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Finding the REAL reasons for just about anything that has happened in
the past 50-70 years is far harder than one would think.

Sawtul, I seem to remember, was thoroughly caught up by the Illuminati
agenda and frequently mentions various secret societies supposedly
responsible for this or that inexplicable historical anomaly. Besides these
immediately obvious secret societies and their converging agendas, there
is a far more menacing and frightening elite group directly responsible
for practically every political and social event since the discovery of oil in
Texas.

Coming to conclusions such as the delusional secret alliance between the
US-Iran-Shia, is actually the SIMPLE answer to what is a complex trail of
clues left by members of the Bilderberg organisation and the Trilateral
Commission.

Here's an extract from an interesting paper available at Globalresearch.ca:
Imperial Playground: The Story of Iran in Recent History

by Andrew G. Marshal

     In the 70s, the Shah of Iran, which was at the time a secular [non-
religious] nation, was stepping up the process of industrializing the
country of Iran. At this time, Europe, especially at the behest of Germany
and France, was pursuing greater cooperation and integration, and in
doing so, created the European Monetary System (EMS), under which the
nine European Community member states made the decision to have their
central banks work together to align their currencies to one another. This
would allow for greater competition between the Anglo-American
dominated �petrodollar monetary system� and the rising European
Community, which was still feeling the effects of the OPEC oil shock. Part
of the agreement between Germany and France was to develop an
agreement with OPEC countries in the Middle East to exchange high-
technology and equipment for a stable-priced oil supply. The Anglo-
Americans saw this as a threat to their hegemony over the oil market, and
so, �Carter had unsuccessfully sought to persuade the Schmidt [German]
government, under the Carter administration�s new Nuclear Non-
Proliferation Act, to abandon export of virtually all nuclear technology to
the developing sector, [underdeveloped countries, i.e. Iran] on the false
argument that peaceful nuclear plant technology threatened to proliferate
nuclear weapons, an argument which uniquely stood to enhance the
strategic position of the Anglo-American petroleum-based financial
establishment.� This effort to persuade Germany was to no avail, so the
Anglo-Americans had to pursue a more drastic policy change.

      This policy formed when, �In November 1978, President Carter named
the Bilderberg group�s George Ball, another member of the Trilateral
Commission, to head a special White House Iran task force under the
National Security Council�s Brzezinski. Ball recommended that Washington
drop support for the Shah of Iran and support the fundamentalist Islamic
opposition of Ayatollah Khomeni. Robert Bowie from the CIA was one of
the lead �case officers� in the new CIA-led coup against the man their
covert actions had placed into power 25 years earlier.� This is further
corroborated by author and journalist, Webster Tarpley in his book,
George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, in which he stated, �Carter
and Brzezinski had deliberately toppled the Shah of Iran, and deliberately
installed [Ayatollah] Khomeni in power. This was an integral part of
Brzezinski�s �arc of crisis� geopolitical lunacy, another made-in-London
artifact which called for the US to support the rise of Khomeni, and his
personal brand of fanaticism, a militant heresy within Islam. U.S. arms
deliveries were made to Iran during the time of the Shah; during the
short-lived Shahpour Bakhtiar government at the end of the Shah�s reign;
and continuously after the advent of Khomeni.� The Defense and Foreign
Affairs Daily reported in their March 2004 edition that, �In 1978 while the
West was deciding to remove His Majesty Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi
from the throne, [Ayatollah] Shariatmadari was telling anyone who would
listen not to allow �Ayatollah� Ruhollah Khomeini and his velayat faghih
(Islamic jurist) version of Islam to be allowed to govern Iran. Ayatollah
Shariatmadari noted: �We mullahs will behave like bickering whores in a
brothel if we come to power ... and we have no experience on how to run
a modern nation so we will destroy Iran and lose all that has been
achieved at such great cost and effort�.� This was exactly the point of
putting them in power, as it would destabilize an industrializing country,
and as William Engdahl further pointed out, �Their scheme was based on
a detailed study of the phenomenon of Islamic fundamentalism, as
presented by British Islamic expert, Dr. Bernard Lewis, then on
assignment at Princeton University in the United States. Lewis� scheme,
which was unveiled at the May 1979 Bilderberg meeting in Austria,
endorsed the radical Muslim Brotherhood movement behind Khomeni, in
order to promote balkanization of the entire Muslim Near East along tribal
and religious lines. Lewis argued that the West should encourage
autonomous groups such as the Kurds, Armenians, Lebanese Maronites,
Ethiopian Copts, Azerbaijani Turks, and so forth. The chaos would spread
in what he termed an �Arc of Crisis,� which would spill over into the
Muslim regions of the Soviet Union.�

      Bernard Lewis� concept was also discussed in a 1979 article in Foreign
Affairs, the highly influential seasonal journal of international relations
put forward by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the pre-eminent
policy think tank in the United States, whose leadership and many
members also share membership with the Trilateral Commission and
Bilderberg Group. The article stated, �The �arc of crisis� has been defined
as an area stretching from the Indian subcontinent in the east to the Horn
of Africa in the west. The Middle East constitutes its central core. Its
strategic position is unequalled: it is the last major region of the Free
World directly adjacent to the Soviet Union, it holds in its subsoil about
three-fourths of the proven and estimated world oil reserves, and it is the
locus [central point] of one of the most intractable conflicts of the
twentieth century: that of Zionism versus Arab nationalism. Moreover,
national, economic and territorial conflicts are aggravated by the
intrusion of religious passions in an area which was the birthplace of
Judaism, Christianity and Islam, and by the exposure, in the twentieth
century, to two competing appeals of secular modernization: Western and
communist,� and further stated, �Against the background of these basic
facts, postwar American policy in the Middle East has focused on three
major challenges: security of the area as against Soviet threats to its
integrity and independence, fair and peaceful resolution of the Arab-
Israeli conflict, and safe access to its oil.�

- - - - -

William Engdahl continued in his examination of the 1979 revolution/
coup in Iran, of which he said, �The coup against the Shah, like that
against Mossadeq in 1953, was run by British and American intelligence,
with the bombastic American, Brzezinski, taking public �credit� for getting
rid of the �corrupt� Shah, while the British characteristically remained in
the background. During 1978, negotiations were under way between the
Shah�s government and British Petroleum for renewal of the 25-year oil
extraction agreement. By October 1978, the talks had collapsed over a
British �offer� which demanded exclusive rights to Iran�s future oil output,
while refusing to guarantee purchase of the oil. With their dependence on
British-controlled export apparently at an end, Iran appeared on the
verge of independence in its oil sales policy for the first time since 1953,
with eager prospective buyers in Germany, France, Japan and elsewhere.�
The strategy was to have �religious discontent against the Shah [which]
could be fanned by trained agitators deployed by British and US
intelligence,� and so �As Iran�s domestic economic troubles grew [as a
result of the British refusing to buy Iranian oil in a strategy of economic
pressure], American �security� advisers to the Shah�s Savak secret police
implemented a policy of ever more brutal repression, in a manner
calculated to maximize popular antipathy to the Shah. At the same time,
the Carter administration cynically began protesting abuses of �human
rights� under the Shah,� and the strategy even entailed using the BBC
(British Broadcasting Corporation), which �gave the Ayatollah Khomeni a
full propaganda platform inside Iran during this time. The British
government-owned broadcasting organization refused to give the Shah�s
government an equal chance to reply.� Further, �during the Christmas
season of 1979, one Captain Sivash Setoudeh, an Iranian naval officer and
the former Iranian military attach� before the breaking of diplomatic
relations between the United States and Iran [in 1979], was arranging
arms deliveries to [Ayatollah] Khomeni out of a premises of the US Office
of Naval Research in Arlington, Virginia.�

      With the successful revolution/coup in Iran in 1979, the Shah was
exiled to Egypt, and back in the United States, Bilderberg and Trilateral
Commission co-founder and international banker David Rockefeller was
approached by Princess Ashraf, the sister of the deposed Shah, who was
suffering from cancer, and �she was turning for help to the man who ran
one of the leading U.S. banks [Chase Manhattan � now, JP Morgan Chase],
one which had made a fortune serving as the Shah�s banker for a quarter
century and handling billions of dollars in Iran�s assets. Ashraf�s message
was straightforward. She wanted Rockefeller to intercede with Jimmy
Carter and ask the President to relent on his decision against granting the
Shah refuge in the United States,� and further, �The new Iranian
government also wanted Chase Manhattan to return Iranian assets, which
Rockefeller put at more than $1 billion in 1978, although some estimates
ran much higher.� And so, �a public campaign by Rockefeller � along with
[Henry] Kissinger and former Chase Manhattan Bank Chairman John
McCloy � to find a suitable home in exile for the Shah� was undertaken,
and �Rockefeller also pressed the Shah�s case personally with Carter when
the opportunity presented itself. On April 9, 1979, at the end of an Oval
Office meeting on another topic, Rockefeller handed Carter a one-page
memo describing the views of many foreign leaders disturbed by recent
U.S. foreign policy actions, including Carter�s treatment of the Shah.�
According to a Time Magazine article in 1979, �Kissinger concedes that
he then made telephone calls to �three senior officials� and paid two
personal visits to [Secretary of State] Vance to argue that a U.S. visa
should be granted the Shah. He expressed that view volubly in private
conversations with many people, including journalists. He said that the
last of his direct pleas was made in July. He and Rockefeller then sought
to find asylum elsewhere for the Shah. Rockefeller found a temporary
residence in the Bahamas, and Kissinger persuaded the government of
Mexico to admit the Shah on a tourist visa.� Eventually their efforts were
successful, as it was further revealed, �The late Shah had friends at Chase
Manhattan Bank and in the highest echelons of trilateral power. David
Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger played instrumental roles in arranging
the Shah�s exile and shaping US policy toward Iran.�
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Originally posted by Tom123 Tom123 wrote:

 
   LOL!!! The Americans invaded Iraq to make Sadr look good- and the Israelis invaded Lebanon to help Hizbullah- BRILLIANT!!!!

