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USA-NIQAABI
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Assalamu'Alaikum, I'm cutting and pasting a Q/A that is kind of lengthy but is very interesting with regards to this thread it is of most interest in the Answer portion #3-#4. I wanted to post this not to add division but to support an Important issue that is inter-related with women driving. Islam is a complete and perfect way of life. I've read in many threads some phrases like "You just have to make Islam fit your modern Life"....the truth is it is our responsibility to make our life fit Islam...Allah(swt) has planned every moment in time and has a perfect plan for all of us and it is up to us to strive and work hard to Please and serve Allah(Swt). As I had posted earlier, the issue of can women drive seems black and white but really isn't. In Islam as muslimahs we are held to a certain code of conduct and we carry great responsibilities with regard to what we've been instructed to do in relation to what our job with in our family is. Yes, if you are living in a country that allows women to drive you can obtain your license. But the important thing to remember is how you use that and what constitutes great urgency for you to leave your homes and why it is important to stay in your homes from an Islamic view. Also, I read some valid concerns about who will retreive the children from school, do the shopping, or go to work etc. I would like to respond to that by incouraging everyone to search online and go to any Islamic site and ask the question of who's responsiblity it is to handle these matters as for providing safety and care for the family shopping etc. It is the husbands responsibility if you are married or a Mahram such as a father or brother etc if you are not yet married. It is not Haram for a muslimah wife or daughter to help but it is also not halal for a husband or mahram to not live up to his responsibilities. I think the important question that should be asked is Why are we as muslimahs are being required to live an Islamic lifestyle and advised that it is best to stay in our homes and only leave for great urgency and to leave certain responsibilities up to our husbands/mahrams and other responsibilites up to us. I also wanted to address the issue of it's not easy to live an Islamic way of life in a non-Islamic country. We have very strict instructions on why we should be living or not living in a non-muslim country and what we should be doing if we are being prohibited from living an Islamic lifestyle in a non-muslim country. This life that we live is very short...and the dunya will never follow us to the grave....If you ask Allah(swt) to bless you and guide you and make easy for you a straight path to journey on he will.
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rami
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
Brother Rami , your post has addressed only travelling and not commuting within the city. my above post states a women can travel a distance of 48 miles without a mahram, if you mean going back and forth in the same city for some relevant reason not joy riding etc [] then as i understand it [and i could be wrong] that 48 miles can be taken as a radius. i am not a shaykh sister but but i am able to percieve one area the fatwah fails to address, i bring it up becouse our scholars do not shy away from looking at a matter from all perspectives. The original ahadith mention a women can travel a distance of 3 days riding without a mahram which modern ulama equate to 48 miles distance i perceive that this falls short of what is intended in the ahadith becouse 3 days journey means the women is sleeping on her own in the wilderness for two nights while she is traveling. A greater trust is placed in the women in that respect than a simple 48 mile journey. i dont mean to imply that women can travel overseas becouse due to modern transport a 3 day journey can take you across the world but that in cases such as western countries where it is extremely safe for a women to travel from city to neighbouring city the matter should be looked at more closely than to simply equate 3 days traveling to 48 miles which is purely a matter of ijtihad and not based upon primary or secondary sources. right or wrong as i may be i have yet to see a fatwah that clearly addresses this aspect of the matter. Sister USA-NIQAABI the ahadith are clear a women can travel a minimum distance of 48 miles without a mahram the means by which she gets there is not relevant. A women also does not need a mahram to go to the local shoping center becouse she is in an open area with many people, it is only haram for a women to be in a closed room with a man. For the one who wants sincere advice, the Islamic ruling is that one should not stay in kaafir countries. this is just plain ridiculous coming form a people who allow billboards with channel and kfc to be placed up within sighting distance of our prophets grave. It is also safer for a women to travel in a Kafiir country nowadays than it is to travel in an islamic country! Edited by rami |
