Women and hell

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

ZamanH wrote: The hadiths were certainly not for nothing. Many women I see are cowardly and incredibly greedy. In my place, I see many women pestering their husbands to separate from their parents. What do such nagging wives deserve from thier husbands???

I fully agree with you, there are many women who are too vain in their approach to life. Spending a lot of money in frivolities, spending time in gossip, and having their noses in other's matters. Really this is sad.  People need to be educated about the islamic way of living. however, have you ever pondered over the men, from the same background, in which these women are so wrong?

It can never be, that the men are upright while the women are involved in something that is reprehensible.  These women who bother their husbands, are somebody's daughters. Are those fathers fulfilling their responsibilities ?

You have posed a social problem, but have picked up only a portion of the problem, while left the other. If anyone sincerely wants to throw light on the issue, and wants to find solutions, he/she should look at the whole picture, and not just a part of it.

Maa salaama,

Nausheen

Nausheen wrote: Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem, Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim, ZamanH wrote: The hadiths were certainly not for nothing. Many women I see are cowardly and incredibly greedy. In my place, I see many women pestering their husbands to separate from their parents. What do such nagging wives deserve from thier husbands??? I fully agree with you, there are many women who are too vain in their approach to life. Spending a lot of money in frivolities, spending time in gossip, and having their noses in other's matters. Really this is sad.  People need to be educated about the islamic way of living. however, have you ever pondered over the men, from the same background, in which these women are so wrong? It can never be, that the men are upright while the women are involved in something that is reprehensible.  These women who bother their husbands, are somebody's daughters. Are those fathers fulfilling their responsibilities ?

Oh come ON! Men are some of the biggest gossips in the world! Don't just write all women off because they are good networkers and because they way they cope with trouble in their lives is to share it with other women and try to work through their problems.

Yes - there ARE women who are just talkative bimbos, but if that's who their husbands chose to marry, then that's _their_ problem! If you are married to a women you are _supposed_ to help her and take care of her, and if that involves trying to teach her to be more sensible, then so be it. If she's too stupid, then he should not have married her in the first place!

Kim...

In the Name Of Allah the Most Gracious and the Most Merciful

I do agree that nowadays Muslim Women have forgotten their duty in our great religion, for Islam considers women not just its biological reproducers but as well as its cultural reproducers of the next generation of the muslim ummah, my dear brothers and sisters always remember to fear Allah in any place at any time, one of the most precious thing in a women is her modesty, if ever her modesty is degraded how could she produce a well discipline and well trained in Islamic values if she herself is undiscipline, thus she just help destroy the religion of Allah.  But if she is strict in practicing the religion of Allah then she is helping the great religion s Allah. The example of this is like a machine in a factory, if the machine works well it will prduce a good product that is she can produce a next generation of muslim who hates wine illegal sexual intercourse, music and all the unlawful thing in Islam, the next generation that hates the kuffar the next generation who can spread and preserve islam, but if the machine is damage how could you expect to produce good products? it will just produce the same generation of mulim like this generation. drunkards, oers of illegal sexual intercourse, who are afraid of the kuffars and most of all unable to preserve thier great religion that is islam.

thats is why we d need to persuade our dearest sisters in Islam to protect thier modesty, and the best way to protect it is by wearing the proper hijab, protecting women's modesty is protecting Islam. because if the kuffars want to destry islam they will directly or indirectly hit the women.

I for one think that we losing ground on the issue at hand here when one is using Hadith to refer to the social problem here as Suelyman notes. I believe that this problem should not single women out but should be address by both sexes. I do not want to make this a MEN vs WOMEN issue because Allah has specifically stated in Qur'an that in his sight we are equal and our differences are through our deeds.

However just to note that there are 'some women' in this world who proclaim the beatitfic name of Allah and praise with words but do otherwise. Many commit infidelity and so forth and I personally know of one who has committed infidelity. But I also know men who have done the same as well. I believe that the contex from where the Hadith is coming from is more complicated than asserting some random generalization. As Suleyman notes we need to look at the examples of Khadijah and Aisha.

Kim in response to what you said I understand the frustrating tone in how you stated your disagreement but I have to say that when you said "women are some of the best networkers" you have to take into consideration that networking and communication is not dominated by either sex seeing how men and women act and behave differently even among the sexes. Again as someone here noted if ones Iman is not strong enough then that person does not need to be in a relationship with that person, plain and simple.