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Duende
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Finding the REAL reasons for just about anything that has happened in
the past 50-70 years is far harder than one would think. Sawtul, I seem to remember, was thoroughly caught up by the Illuminati agenda and frequently mentions various secret societies supposedly responsible for this or that inexplicable historical anomaly. Besides these immediately obvious secret societies and their converging agendas, there is a far more menacing and frightening elite group directly responsible for practically every political and social event since the discovery of oil in Texas. Coming to conclusions such as the delusional secret alliance between the US-Iran-Shia, is actually the SIMPLE answer to what is a complex trail of clues left by members of the Bilderberg organisation and the Trilateral Commission. Here's an extract from an interesting paper available at Globalresearch.ca: Imperial Playground: The Story of Iran in Recent History by Andrew G. Marshal In the 70s, the Shah of Iran, which was at the time a secular [non- religious] nation, was stepping up the process of industrializing the country of Iran. At this time, Europe, especially at the behest of Germany and France, was pursuing greater cooperation and integration, and in doing so, created the European Monetary System (EMS), under which the nine European Community member states made the decision to have their central banks work together to align their currencies to one another. This would allow for greater competition between the Anglo-American dominated �petrodollar monetary system� and the rising European Community, which was still feeling the effects of the OPEC oil shock. Part of the agreement between Germany and France was to develop an agreement with OPEC countries in the Middle East to exchange high- technology and equipment for a stable-priced oil supply. The Anglo- Americans saw this as a threat to their hegemony over the oil market, and so, �Carter had unsuccessfully sought to persuade the Schmidt [German] government, under the Carter administration�s new Nuclear Non- Proliferation Act, to abandon export of virtually all nuclear technology to the developing sector, [underdeveloped countries, i.e. Iran] on the false argument that peaceful nuclear plant technology threatened to proliferate nuclear weapons, an argument which uniquely stood to enhance the strategic position of the Anglo-American petroleum-based financial establishment.� This effort to persuade Germany was to no avail, so the Anglo-Americans had to pursue a more drastic policy change. This policy formed when, �In November 1978, President Carter named the Bilderberg group�s George Ball, another member of the Trilateral Commission, to head a special White House Iran task force under the National Security Council�s Brzezinski. Ball recommended that Washington drop support for the Shah of Iran and support the fundamentalist Islamic opposition of Ayatollah Khomeni. Robert Bowie from the CIA was one of the lead �case officers� in the new CIA-led coup against the man their covert actions had placed into power 25 years earlier.� This is further corroborated by author and journalist, Webster Tarpley in his book, George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, in which he stated, �Carter and Brzezinski had deliberately toppled the Shah of Iran, and deliberately installed [Ayatollah] Khomeni in power. This was an integral part of Brzezinski�s �arc of crisis� geopolitical lunacy, another made-in-London artifact which called for the US to support the rise of Khomeni, and his personal brand of fanaticism, a militant heresy within Islam. U.S. arms deliveries were made to Iran during the time of the Shah; during the short-lived Shahpour Bakhtiar government at the end of the Shah�s reign; and continuously after the advent of Khomeni.� The Defense and Foreign Affairs Daily reported in their March 2004 edition that, �In 1978 while the West was deciding to remove His Majesty Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi from the throne, [Ayatollah] Shariatmadari was telling anyone who would listen not to allow �Ayatollah� Ruhollah Khomeini and his velayat faghih (Islamic jurist) version of Islam to be allowed to govern Iran. Ayatollah Shariatmadari noted: �We mullahs will behave like bickering whores in a brothel if we come to power ... and we have no experience on how to run a modern nation so we will destroy Iran and lose all that has been achieved at such great cost and effort�.� This was exactly the point of putting them in power, as it would destabilize an industrializing country, and as William Engdahl further pointed out, �Their scheme was based on a detailed study of the phenomenon of Islamic fundamentalism, as presented by British Islamic expert, Dr. Bernard Lewis, then on assignment at Princeton University in the United States. Lewis� scheme, which was unveiled at the May 1979 Bilderberg meeting in Austria, endorsed the radical Muslim Brotherhood movement behind Khomeni, in order to promote balkanization of the entire Muslim Near East along tribal and religious lines. Lewis argued that the West should encourage autonomous groups such as the Kurds, Armenians, Lebanese Maronites, Ethiopian Copts, Azerbaijani Turks, and so forth. The chaos would spread in what he termed an �Arc of Crisis,� which would spill over into the Muslim regions of the Soviet Union.