshidayath!
It has been so long but no reply from you. Hope everything is fine on your side. Have a nice time. |
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naren_143
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Hello Seeksshidayath!
Forgive my general awareness. We will just embarrass our own people if we continue talking in this fashion. We are all victims of terrorism. And terrorism has no religion. So what are you planning to do about those conspirators and perpetrators? Just trying to bring up awareness amongst we muslims of India, to stay awake and alert against the forces working against us will not do as all the perpetrators are allied to some religion either Hinduism or Islam or some other religion. I feel it to be better to think about solutions rather than just talking about the problems faced by us. And sorry I can't read long posts as it is a waste of time. If we know that the problem exists, then why can't we concentrate on the solution which is the need of the hour. Have a nice time always. |
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seekshidayath
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Batla and post-Batla incidents in Azamgarh were planned years ago: rights activistsSubmitted by admin3 on 28 October 2009 - 9:59pm.
By Mumtaz Alam Falahi, TwoCircles.net, On the first anniversary of Batla House encounter, two young Azamgarh human rights activists -- from two different religions � recall the post-encounter incidents in their district. Neither Batla nor post-Batla incidents were accidents, rather the results of well-thought out politically motivated conspiracy hatched out years ago, Rajiv Yadav and Tariq Shafique tell Mumtaz Alam Falahi of TwoCircles.net Was post-Batla incidents in Azamgarh were planned or just accident? Rajiv Yadav: It was not an accident. It was a well-thought out politically motivated conspiracy hatched and execution of which began a year ago � coincidentally a year before the Lok Sabha elections. The post-Batla situation in Azamgarh and eastern UP was used by certain political parties. And this was not new. Gujarat and UP itself have witnessed such political conspiracies. Several encounters were staged in Gujarat just before elections. As all encounters were said to be carried out to save Narendra Modi, he got the dividends in elections. Same has happened in UP where many encounters took place in the name of protecting Mayawati. What happened in Azamgarh post-Batla was planned and being executed gradually for the last 10 years. Why conspiracy against Azamgarh Muslims? Rajiv Yadav: In the last one decade or so, the standard of living of Muslims in Azamgarh rose up, and big houses and madrasas came up. This was because of the affluence brought to the district by local Muslims living abroad mainly in the Middle East (in thousands). The local Muslims� affluence was projected as the direct fruit of terrorism in which they are alleged to be involved. Then Batla House was executed and scores of people, mostly young and educated, were picked or arrested from Azamgarh and outside. Azamgarh was presented as a hub of terrorism. Political parties and media wanted to show that Muslims in India are not merely assisting terror outfits working from foreign land but also hatching and executing terror attacks in the country. Post-Batla, how many people were arrested from Azamgarh in connection with terror cases? Tariq Shafique: Of 18 persons only one was arrested from Azamgarh. All the 17 people have been arrested from some other districts � at railway station, outside railway station or sometimes in trains. Only Hakeem Tariq was arrested in 2007 in Azamgarh. According to charge sheets, 11 people are missing. There is no information about them. Are people still living in fear in Azamgarh or the situation has changed? Tariq Shafique: There is very slight improvement in the situation in the district. People still fear while venturing out. They fear that they may be picked. I fear whether I would reach home. Every year more than 10,000 students would go out of town to get higher education. Bu this year only about 2000-2500 could go out. They fear they may be picked. Another problem they are facing is that they are not getting accommodation as they belong to Azamgarh. They are facing the situation in Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore and other cities. About two dozen youths from Azamgarh are in jails facing multiple terror charges with charge sheets in several thousand pages and witnesses in hundreds. As human rights activist are you sure the cases will reach natural conclusion? Tariq Shafique: We have no option but to hope for justice. What is disturbing is that these accused are being tortured and denied of basic human and civil rights even in jails. On the day of Eid this year, the Muslim inmates were beaten up in Jaipur jail and not allowed to offer Eid prayers. Similar atrocities were meted out to the prisoners in Sabarmati Jail in March 2009. They were also not allowed to offer Eid prayers. The jail authorities have also banned letters in Urdu. How do you see the experiment of Ulema Council which got about 2.5 lakh votes in the last Lok Sabha elections? Rajiv Yadav: Ulema Council was created by some other political party. While Peace Party was created in Trai region of UP, Ulema Council in Azamgarh region. And this is clear from the rise of Congress in these areas after several decades that these two are politically sponsored parties. Tariq Shafique: Muslims had joined and supported Ulema Council not on political issues but actually they joined the movement on the Batla House encounter. Now the Ulema Council has wrapped up the movement and thus Muslims have gone away from it. Ulema Council got everything � money, fame, honor -- from Batla House but Batla House victims got nothing from the Council. Today Batla House has become a secondary issue for the Council, and the murder of their man by Ramakant Yadav supporters has become the top issue. When they started the movement a lot of people including rights activists had joined them but as soon as they went political, people went away from them. And media also started to ignore the Batla issue. |
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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seekshidayath
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And yes Naren, it was all communal riots done by Modi. Today US, Oman and many other coutries are stopping him from visiting their countries. Does this not hinder our country's development ?