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I guess it is all what you call a need. And it still does not answer, where does she go for a lawyer,if she is accused of a crime, or needs a lawyer for divorce, who should be her doctor and nurse, who shall be her aerobics instructor for her health, who wil lbe her arvery teacher (we are told to get exercise and be healthy after all), who will be the accountant for her business, who will be her physical therapist if she has an injury? (As i do with my back injury and need physical therapy, either the physical therapist or I need to leave their homes. I am not intending to make a big del about this, but they must answer, who will provide these services to women? These services are not performed really at home, so then it is up to each woman to define her need. I also think that in an ideal world, all marriages would be good (proper husbands and such), all families could survive on one income, etc. The reality is that Allah knows what each woman faces and what her intentions are. Sad to say, theat in many parts of the Moslem world, due to this focus many services are not provided for women. There are women languishing in jails with no one to serve them, there are women who cannot get the right medical care, as there are few women trained to service them. There are not enough teachers for all the childen. I can sit at home or I can be productive. Idleness is the worst. That is half the problem with women, they sit around and gossip, chat etc. The house is clean the kids are at school. Now what? Maybe if they volunteered at the school there would be 10 fewer illiterate children in the world. I recently saw a show on Al jeezera and it said how 40% of the children in the Arab world are illiterate. Maybe if women were more productive and not in their homes, or shopping or whiddling away time gossiping there would be fewer problems. Ofcourse not all women do, but alot do. Everyone seems quite interested in colntrolling women instead of solving really big issues. sad
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
Everyone seems quite interested in colntrolling women instead of solving really big issues. sad i think this area needs to be looked at more carefully by our ulamma becouse certainly many of islam great women where muhaditheen who used to leacture men. Imam shafii's great teacher in Egypt was a women, while other scholarly women where also business women.Allah would not allow our prophet [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam] to marry khadijah a rich business women if her primary activity in islam was something haram or was later to become haram. having said that we prove matters with the quran, sunnah, qiyas or ijtihad and not simply say becouse we dont like it we should just ignore what we dont like. Allah is all aware of the smallest whisper in your heart even if you dont notice it. Edited by rami |
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USA-NIQAABI
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Assalamu'Alaikum Br Rami, I wanted to say before I get started with my post that I respect your opinion. Also it is important not to make Islam an easy step for us but one that takes much discipline and dedication each and every day to make our actions and deeds pleasing to Allah(swt). I would say you might be mistaken, I spend at least 3 or more months a year in a muslim country and I think it is much safer to travel there than here. It is simply unheard of to leave the house without mahram or a large group of women from your family to go into the village market or city. Unless you are going to take lunch to the men in your family working in the fields and than it it still in a group of at least 4 women. However, I do agree that commercialism is everywhere but there is no comparison to living in a muslim country vs. a non-muslim country clearly it is best to live in a muslim country. Also, it is the husbands responsibility to do these things and take care of such matters. And every amount of her husbands money that is spent should be accounted for to the husband no matter how slight. There is nothing wrong with leaving the house as long as the husband grants his permission for unknown places to the family or none if she is going to a known place during normal daily hours. There is nothing wrong with a muslimah helping out with these duties but it is the husbands primary responsibility to do so and if the muslimah is not married it is the mahram that is caring for her. If she is doing such things she should be able to easily classify it as with some sort of urgency or she need not venture out into the city. Also, there is nothing wrong with women being educated in a female only school and working in a female only environment but whatever she earns is never to be contributed to the household expenses. It is her money to do with as she sees fit...There are many halal positions for sr's to hold as long as they serve only sr's. I see a female dentist that only has female employees and only sees women and children. Khadija did establish her own trading business but she had trustworthy people mostly family members conductiong her business abroad...and I don't know of a time that she did go on a trading caravan but had she most certainly she would of had mahram with her because of how women were viewed in society at that time before Islam. Also, even though Islam was not yet established family life and preservation was at the top of their priority although wars among clans were legendary they did have a certain daily code of conduct to abide by. Lastly again, I would have to say that it is the womens responsibility to stay in her house there is nothing to support her not being there. But there is plenty to instruct how she should conduct herself if she