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    Posted: 09 June 2005 at 4:07am

�Allaah will keep firm those who believe, with the word that stands firm in this world (i.e. they will keep on worshipping Allaah Alone and none else), and in the Hereafter. And Allaah will cause to go astray those who are Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers), and Allaah does what He wills� [Surat Ibraaheem 14:27]

It was narrated that al-Baraa� ibn �Aazib said: �What is meant by �this world� is the questioning in the grave, and what is meant by �the Hereafter� is the questioning on the (Day of) Resurrection.� 

As mentioned above, the keeping firm in this world is keeping (the believer) firm when he is questioned by the two angels in the grave, and keeping the believer firm in adhering to the truth, taqwa and righteousness in this world. The keeping firm in the Hereafter means keeping the believer firm on the Day of Resurrection, when he is questioned about his deeds and actions, his youth and his life, his wealth and possessions, his duties towards himself, towards others and towards the people around him, his different dealings and his affairs which have to do with his Islamic duties, commands and prohibitions, what he did and did not do 

Imaaam Ahmad(d.241H)(rh) said:

"From the essential Sunnah, which if a person leaves anyone of its points-not accepting it and not having eemaan in it-then he will not be from its people are:(he then mentions) eemaan in the Punishment of the Grave"(*17)He also said:"Punishment of the Grave is a true fact. The servant will be questioned about his Religion and his Lord.Munkir and Nakeer and Paradise and Hellfire are also true facts"

Abdul-Hasan al-Asharee(d.324H)(rh) -said:

 "The Mutazilah denied Punishment in the grave.It has been related from the Prophet(saw) by many ways and by his Companions(rta).Nothing has been related from a single one of them denying or negating this,to the point when there is ijmaa(comcensus) from the Companions of the Prophet(saw)"(*22)He also said:"There is consensus that the Punishment of the grave is a true fact,and that people will be tested and questoined in their graves.So may Allaah,establish us with what He loves'

Also, here is a hadith that has been narrated by Imam Ali(a.s), Imam Al Reda(a.s.), and Imam Jaafar As Sadiq(a.s.)

One who denies (any of these) three things is not among our Shi`a (followers): the Me`raj, the questioning in the grave and ash­ Shafa`ah (intercession).

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how do you really know if you are going to be questioned in the grave and what questions you will be asked?



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Salam to herjihad,

I am very deliberately avoiding discussing the policy of Omar in implementing Sharia as the Caliphate, as this is a very different issue than what we are discussing and would take us to far off topic.

In regards to reliance on our own experience, understanding to explain Quran, here is an interesting discussion on this topic from one of the most well-know and respected Mufasireen, Sayed Tabatabai, author of "Al-Mizan". In his forward to this book, he writes,

" In this life we are surrounded by matter; even our senses and faculties are closely related to it. This familiarity with matter and material things has influenced our mode of thinking. When we hear a word or a sentence, our mind races to its material meaning. When we hear, for example, the words, life, knowledge, power, hearing, sight, speech, will, pleasure, anger, creation and order, we at once think of the material manifestations of their meanings. Likewise, when we hear the words, heaven, earth, tablet, pen, throne, chair, angel and his wings, and Satan and his tribe and army, the first things that come into our minds are their material manifestations....

In this way, we jump to the familiar (which most often is material) meaning of every word. And it is but natural. Man has made words to fulfil his social need of mutual intercourse; and society in its turn was established to fulfil the man's material needs. Not unexpectedly, the words became symbols of the things which men were connected with and which helped them in their material progress

But we should not forget that the material things are con­stantly changing and developing with the development of expert­ise. Man gave the name, lamp, to a certain receptacle in which he put a wick and a little fat that fed the lighted wick which illumi­nated the place in darkness. That apparatus kept changing until now it has become the electric bulb of various types; and except the name "lamp" not a single component of the original lamp can be found in it.

 

Likewise, there is no resemblance in the balance of old times and the modern scales - especially if we compare the old apparatus with the modern equipment for weighing and measuring heat, electirc-current's flow and blood-pressure.

 

And the armaments of old days and the ones invented within our own times have nothing in common, except the name.

 

The named things have changed so much that not a single component of the original can be found in them; yet the name has not changed. It shows that the basic element that allows the use of a name for a thing is not the shape of that thing, but its purpose and benefit.

 

Man, imprisoned as he is within his habitat and habit, often fails to see this reality. That is why al-Hashawiyyah and those who believe that God has a body interpret the Qur'anic verses and phrases within the fame-work of the matter and the nature. But in fact they are stuck with their habit and usage, and not to the exterior of the Qur'an and the traditions. Even in the literal meanings of the Qur'an we find ample evidence that relying on the habit and usage in explanation of the divine speech would cause confusion and anomaly. For example, Allah says: nothing is like a likeness of Him (42:11); Visions comprehended Him not, and He comprehends (all) visions; and He is the Knower of subtilities, the Aware (6 :73) ; glory be to Him above what they ascribe (to Him) (23 :91; 37:159). These verses manifestly show that what we are accustomed to cannot be ascribed to Allah.

 

It was this reality that convinced many people that they should not explain the Qur'anic words by identifying them with their usual and common meanings. Going a step further, they sought the help of logical and philosophical arguments to avoid wrong deductions. This gave a foot-hold to academic reasoning in explaining the Qur'an and identifying the individ­ual person or thing meant by a word. Such discussions can be of two kinds:

 

i) The exegete takes a problem emanating from a Qur'anic statement, looks at it from academic and philosophical point of view, weighs the pros and cons and with the help of the phil­osophy, science and logic decides what the true answer should be. Thereafter, he takes the verse and fits it anyhow on that answer which, he thinks, is right.

