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 Posted: 17 April 2007 at 8:57pm |
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All Praises are for Allah. Salaam and may the guidance of Allah (S) reaches you, Insha-Allah. Patty or any Christian please explain this for me: 2 kings 2:11 Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
John 1:19-21 Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, �Who are you?�
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All Praises are for Allah. Salaam! It is not withen the believe system (Aqueeda) of the Ah-Lus-Sunnah-wal Jamaah. It did not sanction by any Scholars of Islaam. It is only my openion, I repeet, It is only my openion. Have a look: OVER IT ARE NINETEEN It is mentioned in Qur�an: And We have fixed their number (19) only as a trial for the Disbelievers. (N.Q.74:30) Leave Me alone (to deal) with whom I created lonely (without any wealth or children, etc., A l-Walid bin Al-Mughriah Al-Makhzumi). (N.Q.74:11) Yusuf Ali (early) commentary 5790:- The commentator understood the reference to be to Walid ibin Al-Mughriah, who was a wealthy Subarite, Pagan to the core, and an inveterate enemy to the Holly Prophet (pbuh). He and Abu Jall did all they could, from the beginning of the preaching of Islam, to abuse and persecute the Preacher, to run down his doctrine, and to injure those who believe in it. But the meaning for us is much wider. The Pagans as a hold was trying to destroy Islam and the People of the Book. (See Q.30:2-4) Allah has described them: To whom I granted resources in abundance, and sons to be by his side! - To whom I made (Life) smooth and comfortable! Yet is he greedy- That I should add (yet more) - By no means! For to Our Signs he has been refractory! Soon will I visit him with a mount of calamities! For he thought and he plotted- And woe to him! How he plotted! - Yea, Woe to him; how he plotted! - Then he looked round; then he frowned and he scowled; then said he: �This is nothing but magic, derived from of old;� Soon will I cast him into Hell-Fire! And what will explain to thee what Hell-Fire is? (Q.74:12-27) Allah said: �what will explain to thee what Hell-Fire is?� and He give the answer �Soon will I visit him with a mount of calamities.� (V.17), and He place two woe upon them: the first is fall of the Pagans Empire (See Q.30:2-4) and the second is the rise and fall of the Pagans Empire, only this time the will be carrying the Scriptures of the People of the Book (Modern Day Pagan Empire). �We have fixed their number (19) only as a trial for the disbelievers- in order that the People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) may arrive at certainty� (N.Q.74:31) Naught doth it permit to endure, and naught doth it leave alone! - darkening and changing the colour of man! (Q.74�28-29) Yusuf Ali com. 5792: �the brightness of his very manhood is darkened and extinguished by sin. THE FALL OF MODERN DAY PAGAN EMPIRE For he thought and plotted�Yea, woe to him how he plotted. (V.18-20) Over it are nineteen (angels as guardians and keepers of Hell). (Q.74:30) And We have set none but angels as guardians of the Fire. And We have fixed their number (19) only as a trials for the disbelievers, in order that the People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) may arrive at certainty [That this Qur�an is the truth as it agrees with their Books regarding the number (19) which is written in the Taurat (Torah) and Injil (Gospel)] � (N.Q.74:30) INJIL Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife (the church) hath made herself ready. (Rev. 19:7) And to her (the church) was granted that she (the church) should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saint. (V.8) And he said unto me, Write, Bless are THEY which are called unto the marriage SUPPER of the Lamb. And he said unto me, These are the true saying of God. (V.9) And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the FOWLS that flies in the midst of heaven come and gather yourself together unto the SUPPER of the Great God; that you may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. (Rev.1917-18) We have the saint and the fowls that fly in midst (Air) of heaven, they are called unto the marriage SUPPER to eat of those people. Which fowls or bird that flies in midst (Air) heaven can eat those people, feather bird or iron bird? He [Jesus (pbuh)] cometh with cloud; and every eye shall see him (from the media). (Rev.1:7) He will strike from the cloud, midst air (heaven) with the army which is in heaven. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses [fowls that fly in midst heaven (iron bird)], clothed in fine linen, white and clean. (Rev.19:14) Does it ring a bell? Nineteen (19) in the Scripture, nineteen (19) angels and nineteen (19) terrorist coming from the cloud. But verily over you (are appointed angels) to protect you. (Q.82:10) For him (each person), there are angles in succession, before him and behind him. The guard him by command of Allah� (Q.13:11) And We have fixed there number (19) only as a trial for the Disbelievers, in order that the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christian) may arrive at certainty [That this Qur�an is the truth as it agree with their Book regarding the number (19) which is written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injil (Gospel)] and that the believers may increase in Faith (as the Qur�an is the truth), and no doubt may be left for the people of the Scripture and the believers, and that those in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy) and the disbelievers may say: �What Allah intend by this (curious) example?� Thus Allah leads astray whom He wills and guide whom He wills. And none can know the host of your Lord but He. And this (Hell) is nothing else than a (warning) reminder to mankind. (N.Q.74:31) Verily, it is but one of the greatest (signs). A warning to mankind � To any of you that choose to go forward (by working righteous deed), or to remain behind (by committing sins). Q.74:35-37 No misfortune can happen on earth or in your own soul but is in a book before We bring It into Existence. Verily, that is easy for Allah. (Q.57:22) And I saw heaven open, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called faithful true. And in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his heave were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. (Rev.19:11-12) He will be support by many kings and only he knew how to destroy the BEAST. And the he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. (V.13) He will wage war for the Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. (V.14) These are the nineteen angels that guided the believers. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smith the nation: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. (V.15) He shall used war of words to motivate the believers and treadeth the Government that used pubs, and disco to promote alcohol, prostitution and all evil �THE MOTHER OF HERLOTS�. See explanation of Rev.17 and 13 When comes the help of Allah, and victory, and thou does see the people enter Allah�s religion in crowds, celebrate thy praises of thy Lord, and pray for His forgiveness: For He is oft-returning (in grace and mercy). (Q.110:1-3) �Abd Allah ibn Mas�ud said: �The Prophet (pbuh) said, �Islam begin as something strange, and it will revert to being strange as it was in The Beginning, so good tidings for the strangers.� Someone ask, �Who are the strangers?� He said, �The ones who break away from their people (literally, �tribes�) for the sake of Islam.�� This Hadith was narrated by Ibn Majah on the authority of Anas and Abu Hurayrah. [Muslim, Kitab al-Iman, 1/90; Ibn Majah, Kitab al-Fitan(hadith 3988), 2/1320.]
Does the word �The Beginners� ring a bell? Coincident! When the Crusaders strike Muhamed (pbuh) said: �My Ummah will split into seventy-three sect, all of them in the fire except one.� It was said, �Who are they O messenger of Allah?� He said, �That which I and my Companions are upon.� [Saheeh: Abu Daawood (2/503-504) and Al-Hakim (1/128); Marfoo form: Ahmad from Anas and Ibn Majah (2/1322); And others from Abu Hurairah� radiallaahu anhu � from the Prophet(pbuh).]