� Bernard Lewis� concept was also discussed in a 1979 article in Foreign Affairs, the highly influential seasonal journal of international relations put forward by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the pre-eminent policy think tank in the United States, whose leadership and many members also share membership with the Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg Group. The article stated, �The �arc of crisis� has been defined as an area stretching from the Indian subcontinent in the east to the Horn of Africa in the west. The Middle East constitutes its central core. Its strategic position is unequalled: it is the last major region of the Free World directly adjacent to the Soviet Union, it holds in its subsoil about three-fourths of the proven and estimated world oil reserves, and it is the locus [central point] of one of the most intractable conflicts of the twentieth century: that of Zionism versus Arab nationalism. Moreover, national, economic and territorial conflicts are aggravated by the intrusion of religious passions in an area which was the birthplace of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, and by the exposure, in the twentieth century, to two competing appeals of secular modernization: Western and communist,� and further stated, �Against the background of these basic facts, postwar American policy in the Middle East has focused on three major challenges: security of the area as against Soviet threats to its integrity and independence, fair and peaceful resolution of the Arab- Israeli conflict, and safe access to its oil.� - - - - - William Engdahl continued in his examination of the 1979 revolution/ coup in Iran, of which he said, �The coup against the Shah, like that against Mossadeq in 1953, was run by British and American intelligence, with the bombastic American, Brzezinski, taking public �credit� for getting rid of the �corrupt� Shah, while the British characteristically remained in the background. During 1978, negotiations were under way between the Shah�s government and British Petroleum for renewal of the 25-year oil extraction agreement. By October 1978, the talks had collapsed over a British �offer� which demanded exclusive rights to Iran�s future oil output, while refusing to guarantee purchase of the oil. With their dependence on British-controlled export apparently at an end, Iran appeared on the verge of independence in its oil sales policy for the first time since 1953, with eager prospective buyers in Germany, France, Japan and elsewhere.� The strategy was to have �religious discontent against the Shah [which] could be fanned by trained agitators deployed by British and US intelligence,� and so �As Iran�s domestic economic troubles grew [as a result of the British refusing to buy Iranian oil in a strategy of economic pressure], American �security� advisers to the Shah�s Savak secret police implemented a policy of ever more brutal repression, in a manner calculated to maximize popular antipathy to the Shah. At the same time, the Carter administration cynically began protesting abuses of �human rights� under the Shah,� and the strategy even entailed using the BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation), which �gave the Ayatollah Khomeni a full propaganda platform inside Iran during this time. The British government-owned broadcasting organization refused to give the Shah�s government an equal chance to reply.� Further, �during the Christmas season of 1979, one Captain Sivash Setoudeh, an Iranian naval officer and the former Iranian military attach� before the breaking of diplomatic relations between the United States and Iran [in 1979], was arranging arms deliveries to [Ayatollah] Khomeni out of a premises of the US Office of Naval Research in Arlington, Virginia.� With the successful revolution/coup in Iran in 1979, the Shah was exiled to Egypt, and back in the United States, Bilderberg and Trilateral Commission co-founder and international banker David Rockefeller was approached by Princess Ashraf, the sister of the deposed Shah, who was suffering from cancer, and �she was turning for help to the man who ran one of the leading U.S. banks [Chase Manhattan � now, JP Morgan Chase], one which had made a fortune serving as the Shah�s banker for a quarter century and handling billions of dollars in Iran�s assets. Ashraf�s message was straightforward. She wanted Rockefeller to intercede with Jimmy Carter and ask the President to relent on his decision against granting the Shah refuge in the United States,� and further, �The new Iranian government also wanted Chase Manhattan to return Iranian assets, which Rockefeller put at more than $1 billion in 1978, although some estimates ran much higher.� And so, �a public campaign by Rockefeller � along with [Henry] Kissinger and former Chase Manhattan Bank Chairman John McCloy � to find a suitable home in exile for the Shah� was undertaken, and �Rockefeller also pressed the Shah�s case personally with Carter when the opportunity presented itself. On April 9, 1979, at the end of an Oval Office meeting on another topic, Rockefeller handed Carter a one-page memo describing the views of many foreign leaders disturbed by recent U.S. foreign policy actions, including Carter�s treatment of the Shah.� According to a Time Magazine article in 1979, �Kissinger concedes that he then made telephone calls to �three senior officials� and paid two personal visits to [Secretary of State] Vance to argue that a U.S. visa should be granted the Shah. He expressed that view volubly in private conversations with many people, including journalists. He said that the last of his direct pleas was made in July. He and Rockefeller then sought to find asylum elsewhere for the Shah. Rockefeller found a temporary residence in the Bahamas, and Kissinger persuaded the government of Mexico to admit the Shah on a tourist visa.� Eventually their efforts were successful, as it was further revealed, �The late Shah had friends at Chase Manhattan Bank and in the highest echelons of trilateral power. David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger played instrumental roles in arranging the Shah�s exile and shaping US policy toward Iran.� |