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Indian government respects religious freedom, but some states found wanting: USTue, Oct 27 08:52 AM Washington, Oct 27 (IANS) A US government report gave top rating to the Indian government for doing its best to protect religious freedom, but criticised some state and local governments for imposing limits on this freedom. 'The National Government generally respected religious freedom in practice; however, some state and local governments imposed limits on this freedom,' the State Department said Monday in its Congressionally mandated annual report on International Religions Freedom. 'Although the vast majority of citizens of every religious group lived in peaceful coexistence, some organized societal attacks against minority religious groups occurred,' the report said alleging 'the state police and enforcement agencies often did not act swiftly to effectively counter such attacks.' Releasing the report covering 198 countries, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton hoped it 'will encourage existing religious freedom movements around the world and promote dialogue among governments and within societies.' The report said the phrase 'generally respected' signifies that the government attempted to protect religious freedom in the fullest sense and was 'thus the highest level of respect for religious freedom assigned' by it. Religious extremists, it noted, committed numerous terrorist attacks throughout India, including the November 2008 attacks in Mumbai that targeted luxury hotels, a crowded railway station, a Jewish centre, a hospital, and restaurants. The report noted 40 persons died and 134 were injured as 'violence erupted in August 2008 in Orissa after individuals affiliated with left-wing Maoist extremists killed a Hindu religious leader in Kandhamal, one of the country's poorest districts.' 'Although most victims were Christians, the underlying causes that led to the violence have complex ethnic, economic, religious, and political roots related to land ownership and government-reserved employment and educational benefits,' it said. Numerous cases were in the courts, including cases in connection with the 2002 Gujarat violence, the 1984 anti-Sikh riots, and more recent attacks against Christians, the State Department report noted. But 'some extremists continued to view ineffective investigation and prosecution of attacks as a signal that they could commit such violence with impunity.' 'In general, India's democratic system, open society, independent legal institutions, vibrant civil society, and press all provided mechanisms to address violations of religious freedom when they did occur,' the report said. Listing 'improvements and positive developments' in the year ended June 30, the report said, 'In India, 'Government officials responded to a number of new and previous violent events, helping to prevent communal violence and providing relief and rehabilitation packages for victims and their families.' 'Efforts at ecumenical understanding brought religious leaders together to defuse religious tensions,' it said noting, 'in the aftermath of the November 2008 Mumbai terrorist strikes, religious leaders of all communities condemned the attacks and issued statements to maintain communal harmony.'
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naren_143
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Greetings to Seekshidayath!
Why to directly attack all of Hindus for what a few people have done. That urdu saying does not definitely hold good in our context. If those communal people have any hold over the communities, then they would be ruling the country. Bal Thakaray lost the elections, Varun Gandhi lost, Praveen Tagodia, never heard of him. No one even heeds to what Varun Gandhi or even Rahul Gandhi says. Everyone follows his own heart. The perpetrator is a human being. We give him a religion for our own gratification. We have freedom of speech in India. So those people say what they want. Weren't you making fun of Hindus in one of your posts? That is freedom of speech. Religion is a very complex thing. Few understand it. And those who understand it, just waste time thinking of others' religion and comparing them to their own. Thus arriving at the differences, from which confusion ensues. The confusion is because a belief cannot be proven until we believe it ourselves. So we try to point out the negatives in others' religions for our gratification and end up abusing others. So I don't take religion seriously though I practice it. Have a nice time. |
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