And the woman (false church)�is that These (ten kings) have one mind (believe) and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall over come them: for he is Lord of Lord, and king of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen and faithful. (Rev.17:13-14) Lord of Lords is used metaphorically to indicate power. For example, Paul referred to the devil a �god� in 2nd Corinthians 4:4 �in their case the �god� of this world had blind the minds of the unbelievers�� And Lord said unto Moses, see I made thee a �god� to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy Prophet. (Exodus.7:1) The Lamb would not win the war, he shall overcome them. For God hath put in their heart to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. (Rev.17:17). The Dajjal (Anti Christ: the false teaching of Christ, false Church) has taken your place among your off spring (Iraq) so they will throw whatever is in their hand and go forward, sending TEN HORSEMEN as a scouting party. The Prophet (pubh) said: �I know their names, and the names of their father and the colour of their horses. They will be the BEST horsemen on the FACE of the EARTH on that day.� (Ahmad, Musnad, 1/384, 38; Muslim, Kitab al Fitan, 8/177,178) And the ten horns (ten kings from the east) which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore (false church that great city), and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire, (Rev.17:16) Rev.19:19-21 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. Daniel 2:44 and in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a KINGDOM, WHICH SHALL NEVER DESTROY: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but BREAK IN PIECES and CONSUME ALL THESE KINGDOM, AND IT SHALL STAND FOR EVER. Isaiah 29: 12-14 (WHEN THE UNLETTRED PROPHET COMES)�for the WISDOM OF THE WISE MAN SHALL PERISH� Daniel 7:28 HITHERTO IS THE END OF THE MATTER� What is the Islamic belief of Mahdi? (see my openion) Edited by truthnowcome |
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All Praises are for Allah. Salaam and may the guidance of Allah (S) reaches you, Insha-Aallah. The seven seals: Rev.5:1�A Book written within and on the back side, sealed with seven seals. Do not mistake the Book that mentioned in Rev.10:1-3 �And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven� And he had in his hand a little book open...� for the Book that mentioned in Rev.5:1 The one that mentioned in Rev.10:2, in verse 4 it is mentioned: �And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I (John) was about to write: and I heard a voice from haven saying unto, seal up those things which the seven thunder utters, and write them not. (Rev.10:4) The angel brought the little book and John was order not to write down the message in that book because the time was not right. So it is not the bible because the bible is a written book and it (the bible) is telling us about another book and also when John was about to write he heard a voice from heaven saying, �Seal up those thing�and write them not.� It would mean, when this Book will reveal, some one will have to be there to write it down. However! It is not the Book that mentioned in Rev.5:1, because that book is already written and every time a seal is open a certain event takes place. Rev.6:1-2�when the lamb opened one of the seal�behold a white horse: he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. The advent of Muhamed (pbuh): Habk. 3:16�when he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops. Rev. 6:7-8 And when he had open the forth seal�a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the forth part of the earth (New world: the west), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. These two seals depict the History of Muhamed (pbuh) and the eight King [Rev.17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even He is the eight (Modern day Rev.6:9-15 And when he open the �fifth seal� I saw under the alter the souls of them that slain for the word of God (The Qur�an), and for the testimony which the held: Rev.6:10 And they (in Guantanama bay and Abu Garib, est). cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord (O Allah) holy and true, does thou judge and avenge our blood on them (the Crusaders) that dwell on the earth? Rev.6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them (the promis of heavem); that they should rest yet for a little season (which is now) until there fellow servants also and there brethren, that should be killed (by the Crusaders) as they were, should fulfilled. Rev.6:12 And I beheld when he open the six seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood (this is an eclipse); Rev.6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind (meteorite showe). Rev.6:15�hid themselves in den and in the rock of mountain (concrete buildings and bomb shelters). The rest of verses explained it self. The ones that will save are who have the �Seal� in the forehead by prostrations, some Jews and all people and nations who come out of great tribulation that we are in and still happening. Rev.7:3-14 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Not crucifixion, is who fought with the Lamb: These are they which came out of great tribulation, The trumpet: Rev.9:11 depict Apollion and that is the sounding of the fifth trumpet. How many war fought after that? All these are events that written down to happen in the book in Rev.5:1. We are now with the eight king. Rev.17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even He is the eight (Modern day