 

The Muslim philosophers and theologians usually followed this method; but, as mentioned earlier, the Qur'an does not approve of it.

 

ii) The exegete explains the verse with the help of other relevant verses, meditating on them together - and meditation has been forcefully urged upon by the Qur'an itself - and ident­ifies the individual person or thing by its particulars and attributes mentioned in the verse.

 

No doubt this is the only correct method of exegesis."

SOURCE: http://www.al-islam.org/al-mizan/v1/2.htm

Salam

 

 

"The structure of faith is supported by four pillars endurance, conviction, justice and jihad."

Imam Ali (a.s.)
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Bismillah,

To know something is to do it.  I heard this hadith a long time ago about how Omar, SWS, would implement the Quran he knew before he would study more.  Someone can quote the exact hadith, I'm sure. 

So I take from this a good lesson that if I am impious and impatient, I need to work on those things because the Sura Wal Asr tells me to before I try to become an expert in history and other things.  People can do both, but I think the point is that we are not supposed to abandon the essentials that we haven't mastered to chasing new knowledge for the sake of "knowing" it.

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Salams to all,

It is your duty as a muslim to seek knowledge of your religion  as much as you have the ability. There are many hadith from both Shia and Sunni sources that verify this. I don't think I need to include, because the br. and s. are probably already familiar with them. Allah (s.w.a) knows best and none of us are in a position to judge someone else on this point. I would like to say, however, that this information is much easier to find nowdays with all the modern implements of information technology (such as the Internet and forums such as this) so it follows logically that we will be much more accountable before Allah(s.w.a) for this knowledge than our anscestors were.

Respectfully and with Salams,

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Bismillah

Assalamu'alaikum!

Knowing meticulous details is not compulsory for all, though much preferred. Some people drive cars without even knowing what's beneath the bonnet and many are good drivers. Most people use PCs and are least interested how motherboards and microchips relate to each other.

When the car breaks, or when a PC crashes we all prefer to seek professional advice and have a knowledgeable and experienced person attend to the problem. Nobody seeks a second opinion on a heart surgery from a butcher, even though on the surface they both in some way or other cut meat. 

Perhaps the way the discussion on methodology of recording of the ahadeeth and developing a tafseer developed, was a little specialised. However, it should be made clear that to come up with fatwaas for the masses and publish explanations of the Qur'aanic verses you also need to be qualified... just like an IT specialist. Some people take a little more effort in order to facilitate religious matters for others. That does not necessarily mean that everyone has to become a scholar and enforce correct terminology on others.

Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet said, "Facilitate things to people (concerning religious matters), and do not make it hard for them and give them good tidings and do not make them run away (from Islam)." Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 69



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Salams to all,

I am also a revert to Islam (I was born Christian and have been muslim for 12 years). I am not here to tell anyone what to do or what to believe or who is right and who is wrong. As you know, in our religion, everyone is responsible only for him or herself. I am doing these postings only for myself. If someone else wants to take knowledge from them or take issue with them that is up to them.

When I first converted, as is the case with most converts, you are adopted by a community (some are adopted more than other , lol, you converts know what I'm talking about). I happened to be in contact with some brothers and sisters from South Lebanon when I converted. These muslims were Shia 12vers , as is the majority in the South part of Lebanon. I was around these people almost exclusively for the first 4 years that I was Muslim. Then I started to get curious.What if Shiaism is not the right way ? What if there is another school of thought that is more correct. I was convinced that Islam was the truth but there were so many different schools of thought, I wanted to find which one was the closest to the original message of the Prophet Muhammed (p.b.u.h) whom all muslims look to as their leader. I deliberately distanced myself from my Lebanese friends and started to hang around some Saudi and Kuwaiti brothers who were attending the University of California with me. After my independent research and my discussions with my Sunni brothers, I concluded that the Jaafari schools (Shia 12ver) was the most authentic Islamic tradition in line with the original message of Prophet Muhammed(p.b.u.h). This is still and ongoing project for me, that is why I am posting to this forum.

This is the bottom line,

We will all be questioned in the grave. We will be asked by the angel who is our Lord, who is our Prophet, what is our Book, and who is our Imam. Some think that we will just repeat these answers like a parrot, then strait to the Jinnah. But if this is the case, then why do we deserve to go to Jinnah, and not the Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. They can also memorize and repeat answers.  There is a fine point here, because even if you are not a muslim, your good deeds will be accepted, but not your religion. So if we want to be safe on that day of trial, we must really KNOW! We must know the WHY, in addition to the who, what, where, and when of our religion. If you are 100% confident that you know the WHY to all these questions, then you are excused and may go to recess (a little joke). If not, then we all need to sit in class a little longer. Wa Salama

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Assalamu alaikum,

Yes, sister Herjihad, I do agree.  I too came to Islam (with the Mercy of Allah) because I liked it's very simplicity.  It seems many prefer to make it complicated!

The message of Islam is so simple that anyone can grasp it, by the Grace of Allah.  Those who wish to delve deeper, can, because the depth of meaning in the simple message is unfathomable.  Certainly a much nobler persuit than the things most people prefer to use their time for!

For those who enjoy delving into the depths of Islam, good for you.  For the rest of us, the simple, straight forward message will do!  And Allah knows best.

Peace, ummziba.

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