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Sawtul Khilafah
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They only pretend to be against the US and Israel, I explained why here: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8924& ;PN=1&TPN=2
Now as you may know, Iran supports, funds and arms both the "Mahdi army" and the "Hezbollah". Hasan Nasrollah leader of "Hezbollah" even said "We are Iran" (meaning they are a part of Iran). Of course Iran also claims greatly to oppose the US and Israel and even calls the USA "The Great Satan"! Now, if you think Im a "conspiracy theorist" read the following: Or it could be said that the drama started in 1981, just after Reagan came into office, when U.S. officials learned that Israel was ignoring the 1979 American ban on the sale of arms to Iran. At the time Iran badly needed spare parts for the American-made weapons it had acquired during the Shah�s reign. In their hour of need the Iranians looked to Israel, which had also supplied weapons to the Shah. |
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Tom123
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LOL!!! The Americans invaded Iraq to make Sadr look good- and the Israelis invaded Lebanon to help Hizbullah- BRILLIANT!!!! You should seriously consider publishing this in MAD magazine or some other similar source! The Mahdi Army is not 'pro-American' and the Hizbullah is not 'pro-Israeli'. The fact is Shia Muslim fighters have inflicted more casualties on Israeli and American invading forces in the Middle East than anyone else. Many Sunni armed groups (like Ansar Al Sunnah or Al Qaeda in Iraq) hate the Jaish Al Mahdi because they are Shias and they see the Shia as heretics. I am not btw a supporter of either the Mahdi Army or Hizbullah or Sunni Iraqi resistance groups, or the American and Iraqi puppet government forces they are battling (when they are not fighting each other). I believe as a Christian that all war and violence today is against Christ's teachings and therefore I am opposed to it. So I am not 'defending' Sadr or Hizballah- like the people they are fighting they too have blood of the innocent on their hands. However, I believe that to accuse Hizballah or Jaish Al Mahdi of being pro-US or pro-Israeli governments is absurd. Why do you hate Shias so much? Aren't they Muslims too? Cristo Vive! - Tomasz |
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Sawtul Khilafah
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Bismillahirrahmaanerraheem According to Abu Omar Baghdadi, the leader of one of the biggest anti-occupation Jihadist groups in Iraq, some of the insurgents (mainly the nationalists and those who have good relations with puppet Arab Governments) have agreed to change sides and actually help the occupation forces and their allies fight the Sunni "extremists", and in return the Americans have promised to help them fight the Shiah "Mahdi Army" of Moqtada al-Sadr. This is very interseting for two reasons. First of all, this shows that the Americans have so far pretty much avoided fighting the "Mahdi Army"... which confirms what I've been saying on this and other threads (despite the "Mahdi Army" being portrayed as an actual resistance group). Secondly, this shows that they are actually trying to go back to the original plan which I mentioned on my first post on this thread. They have told these Sunni insurgents (who are mainly Baathists and nationalists) that if they help America destroy the religious groups (such as al-Qaeda and Ansaar Sunnah) then the Americans would help them fight the Shia "Mahdi Army". I believe the Occupation forces are actually trying to decieve these insurgents, as this is starting to sound a lot like what I predicted on this thread. Let's see what happens if the plan works. First, the religious Sunni groups would be destroyed. Then the Americans and those Iraqi insurgents who helped them would team up against the "Mahdi Army"... Then... as I explained on my first post on this thread, the Americans would have a fake short war with the "Mahdi Army" and other Shias in which they would be "defeated" and would leave Iraq, portraying Sadr and his "Mahdi Army" as the victors and saviours of Iraq. By then, the Sunni groups would have been divided into two groups: 1) The religious (who by then would be destroyed, so they would not be seen as the defeaters of the occupation) 2) The nationalists (who having joined the occupation, would be seen as traitors and agents of the occupation, so they certainly wont be seen as the victors). So at that point, the only group that could take credit for "defeating the occupation" would be Moqtada al-Sadr's "Mahdi Army".