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Muslims doesn't believe in the Bible
But even so they try hard to give Links to Mohammad One most used verse is this from Moses time : I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. (Deuteronomy 18:18) That prophet is Jesus, as Jesus clearly said : John 5,46 "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. And made also another link to that Prophet announced to Moses "Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the [day] following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem." - Luke, 13-33 And even more things to consider OUTSIDE the scriptures : 1) Both Moses and Jesus were Israelites descending from the prophet line of Isaac of Jacob; Muhammad was an Arab 2) Both Moses and Jesus were in Egypt; Muhammad was not 3) Both Moses and Jesus were saved as babies; Muhammad was not 4) Moses (Ex.33: 13-14) and Jesus (Matt.11) knew God personally, Muhammad did not! 5) Both Moses and Jesus did miracles, but according to the Qur�an Muhammad performed none (Sura 24: 13) (29: 50). 6) Jesus and Moses never advocated foreign gods, however Muhammad at one point encouraged the worship of the three daughters of Allah. The conforter is the Holy Spirit that came in pentecost, and they must wait for that promise : Acts 1-4 And, being assembled together with [them], commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, [saith he], ye have heard of me. And finally He came : (Acts 2,3) And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. Because Jesus already is in Heaven with The Father.....and both ( Je sus and The Father ) sent the Holy Spirit Read ans See The Glory of Holy Spirit, Because He is God and came from The Father and from The Son As jesus said : (S�o Jo�o 14,26) But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (S�o Jo�o 15,26) But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me (S�o Jo�o 16,7) Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. As the above verses says, Jesus was no longer in this World when the Conforter came ============ You can't proof Mohammad from the Bible I gave a very important link in order you to find order in chaos The Trinity Mohammad's point of view was : Trinity = FATHER + JESUS + MOTHER A common error and beliefs of arab-christians at the time of Mohammad Mohammad was confused about Trinity Edited by Delta |
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I would not have entered into this but for the following: 1) Both Moses and Jesus were Israelites descending from the prophet line of Isaac of Jacob; Muhammad was an Arab You mean that you have a family God?. And family prophets only?. You are limiting the bounties of the Lord God to your own people?? What a bad distributor of blessings!!! Does it matter the one has to be in Egypt to be like Moses?? No. 3) Both Moses and Jesus were saved as babies; Muhammad was not It is meaningless argument. Nothing is wellknown about Jesus being hunted or saved as a baby. It is all made up story. 4) Moses (Ex.33: 13-14) and Jesus (Matt.11) knew God personally, Muhammad did not! Again a self made announcement. No truth in it at all. 5) Both Moses and Jesus did miracles, but according to the Qur�an Muhammad performed none (Sura 24: 13) (29: 50). Again false news. Made up story. Jesus also showed no miracles. The persons who were told to get up had not died. Not one of them was dead. Please read the bible. Jesus said that the adulterous generation seeks a sign. No sign shall be shown to them except the sign of the prophet Jonas. As Jonas was in the body of the fish for three days and three nights, so shall the son of man be in the body of the earth for three days and three nights. Jesus said that no other sign shall be shown by him. But he did not show that sign to the adultrous people. He did not remain underground (was not buried at all) for three days and three nights. It proves that he was also a prophet like Jonas and nothing more than that. Then after healing and getting up, he walked away and disappeared very soon. Did not go to the adultrous people to show them his face at all. He remained in disguise, met his friends only and went away some where, never to be sen by those people. Did he show the sign of Jonas to the people?? No. Not at all. And he had not promised to show any other sign. So what did he show?? Nothing at all.
It is a lie. A White lie. Complete lie. Misinformationand accusation.
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All Praises are for Allah. Peace!
I have extablished a barage of proof to connect the Link between both books: Isaiah 28,29 and 42; revelation 10,11,and 12. I didn't quote "Duet.18:18" although I know it is about Muhammad (S), Because you guys have a way in coming arround. However I'll deal with that later.
