The REAL reason why the US invaded Iraq!

Sawtul Khilafah wrote: LOL!!   "Now" I claim to be an Iranian?? I said Im Iranian nearly two years ago.   .....................

Edited by nu001 - 16 May 2008 at 11:35pm

Duende, I wish I could explain what a typical Punjabi term "hud haraam" means. But one thing I can assure you of is that before I had come across this chap, I had never seen a perfect personification of this particular term.

And, now, he claims to be an Iranian. You know the rest of the episode about what else he has been!!

Edited by Whisper - 16 May 2008 at 3:33pm

I would just like to point out that Sawtul claims to have a political knowledge superior to many internationally known independent analysts and observers. Independent means they are not in the pay of corporate media and are known to be very critical and skeptical of the official stories generally published by mass media, reported by CNN, BBC, and Al Jazeera, for example. These reputable, independent sources (Gareth Porter, Greg Palast, Juan Cole, Raed Jaraar, Seymour Hersch, Pepe Escobar, Geoffrey StClair etc.,) have so far failed to see the connections Sawtul makes: i.e that Ahmadinejad and Sadr are secretly doing everything they can to support the puppet Iraq regime, and advance American interests in the region.

Instead of finding the twisted path to explain some Grand Secret Connivance between Iran and its mortal enemy the Grand Satan the United States of America (which Sawtul is so deeply attached to,) it is helpful to make some dispassionate observations and comparisons with other areas of similar geopolitical importance, such as between the U.S and Venezuela.

In Venezuela, as with Iran�s Ahmadinejad, we have another state leader whom the U.S claims to be an enemy of the people, a dictator, a terrorist financier, Hugo Ch�vez. Recently, the game there has been to instigate an attack on Ecuadorian land, of a Colombian rebel military (FARC) camp. The attack was carried out by Colombian forces with the help of U.S agencies. (Incidentally it was carried out at night, while the rebels were sleeping, and subsequent evidence shows that at least two of the slain guerrilas were shot in the back.) After the attack, miraculously (why anybody would traipse around the deep ecuatorial rain forests with a lap top in his rucksack is not a question anybody has asked,) a laptop computer was found in the camp, belonging to the murdered rebel leader Ra�l Reyes on which it is now claimed emails were found naming Hugo Ch�vez as funder and supporter of the FARC. And so, the presstituting goes on, with the US and allied media building a case against Ch�vez, essentially aimed at proving he is a terrorist and an international danger.

Why has it not occurred to Sawtul, or any independent observer to elaborate the theory that actually Ch�vez and Bush are secretly buddies, working together to, let�s say, divide Venezuela into the more easily manageable oil rich autonomous regions and pocket the profits from unregulated oil extraction and trade on the international markets?

Because Ch�vez, as far as we know is not a Shi�ia Muslim.

I just want to make sure everybody understands Sawtul�s motivation: sectarian division between Muslims. It is for this reason that seasoned forum members and many muslims generally find his posts distastefull, unecessary, provocative and counter productive to the general well being and cohabitation of Muslims everywhere. It is for this reason we have serious missgivings about his presence here, since he arrived unwilling to state his identity (only someone afraid of his own identity has any reason not to be truthfull about it on a community forum such as this: a Muslim community forum: here we are all equal and all share a common fundamental ideology � unless of course your intentions are not to maintain the spirit and integrity of the forum � in which case �) The current state of the Muslim ummah is not exactly one of peacefull cohabitation, tolerance and understanding. We can thank the United States for this: since their decision to attack Afghanistan by way of retaliation for the September 11th attacks, they have managed to increase terrorism around the world, they have instigated, armed and trained the population for the ongoing sectarian war in Iraq, and the guerrila war ongoing in Afghanistan, and they are planning exactly the same offensive for Pakistan.

And so we can see how the United States and its lackeys Israel, the U.K, NATO and to a large extent the U.N have made an enemy out of Islam. And how can one best conquer an enemy? One way is to divide and rule. Division. Divide the Muslim Ummah one way or another, revive old sectarian suspicions, maintain an unhealthy and destructive simmering resentment. THAT is what Sawtul�s posts are good for, and THAT is why many of us suspect he is an �agent� for the enemies of Islam.

I call upon the moderators and the Administration of this forum to consider Sawtul�s presence here, in the light of this obvious fact, and question whether or not he should be encouraged or allowed to continue planting his genetically modified seeds of doubt. For those forum members who share the sense of disgust at his constant attacks against Shi�ia, those who share the exasperation at the pointedly obtuse reasoning behind his Iran-U.S.A complicity theory, to simply respond to his posts with the following information: �This forum member is fulfilling the aims of the enemies of Islam.� The more of us who make this response, the less likely he is to continue trolling here.

Peace.



Edited by Duende - 16 May 2008 at 3:36am

As for refuting Whisper, I already made a thread dealing with all his accusations lies and contradictions:

Poor chap! However hard you work people around here have found you out. Not my fault, just plain simple law of natural retribution at play.

Edited by Whisper - 03 May 2008 at 11:08am