Who Can Prove, Hadith is Prophet�s?

I don't believe any of the men you are reffering, Every one heard from some one; there is not a single line written by those who were with prophet. They had enough time to write after the Quran was compiled. Allah did not want it to be followd.

Allah never says follow mohammad, every where follow the messenger. That only means following the messege of the messenger. You are talking about a time, when people were rejecting Allah's words, Allah needed people to follow atleast the Quran. Prophet was working hard to establish Quran.

Now the muslims have become so good that they believe the Quran so much that they are afraid to read it and put it in the shelf with respect. And listen to anyone who just reffers that mohammad said this and that and his sahaba did this and we all jump into doing it. Did it make us good muslims? Or worshipper of other human beings. rathar than Allah? Which Allah strictly forbids in Quran. Show me one Ayat which clearly says that Muhammad had even the right to make any law?

"You will find that the Sunnah of Allah is the only Sunnah" (33:62.... 35:43...48:23)
"Shall I seek other than Allah as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?� 6:114

nu001 wrote: Allah never says follow mohammad, every where follow the messenger. That only means following the messege of the messenger.

This is one of the most illogical arguements I have read in my life!!!

The Messenger of Allah was Mohammad (pbuh) and his understanding/interpretation of the Qur'an was certainly far better than yours.

Why do you think the Qur'an was taught by a Human messenger ? The Prophets not only bring books, but they also teach us how to obey them, how to implement the laws and also explain to us the verses in greater detail.

nu001 wrote: "Shall I seek other than Allah as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?� 6:114

This is what I mean when I say 19ners mistranslate the Qur'an.

The verse says:

Shall I then seek a judge other than Allah? And He it is Who has revealed to you the Book (which is) made plain; and those whom We have given the Book know that it is revealed by your Lord with truth, therefore you should not be of the disputers.

(Quran 6:114)

You also want to give the impression that the Hadith and the Qur'an are two completely different and contradictry or even opposite sources.

Hadith books are Explanations of the Quran, and any Hadith that contradicts the Qur'an is simply unacceptable as it is narrated in the Hadith books themselves (narrated from the Prophet) that we should reject any Hadith that contradicts the Qur'an.

So if you find a Hadith that Really contradicts the Qur'an, then you should leave it. But if there is an authentic Hadith that does not contradict or even fits in with the Qur'an then you should certainly obey it because it is an obligation to obey the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him.

Now a simple challenge nu001. What does this verse mean:

And when the word shall come to pass against/on them, We shall bring forth on them a creature out of the earth who shall speak to them because people did not believe in Our Ayaat with assurance. (Quran 27:82)

ak_m_f wrote: nu001 wrote: Tell me, what is not there in Quran for which we need Hadith? how to do salah ? Also I am uncertain about camel-urine hadith; what is the wisdom behind it ?

Sorry ak_m_f for being late; was having some trouble with my computer. Quran gives us a the perfext way to say prayers. I will give you the ref of all the verses in Quran for that insha-Allah. But will take some time to get it noted, that I have marked in Quran.

For now:

rami wrote: Bi ismilahir rahmanir raheem assalamu alaikum Hadith books are Explanations of the Quran, and any Hadith that contradicts the Qur'an is simply unacceptable as it is narrated in the Hadith books themselves (narrated from the Prophet) that we should reject any Hadith that contradicts the Qur'an. This is absolutely incorrect, there is no such hadith which says that. Further no scholar in the history of islam has rejected a hadith after it has been authenticated even if it clearly contradicts the Quran. The scholars seek to understand why an apparent contradiction exists, many of which have simple explanations like abrogation. Had they thrown out and rejected authenticated ahadith which "seem" to contradict the Quran the science of abrogation would not have ever existed. The Quran and hadith come from the same sources and where preserved by the same people disprove one you disprove the other. The only way a person can hold a beliefe that we should follow the Quran only 1) hasnt read the verses in Quran which clearly state we should follow the guidance of the prophet 2)  only speaks in general terms and hasnt gone to the effort of actually disproving indavidual ahadith.

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" 6:114

Does anything needs explanation when it is detailed? Specially if Allah says it detail? You have never tried to understand Allah and Islam from Quran; coz you are too much bogged down with man made ambiguous words like the christians and jews with their man made books.

Please read my posts from the begining; all my evidences are from Quran. Rathaer you are talking in general without any evidence from Allah. Aren't you talking with some prior conviction in mind.Think on it and come up with your evidences against the one I have given.

Salam