Who Can Prove, Hadith is Prophet�s?

Bismillahirrahmanirraheem

Assalaamualaikum

nu001, your understanding of the Quran is incorrect. The Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam was a practical example of how to live life as a muslim. Why didnt Allah just send the Quran down to us, why did he send a messenger ?

When Aisha radiallahu anha was asked about the character of the prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam, she said his character was the quran.

Why does Allah stress upon obeying the Prophet so much (I dont need to repeat the verses). Allah said obey the messenger not obey the message.

"But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you [Muhammad] judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.� [al-Nisaa� 4:65]

 ï¿½. . . (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger . . .� [al-Nisaa� 4:59]

If you were to disbelieve in hadith, how would you know about the tafsir of the quran? Do you know when surahs were revealed, under what cicumstances, etc?

Kindly tell us the meaning of this ayah and for who was it revealed? "Allaah forbids you from it [slander] and warns you not to repeat the like of it forever, if you are believers." [al-Noor 24:17]"

How do you exactly make salah ? No takbeer? no tashahhud? what do you read in qiyaam etc? What do you do regarding hajj?

Most importantly, if you do not believe in the words of the Prophet or the narrations of the sahabas, how do you believe in the fact that Quran came through them?  It is the same prophet who memorised the quran, same sahabas who memorised the quran. You trust them to pass on the quran to us, but reject the fact that they can transmit hadith? Just because the Quran says it is the truth you believe it? what proof do you have besides that?

Do you have any idea, how much effort has been put into hearing and preserving the hadith? Just because some people like Abdullah Chakralwi and the likes do not accept hadith, does not mean we must just throw away these gems from the prophet.

Do you read any books on history?

Yes you belong to a group, (ironically called) ahle quran or qurani. Even if you deny it. 

Allahu Yahdee

amah wrote: nu001, you said: Read The history of compiling Quran. If it was not forbidden, 4 chaliphs had enough time to write it after writing the quran. If you like, check this hadith: "Do not write down anything of me except the Quran. Whoever writes other than that should delete it" (Ahmed, Vol. 1, page 171...also Sahih Muslim)     You read history? WHy? can historians not commit mistakes? And how come you quoted the hadith, aren't you not supposed to believe them?

Brother Amah

I have also read some of bible and other religious scriptures. I definitely read everything needed to understand the viewpoint of those who believe in History and Hadith for Guidance; For me Quran alone is enough and only guidance; that's what Quran testifies.

For those who believe that Quran is not enough; I am sure they will believe in the history & hadith to understand where they are going wrong. Just like a christian will understand a Quote from their bible to understand where they are going wrong, not the Quran.

I will be happy if you don't believe in the histories & hadith to make rules for Ibadah. I will write on your previous questions soon, insha-Allah in light of Quran, .

Meanwhile if you can please tell me what is the proof of these Hadith that these are prophet's words?

One can take the broad facts from history as general lessons related to the event. But can't draw religious laws from there, which relates to Ibadah of Allah.

Even the recent history of the world is manipulated by mankind to this extent that many are confused as to what is the fact. There are different versions of history of two world wars upto what is happenning in Iraq & Afg. Why should I turn to history for Ibadah while Allah has made it clear in Quran?

There may be some hadith which has elements of truth; but there are lies/false things mixed with it; how can that be a source of mandatory law? 

A person collecting it and telling us that this is sahih and this is not sahih, some scholars are disputing with what other is telling sahih; can that be something which can be a source of law for Ibadah? 

While everything is there in Quran, why do we need those? Prophet came with the message (Quran) from Allah and practiced it himself. I wish I was there to follow him and understand the Quran better. But unfortunately he left us and left the Quran for us as the Guidance from Allah. I am sure that the prophet didntot violet Quran and didnt make any laws beside the Quran.

Allah definitely forbids any other teaching other than Quran; And Quran is the only source of law for muslims. Mohammad didnt preach anything other than Quran. I quoted the verses in previous posts.

May Allah Guide us

amah wrote: Bismillahirrahmanirraheem Assalaamualaikum nu001, ...................................... "But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you [Muhammad] judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.� [al-Nisaa� 4:65]  ï¿½. . . (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger . . .� [al-Nisaa� 4:59]

Brother Amah

I am sure you will agree with me that Allah does not believe in coincidence. What ever he says and what ever he does, He exactly knows past, present and future of it. Just see some of the previous verses before He says verse 4:59:

04.048         Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.

004.049       Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who claim sanctity for themselves? Nay-but Allah Doth sanctify whom He pleaseth. But never will they fail to receive justice in the least little thing.

 004.050       Behold! How they invent a lie against Allah! but that by

                    itself is a manifest sin

If you have read it, iam sure that you understand the meaning of your verses. As the prophet was physically present amongst the people so it is mentioned him and Allah. How do you get him as your judge once he is dead? If you are trying to reach to a dead soul, you are trying to make him divine not human thus partnering with Allah.

As he was the judge during his life time, so there after many others will be judge to resolve disputes amongst people; Prophet did it with Allahs Laws, same will be done [and are possibly being done in some places] by Allahs laws by others. Did prophet have a different set of laws than Allah? 

I would love to go to the beloved prophet for justice than any other men we are going today for justice on disputes; because he would be sticking to the Quran better than anyone else there after. 

n001, you have not yet been able to refute any of the points that I have made and could not even explain the meaning of verse 82 of Surah Naml.

 I really dont understand why youre still arguing here. You even continued to mistranslate some verses even after I showed you the correct translation.

Let me ask another question. Which of the Authentic/Sahih narrations in Hadith books do you think contradict the Qur'an ? Instead of just repeating yourself please just show a few clear examples instead of repeatedly misquoting the Qur'an.

As for why we believe in the sayings of the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) it is because the Qur'an tells us to obey Allah And the Messenger, and because we know that the Prophet (pbuh) understood the Qur'an better than we do especially as he was taught by Gabriel/Jibrail and because he was chosen by Allah.

And you should also know that the same people who narrated and compiled the Qur'an also narrated the Hadith which were written down just one generation after by their students. And yes the Hadith are not as important and perfect as the Qur'an and any Hadith that truely contradicts the Qur'an is either abrogated or is a fabrication.

Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said: Very soon a tradition of mine will be related to a person lying on his couch who will say : "The book of Allah, Mighty and Glorious, is enough between you and us. Whatever we find in it as Halal we accept it as Halal and whatever we find in it as Haram we take it as Haram." Behold, whatever Allah's Messenger (pbuh) has declared as Haram is just like that which Allah has declared Haram.  (Sunan ibn Majah volume 1)