When this plan failed after the rise of nearly 10 powerful Sunni groups, they decided to destroy them and then have the fake war with the "Mahdi Army". This plan didnt go very well either. So now they have come up with a new plan which in the end would give the same results they were hoping to get at the beginning of this war, by taking advantage of the rising enmity between the Sunni Nationalists and Sunni Islamists. |
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Sawtul Khilafah
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When I say something will happen and it happens, it's no longer a "conspiracy theory", it's a conspiracy Fact (remember the "hezbullah or hezbushaytan?" thread).
I didnt say all Shias, but these famous Shia groups that are being funded by Iran ("Hezbullah" "Mahdi Army" and "Badr brigade"). It's obvious that groups who are being funded and armed by Iran and some of whose members are Iranians are willing to unite with Iran. It's common sense.
I Never lied to anyone, but I delibrately didnt fill in my profile properly as I didnt want to be identified (as I've already explained so many times before).
I know about the Hawzas of Iran/Qum and Iraq but I simply dont think that America's invasion of Iraq has anything to do with the minor differences between the Hawzas.
Read my first post on this thread, I DID write about Sistani!
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8744& ; ;PN=3 (Iran's reverse psychology) and http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8924& ; ;PN=2 As for Allawi, he's long gone and I've explained the reason on the first post on this thread. When the Sunni resistance appeared Sadr had to stay back and when the Occupation forces and puppet Government were in trouble, they needed Sadr's help and in order for Sadr to have an excuse to help them they had to replace Allawi with "religious" Shias. But both the "religious" and Allawi are puppets/agents of the Occupation forces and wouldnt last a day without their protection and funding.
Incase you didnt read my posts, I said their original plan FAILED, though they are still trying to go for a similar plan which is for Sadr to unite with Sunni resistance groups (and since Sadr has a huge army, which were left unharmed by the occupation, he would eventually take over Iraq when the occupation forces leave, if the Sunni resistance foolishly agree to unite with him).
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Duende
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It�s easy to cave in to Sawtul�s hate-filled conspiracy theories. His hatred
for Iran and Shi�ites is well recorded and totally blinds him from considering anything NOT motivated by similar sentiments as his own. Even I can see he has a point referring to Iran as the Monafiq, but it would be very short sighted indeed to assume that all Shia were driven by some inexplicable desire to unite with Iran. To believe the similarity of ideology makes for some Pan-Arab Shia nation is politically na�ve. It�s at times like these the spectre of Sawtul�s early lies about his provenance and whereabouts add to the confusion: why does he still proclaim to be in Iran? And if he�s Iranian why does he show such ignorance of the myriad political manouvers behind the scenes? What does he know of the Hawza? Sadr is more politically motivated than religious. He is not as highly regarded in this sphere as Sistani, about whom we hear nothing from Sawtul and his anti-Shia ravings. Isn�t it also possible that Iran is more politically motivated (certainly more than any humanitarian concerns) in its shady manipulation of various players? There is no way America is in �secret� collusion with Iran, who see (rightly so) The Great Satan as its enduring enemy, and the Little Satan (the UK) as its historical enemy. They do not want to see either manifestations of evil on their doorstep, neither do they want to see any hand maidens of the Satan in charge of Iraq. America is the far greater hypocrites, simply biding time before they put in place their preference: Alawi, who will happily oversee the so-called hydrocarbon law everything hinges on. The Americans are waiting for the internal splits between the various Shia factions to begin to manifest themselves. There has never been any plan, guided by Iluminati or involving French governments or anybody else. What�s going on now was impossible to plan, but the outcome the U.S wants is far from the outcome the Iranians want. Both of them are interested in the same thing, when it comes down to it: Iraqi oil deposits, Iranian fields are in decline, therefore Iranian income and geopolitical position is under threat. |
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Sawtul Khilafah
Senior Member ASA/786 After all the yelling you received from other members here, what you have noted in your neighborhood, seems on the money. The problem with Muslims i.e., the Sunnies has been their flawed politically correct approach for longest period. The Shiits have been working all along with the colonial administrations in most countries and have ended up in control while the sunnies who were the original rulers of the colonial territories were kept outside by design. In my personal experience have found them quite experts in duplicity and sycophancy to take advantage of situations. In US they were in the forefront to sponsor Bush's campaign for what ever gains they were looking for. Being a very small minorities, figure what happened in two very important areas like Syria and Pakistan. Edited by Sign*Reader - 23 March 2010 at 5:01pm |
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Sawtul Khilafah
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Bismillahirrahmaanerraheem Here is more confirmation of what I've been saying on this thread: http://www.jamestown.org/news_details.php?news_id=245 Here are some key points in this article:
Notice it says Sadr wants to include Sunnis in the Government if he gains power in Iraq. Remember that I said that Sadr is there to decieve and fool the Sunni Muslims by becoming the "saviour" of Iraq.
