How to NOT categorize women

Crass,

I agree with you regarding the social culture makes people who do not want to live this "free" lifestyle they battle a uphill battle. The "free" lifestyle is constantly around you and the message seep through.

I do agree with Angela that people are trying. I think it is easier to raise kids with stronger moral values in rural areas.

I also tend to think it has alot to do with how people view marriage and relationships. People think "love" is the main part but really, that is an "extra" bonus in a sense to shared moral values, respect and actually basic decency and such.

And the only thing is that to assume that all these women are sleeping around. And there are some but not most people. It is just one aspect of a society that focuses on the individual rather then the collective and has many other problems besides sexual morality.

Society is not some isolated entity. Family also developes social norms as well but sometimes people within such social norms do not act within the macrocosm of society. By the way, the illusion of "free sex without consequences" is not something totally isolated to Western countries. Like I said unreported groups within highly religious countries have these activities it is just not as noticeable and visible as it is here.

God gave us free will to chose right and wrong.  When society forces any norm, people will rebel.  I use the example of Saudi Arabia often.  Unlike the Afghani people, they cannot blame poverty and lack of educational resources for their failings.  I'm quite sure there is a fine line between encouraging proper behavior and tyranny.  When school girls are not allowed to flee fire because they are not properly covered, this becomes a problem.  Those girls were not running out of a school to show themselves off.  They were just trying to survive.  The moral police should have let them out and then gathered them in a safe place.  If they were really concerned for these young girls, they would have got them to safety and then sent some officers to get hijabs for them. 

Western women have to walk a fine line between being objectified and losing their god given freedom.  The Quran states a woman is not property, she is a person in her own right.

You say about men FORCING morality.  That is wrong.  There is no compulsion in religion.  A good, loving, caring and dutiful father will have his daughters undying loyalty.  He won't have to force anything.  She would have been taught right and wrong and will want to find a husband like her father. 

Women look for men who represent what they know.  If the father is a controlling abusive tyrant.  The girl thinks that's what a man should be.  If the father is loving and responsible.  The girl will want that.

If the parents show their kids what a loving marriage can be, the children will want the same.  Arranged or not.  If a girl trusts her parents and has no reason to fear, wouldn't she be more likely to accept a match that was made?  Especially if the parents make her part of the decision making process.  No woman wants to spend the rest of her life with someone that is a stranger. 

I turned to God dispite my parents.  They call themselves Christian but never go to Church...anywhere.  I would not have trusted my father to make a good match.  He didn't always treat my mother well and my mother was not the type to put herself on the line if he made a decision about us kids.

Women in the west date because they want to find the best man.  We want to decide for ourselves.  Women were nothing but property only 100+ years ago.  When you force women into such horrid conditions the pendulum swings equally the other way when that force is removed.  But like any pendulum, it will swing back and forth until the middle is found.

The Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) tried to remove the force and oppression of women.  He order female infantcide to stop.  He gave the woman property rights and the right to chose her husband.  He gave her the right to divorce and to make her own decisions.  Her male relatives are not suppose to force anything on her.  They are to protect her from... other men. 

If your daughter's husband is beating her, its your responsibility to protect her.  That is not to say, its your right to force her to divorce him. 

If your wife doesn't clean the house because she's tired.  Its not your right to beat her for disobedience.

The problem with your idea of forced morality is that it leaves no place for a woman to exercise her God ordained rights as an individual.  If a woman wants to live alone, have 50 cats and work for herself.  That's her right.  If she wants to marry a man who will let her work outside of the house, then she better put it in the martial contract and be firm with her soon to be husband. 

Forcing young girls only causes them to rebel.  My mother kept me from sleeping around by being open with me.  She never told me no, but she did educate me on all of the consequences.  She set an example and encouraged me to follow it. 

Morality is taught by the mother.  Not the father.  Its not the father who shapes his daughters views of right and wrong.  Its the mother.  The father shapes the girls views of the world.  If he's cruel and unjust, she will thing the world is like that.  If she sees her mother as the victim, she will become one. 

If her mother is immoral, then she won't get morality from her father, no matter how he forces the situation.  There is a reason God gave women the priviledge of childbirth and told men to get out into the fields and work. 

Gender roles are defined for a reason, but neither is superior to the other.  Taking away freedom does not correct morality.  It only harms the people its intended to protect.

(I also have to state, that among our beliefs, the removal of free will is Satan's plan.  You are only rewarded with Heaven if you of your own free will obey God.  Your obedience must be tested.  It cannot be forced.)

And also, since she is giving it away without marriage commitment, she's going to give it away after marriage too. It's hard to drop bad habits. Most people can't. You can't trust any woman you met in that way. It's also very dangerous. No man wants to get caught up in divorce proceedings. So, that means: no marriage.

This is not true Crass. Really. People grow up and change.

Plus you make it like woman A is bad. Man is good. Wants no divorce. Come on. You make men sound like pillars of the community.

You cannot lock people away. Eventualyl people must be allowed to make their own decisions as well as their own mistakes.

It is like you are saying men are men and women are wither pure or prostitutes. And really all women should staty away from western men who are not not virgins. Really both should be virgins upon their marraige. If he did it before, he'll do it again.