I have answer this already, but it seems to me you didn't catch it. So I'll break it down for you. (S�o Jo�o 16,7) The condition for the Comforter to come is that Jesus (pbuh) MUST GO before he COMES. In John chapter 20:21-22, the disciple received the Holy Ghost BEFORE Jesus (pbuh) left. ...As my father hath sent me, even so I �SEND� you (the disciple) And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said unto them, �RECEIVED YE THE HOLY GHOST.�(John.20:21-22) Did Jesus (pbuh) �SEND� the disciples out �EMPTY HAND?� NO! The �RECEIVED THE GHOST;� BUT WHY? V.23 gives the answer: Whosesoever sins ye (THE DISCIPLES) �REMIT,� they are �REMITED� unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. So there is no future event on Pentecost, the disciples already �RECEIVED THE GHOST TO REMIT SIN.� I know they were looking for the �ANOTHER COMFOTRER: A TRUT PROPHET WITH A TRUE SPIRIT� in 1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. It is mentioned in John 14:26:- But the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I [Jesus (pbuh] have said unto you. This is the same one the recieved in John.20:21-22). After they would've recieved the one at John 20:21-22. They remember every things that Jesus (S) taught them about the other son of man in Heaven: He was in heaven: - And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN (John 3:13). Jesus (pbuh) was the Son of man and was ON the EARTH; he then spoke of ANOTHER Son of man which is IN HEAVEN. Beloved, believe not every SPIRIT, but try the SPIRITS whether they are of God because many false PROPHETS are gone out into the world. (1John.4:1) John is saying you must look for a TRUE PROPHET with the SPIRIT of TRUTH moving in him.
It was the prophesy of Joel 14But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
I have prove you wrong their.
Behold! The angel said: O Mary! Allah giveth thee Glad Tidings of a word from Him: His name will be (Isa})Christ Jesus, the son of Mary...She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" Allah createth what He willeth: when He hath decreed a matter, He but saith to it BE, and it is! (Q.3:45-47)
It is mentioned in the Qur'an: O people of Book! Commit no excess in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was {no more than} a Messenger of Allah and His word {BE}, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messenger. Say not "trinity": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is one God: Glory be to Him. (Q.4:171) Jesus was a MESSENGER of Allah, a WORD from Allah and a SPIRIT proceeding from Allah. ...He shall testify of me. (John.15:26) The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "BE" And he was. (Q.3:59) The truth [comes] from thy Lord alone; so be not of those who doubt. (Q.3:60) Allah {S} said: "If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after [full] knowledge hath come to thee, Say: 'Come! Let us gather together, our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray. And invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!'" (Q.3:61) May the guidance of Allah reaches you all. peace.
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The condition for the Comforter to come is that Jesus (pbuh) MUST GO before he COMES. In John chapter 20:21-22, the disciple received the Holy Ghost BEFORE Jesus (pbuh) left. ====== Yes...that what I said...He must depart before the coming of the comforter. That's what I said ====== ...As my father hath sent me, even so I �SEND� you (the disciple) And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said unto them, �RECEIVED YE THE HOLY GHOST.�(John.20:21-22) Did Jesus (pbuh) �SEND� the disciples out �EMPTY HAND?� NO! The �RECEIVED THE GHOST;� BUT WHY? V.23 gives the answer: Whosesoever sins ye (THE DISCIPLES) �REMIT,� they are �REMITED� unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. ======= That is your interpretation. Jesus was giving the mission to apostles. What they (church ) must do afterwards and for ever In this verse we see that Christ bestowed upon His Apostles the following missions : 1) Mission of evangelize ("As the Father has sent me, so I send you�") 2) Gave them Power ("Receive the Holy Spirit"), and ... 