leaves her home and how far and how long she may go and who she may see or do business with before she must take the appropriate permissions. The Imam at our masjid seems more conservative than you but just as fair in his assessments of similiar situations. You might know our Imam he is well traveled and often attends yearly conferences. Here is our masjids web location: tawheedcenter.org Assalamu'Alaikum Sr.Hayfa, I have a lot of respect for you as you have mentioned in other threads you are in a foreign country with no mahram teaching. But as a teacher wouldn't you have to agree a good foundation for learning begins at home remember what Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) has instructed for us about raising our children and how to go about the learning process and at what stage of life we do so and what we do for the first 7 years, than the next 7 years and than the final 7 years of growth and development. MasSalaama
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wa alaikum assalm sister you have more experience than me sister. It is upsetting for me to read that a person believes a women should never leave her house, my point was to mainly say women are allowed to participate in worldly matters and it is the responsibility of men to facilitate this. It is simply unheard of to leave the house without mahram or a large group of women from your family. In the fatwa i posted the shaykh presented the opinions of three madhhabs stating a women can travel 1 to 3 days journey without a mahram, which is completely opposed to the idea that she never leave the house without a mahram. Maybe where you travel this is for safety rather than anything else or they may simply adhere to the salafi rulings on the matter, allahu allam. Quickly browsing the site sister, i am not familiar with any names. If you are happy with his assesment then by all means i am not trying to apose anyone i rarely present my own personnel opinion, nor am i qualified to be comparred to an imam in my manner of assesment. There are differences of opinion on the matter as you can even see in my prior post but since ahadith exist which specifically state a women can travel without a mahram for 1-3 days journey i can not accept the fatwah you have posted since it does not mention these ahadith. There is a simple principle in islamic law that requires a scholar to gather all pieces of evidence then make a ruling based on that, i think you would agree this is common sense. Edited by rami |
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Assalamu'Alaikum Br Rami, I never intended to say indirectly a women should never leave her house. What I was trying to say and believe posted was that the best place for a women is in her home and that certain requirments must be met for her to leave her home such as having a valid reason or sense of urgency. I'm sure you are familiar with the requirments for a married women taking permission from her husband to go to unknown areas to visit or conduct business. The husband is responsible for his wifes safety and security if he doesn't even know where she is or if she is safe during her daily travels when needed he can not provide her safety and security. Also as far as going to the village market or city where we live overseas it is according to Islamic law and women need to travel in groups of more than 4. I believe that this is because of the Ayat in the Quran that explains if men or women are accused of acts that require witnesses'. Anywhere you travel in this world there is always evil and even if it may never come into your life the precautions should still be taken to safegaurd against these types of incidents. Going back to women driving alone day or night if she breaks down what's she going to do? If she's in the USA she'll probably call auto club to tow the car...I've never seen a female tow truck driver in my 20+ years of driving. She would have to be alone in the tow truck with the male driver. Just because a women is alone in a car she is not safe even walking to and from the car you see every night on the news horrible crimes against women just going to the market or their purses or cars being stolen...Tell me please brother if she is with her mahram or husband or a group of women aren't the possiblities of these horrible things happening far less...and if she stays at home to care for her family and wait for her husband to go to the market on his way home from work or go with him when he's home isn't that even safer. I do follow a large majority of the Salafi ways of thinking I'm an American Muslimah and have been for almost 20 years my husband is Shaafi' so we also follow that line of thinking as well....but no matter which line of thinking you follow Islam is the same and a womens role will always carry great rewards for her and her family if she strives hard to serve Allah(Swt). MasSalaama I'm not sure if you had read my very first posting on page 1 but it does mention hadith with similiar distances of travel you have posted as well. MasSalaama
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is just plain ridiculous coming form a people who allow billboards with
channel and kfc to be placed up within sighting distance of our
prophets grave. It is also safer for a women to travel in a Kafiir
country nowadays than it is to travel in an islamic country! |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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