But now Sadr is trying to pretend to be a "nationalist" and even an opponent of Iran!!! Even though it is a proven fact that Sadr has been armed and funded by the Iranian Government. Sadr is trying to appear as a nationalist since many Iraqis have realised that Iran has been helping the Occupation forces by sending death squads such as the Badr brigade to Iraq and by openly supporting the New Iraqi Government that was made by the United States. So why is Iran funding and supporting both the "Mahdi army" led by Muqtada al-Sadr, AND the new Iraqi Government and its death squads including the Badr brigade??? The reason is given by Allah in the holy Qur'an: Those who wait for (some misfortune to befall) you then If you have a victory from Allah they say: Were we not with you? And if the disbelievers gain success, they say: Did we not acquire the mastery over you and defend you from the believers? So Allah shall Judge between you on the day of resurrection, and Allah will by no means give the unbelievers a way against the believers. (Qur'an: Surah Nisa: 141) Allah tells us that the Monafiqeen (hypocrites) have TWO plans: 1: Those who wait for (some misfortune to befall) you then If you have a victory from Allah they say: Were we not with you? 2:And if the disbelievers gain success, they say: Did we not acquire the mastery over you and defend you from the believers? The Iranian Government are Monafiq (hypocrites) and that is why they have EXACTLY the two plans - which is why they are supporting both Sadr and the "New Iraqi Government". If the resistance win, Sadr is going to come up and claim that he was part of the resistance and helping the Sunnis, so that he can gain power and decieve the true Muslims (Sunnis). He would call for "unity" and claim he has nothing against Sunnis (even though his group have been assassinating Sunni Mujahideen and even secretly helping the occupation as I've proven on my earlier posts on this thread. And if the Occupation forces manage to destroy the Sunni resistance now, the New Iraqi Govenment and Badr brigade will continue ruling over Iraq and Sadr would then say to them: Did we not acquire the mastery over you and defend you from the believers? (Remember that as Ive mentioned on my first post on this thread, it was reported that Sadrs' forces were DEFENDING occupation forces in southern Iraq from the Sunni resistance!!!). Remember that both Sadr and the new Iraqi Govenment are Shiahs. They have the same ideology as Iran, they are both supported, funded and armed by Iran. The reason why they seem to have very different plans is that Iran is trying to create a win-win situation so that if the resistance are defeated, Shiahs would control Iraq, and if the resistance win, again Shiahs would take over Iraq (both Shiah groups having the same ideology as the Shiah Iranian Government!) So these are their two plans. These two plans are the plans of the Monafiqeen, the hypocrites. These are the two plans of the Iranian Government and the Illuminatiwho control the Shiah Mullahs. The original plan was that there would be absolutely no significant Sunni resistance. This plan failed due to Sunni and Salafi groups such as Tawhid Wal-Jihad, Islamic Army of Iraq and Ansar Sunnah. When this happened, the planners (Iran, USA, France and other Illuminati Governments) had two choices left... and those are the two I've mentioned above (which Allah subahana Ta'ala foretold in the holy Qur'an).
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