3) ...and discretion whether or not to exercise this power ("If you forgive�; if you retain."). This verse cannot be explained away by claiming that the Apostles were simply authorized to go out and preach forgiveness only according to the following injunction: "that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be preached in his name to all nations" (St. Luke 24, 47). If such were the case St. John 20, 21-23 would be utterly devoid of purpose. The power to forgive sins was the first charism Christ bestowed upon the Apostles after His resurrection. In claiming that Her priests have the power to forgive sins, the Catholic Church is criticized and accused of carrying out a function that is proper to God alone. It is he same accusation Christ Himself had to endure: "This man is blaspheming" (St. Matt. 9, 3). ========= So there is no future event on Pentecost, the disciples already �RECEIVED THE GHOST TO REMIT SIN.� ========= That's is what you believe, there was " tongues like as of fire"... (Acts 2,3) And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they made miracles (Acts 2,4) "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." ======= It is mentioned in John 14:26:- But the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I [Jesus (pbuh] have said unto you. ======= And you are saying that Mohammed is the Holy Ghost that will come....is it ?! ========== It is mentioned in the Qur'an: O people of Book! Commit no excess in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was {no more than} a Messenger of Allah and His word {BE}, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messenger. Say not "trinity": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is one God: Glory be to Him. (Q.4:171) ========== Yes, Say not "trinity".... He didn't understood the "triUNE" conception of God's nature, neither do you You don't have a clear view what Holy Spirit is ======= Jesus was a MESSENGER of Allah, a WORD from Allah and a SPIRIT proceeding from Allah. ======== Correct...Word of Allah ( meaning God ) And In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John, 1-1 Of course.....a corrupted verse to you It is curious how you pull verses from the bible out of context and then, when you are faced with clear verses you say that it was corrupted So what can we conclude about this ?! That you must justify Mohammad only by your book not from the Bible, because the Bible is only Trinity from Genesis to Revelation, and prophecies about Jesus ( see bellow ) If you read carefully the Koran in your own language, you will see the misconception of the trinity when Mohammad sayd to be the Father (Allah) and The Mother and Jesus. And "Allah" is singular and yet plural as I pointed somewhere. Mohammad did know the bible as you do, it was the same bible. There is some strange similarities for a open eye such as : 1) The Wrath of God��.Jesus has the wrath�. �allah� has the wrath 2) First & Last�Jesus is the First & the Last�. �allah� is the First & the Last 3) Spirit of God�.Jesus is the Spirit of God in BOTH books 4) Word of God�.Jesus is the Word of God in BOTH Books 5) Book of Judgment�.Jesus holds the Book of Judgment� �allah� holds the book 6) The Hour�Jesus knows the Hour�. �allah� knows the hour 7) Coming with the Clouds�.Jesus will be coming with the Clouds� �allah� will be coming with the Clouds 8) Reward�Jesus hands out the reward in Heaven�.. �allah� hands out the reward in Heaven 9) Prostration�you are to prostrate before Jesus�.you are to prostrate before �allah� 10) Throne�..Jesus sits enthroned in Heaven�. �allah� sits enthroned in Heaven 11) New Creation�..Jesus comes with the New Creation�. �allah� comes with the New Creation 12) Resurrection�..Jesus is the Resurrection�.. �allah� does the resurrecting 13) Idols�..Jesus Abhors Idols��. �allah� abhors Idols 14) Door�.Jesus is the Door to Heaven�.. �allah� is the Door to heaven 15) Predestination�Jesus Predestines�� �allah� Predestines 16) Hypocrites�.Jesus calls-out the Hypocrites� �allah� calls-out the Hypocrites 17) Iron Staff�.Jesus rules with an Iron Staff�. �allah� rules with an Iron Staff 18) King�..Jesus is King of Kings�.. �allah� is King 19) Holy��Jesus is Holy�.. �allah� is Holy 20) Light�..Jesus is the Light & the Lamp��. �allah� is the Light and the Lamp 21) Patience�..Jesus is Patient�. �allah� is Patient 22) Repentance��Repent to Jesus�..Repent to �allah� 23) Right Hand�..Jesus is the Right Hand�� �allah� is the Right Hand 24) Deeds�.Jesus knows your deeds�.. �allah� knows your deeds ================= Jesus in the Bible ================= 1- The "seed of a woman": Genesis 3:15.... Galatians 4:4. 2- Descendent of Abraham: Genesis 12:3, 18:18.... Acts 3:25, Matthew 1:1. 3- Descendent of Isaac: Gen.17:19, Luc.3:34. 4- Descendent of Jacob: Numbers 24:17...... Luke 3:34, Matt.1:2. 5-- From the Tribe of Judah: Genesis 49:10, Luke 3:33. 6- Hair of the Throne of David: Isaiah 9:7.... Luke 1:32-33. 7- Born in Bethlehem: Micah 5:2.... Matthew 2:1.... Luke 2:4-7. 8- To be born of a Virgin: Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:18.... Luke 1:26-35. 9- Time of his birth: Daniel 9:25.... Luke 2:1: 10- Slaughter of the Innocent children: Jeremiah 31:15.... Matthew 2:16-18. 11- Flight to Egypt: Hosea 11:1.... Matthew 2:14-15. 12- He shall be called a Nazarene: Judges 13:5.... Matthew 2:23. The Passion : 13- Triumphal entry in Jerusalem on a donkey: Zechariah 9:9.... John 12:13-14. 14- Entry through the "Golden Gate", that shall be shut for ever after his entrance: Ezekiel 44:1-2.... Mark 11:7-8. 15- Betrayed by a friend, for 30 pieces of silver: Zechariah 11:12, Psalm 41:9... Mark 14:10, Matthew 26:14-15. 16- Money to be returned for a potter's field: Zechariah 11:13.... Matthew 27:6-7. 17- Judas's position to be taken by another: Psalm 109:7-8.... Acts 1:18-20. 18- Accused by false witnesses: Psalms .27:12, 35:11.... Mt 26:60-61, Mk.14:57. 19- Silent to accusations: Isaiah 53:7.... Matthew 26:62-63, Mark.15:4-5. 20 - Spat and struck: Isaiah 50:6, Matthew 26:67. 21- Hated without reason: Psalms 69:4, 35:19, 109:3-5.... John.15:24-25. 22- Soldiers divided his garments and gambled for his clothing: Psalm 22:18... Matt.27:35 (2 Prophecies) 23- Crucified, "pierced through hands and feet": Zechariah 12:10, Psalm 22:16.... Matthew 27:35, John 20:27. 24- Crucified with malefactors: Isaiah 53:12.... Mark 15:27-28. 25- Agonized in Thirst: Psalm 22:15.... John 19:28. 26- Given gall and vinegar: Psalm 69:21.... Matthew 27:34, 48, John 19:19. 27- No bones broken: Psalm 34:20.... John 19:32-36. 28- His side pierced: Zechariah 12:10.... John 19:34. 29- Deserted by God: Psalm 22:1.... Matthew 27:46. 30- Vicarious Sacrifice: Isaiah 53:4-5, 6, 12.... Matthew 8:16-17, Romans 4:25, 5:6-8, 1 Corinthians 15:3. 31- Buried with the rich: Isaiah 53:9, Matthew 27:57-60. 32- Deserted by his followers: Zechariah 13:7.... Mark 14:27. 33- Time of his death: Daniel 9:25.... Luke 2:1, Matthew 2:1: 34- Resurrection of Jesus: Hosea 6:2, Psalms 16:10, 49:15..... Luke 24:6-7, Mark.16:6-7. 35- Other dead raised with Him: Isaiah 26:19, Ezekiel 37:7-10..... Matthew 27:52-53. 36- Ascension to Heaven: Psalms 68:18, 24:3.....Lk 24:50-51, Acts 1:11, Mk.16:19. 37- Christ at the Right hand of the Father: Psalm 110:1..... Hebrews 1:2,3. |
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6) Jesus and Moses never advocated foreign gods, however Muhammad at one point encouraged the worship of the three daughters of Allah. It is a lie. A White lie. Complete lie. Misinformationand accusation. ====== Forgive me If I'm offending you or if I'm lying, correct me if I'm wrong It was not a easy task to Muhammad You must see Mecca before and after Muhammad's mission Was true when Muhammad tried to convince Meccans, later it was totally forbidden and destroyed. They was deities in Mecca, like Mary and Jesus was also. Muhammad considered himself as the one whose mission was to purify the holy place of worship in Kaaba and abolish polytheism in his city of birth, Mecca. There were said to be 360 different deities including Awf, the great bird, Hubal the Nabatean god, the three celestial goddesses Manat, al-Uzza and al-Lat, and statues of Mary and Jesus Muhammad took control of Mecca and destroyed the 360 pagan idols, with the notable exception of the statues of Mary and Jesus Only Allah was left as to be the true God of Abraham You must understand Allah and Manat, al-Uzza and al-Lat, BEFORE Muhammad mission and AFTER Muhammad mission Edited by Delta |
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