   You should seriously consider publishing this in MAD magazine or some other similar source! The Mahdi Army is not 'pro-American' and the Hizbullah is not 'pro-Israeli'. The fact is Shia Muslim fighters have inflicted more casualties on Israeli and American invading forces in the Middle East than anyone else. Many Sunni armed groups (like Ansar Al Sunnah or Al Qaeda in Iraq) hate the Jaish Al Mahdi because they are Shias and they see the Shia as heretics.

   I am not btw a supporter of either the Mahdi Army or Hizbullah or Sunni Iraqi resistance groups, or the American and Iraqi puppet government forces they are battling (when they are not fighting each other).

I believe as a Christian that all war and violence today is against Christ's teachings and therefore I am opposed to it. So I am not 'defending' Sadr or Hizballah- like the people they are fighting they too have blood of the innocent on their hands.

   However, I believe that to accuse Hizballah or Jaish Al Mahdi of being pro-US or pro-Israeli governments is absurd.  

They only pretend to be against the US and Israel, I explained why here:

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8924& ;PN=1&TPN=2

Originally posted by Sawtul Khilafah Sawtul Khilafah wrote:

 

As you may well know, the Western Governments have always been planning against Muslim countries, they created Israel and are now making war after war.

They knew very well that Muslims will want to fight back and they wont just sit there while all this was going on, so they came up with a very clever plan, which was to create forces around whom religious Muslims and those who want to do something about these wars would gather.

They knew that so long as they control the leaders of these groups/Governments, they would not Truely harm them in any way and would only carry out limited attacks and just use words and words and words the rest of the time to fool people into thinking that they are serious, while in reality these fakes would actually be helping the West and actually fighting against the real enemies of the Western occupation by simply accusing any real group that does not join them of being "agents of the west" or "agents of Israel".

However, this could only succeed through Shiism as it is they who believe in Taqlid (blinding obeying their scholars) so this plan could only work well on the Shiahs (also because Shiism is closely linked to western secret societies :  http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9460& ; ;PN=3)

Therefor, they first tried to portray Sunnis as pathetic, careless cowards and in order to do this they gave power to those in Sunni countries who were willing to openly obey the western Superpowers.

It was then that they created their fake Islamic Government in Iran and the so called "Hezbollah". Iran and "Hezbollah" have helped increase the popularity and conversion to Shiism and Iran has been publishing hundreds if not thousands of books propagating Shiism. In these books you will often see that they claim that Shiism is "heroic" while Sunnis are "Pathetic" and if anyone wants to be on the "heroes" side they would have to become Shiahs (the "victory" of "Hezbollah" in 1982 was meant to portray Shiism as just that - also Iran in 1979 became the only "Islamic fundementalist" country in the world, thus Shiism became the hope for those Muslims who cared about their Ummah.)

After 1982, the "Hezbollah" did very little (practically nothing) except propagate Shiism and promote themselves as the "heroic saviours of Islam", however after so many years it was required to once again remind people of the supposed "heorism" of the Shiah "Hezbollah" so then there was this recent war, the outcome of which I actually predicted during the early days of the war!!!

Here's the link: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6007& ; ;PN=16&TPN=1

If you look at Sadr and "Hezbollah", one thing that they have in common is that they love "ceasefires" or "peace negotiations".

Now there is nothing wrong with making peace....but making peace in the middle of a war and while the occupation still continues simply does not make sense, but all FAKE groups do that. They first rise up and become popular, once enough people have joined and have become very famous they suddenly sit back and relax!!

On the other hand when you look at REAL resistance groups, such as the Chechen Mujahideen and the Sunni resistance groups in Iraq (examples: Ansar Sunnah, Tawhid wal-Jihad, Jayshal Islami fel Iraq) they continue to fight so long as there is war and occupation, killing thousands of enemy soldiers and themselves losing many of their men and leaders.

They continue to fight until they either win, or lose, something that imposters would not do because they dont want to win (they dont want to destroy their masters) and they dont want to lose (they are not willing to sacrifice their lives and obviously if they are destroyed the whole plan would be ruined).

Also read my post on this link (the long one with the picture, scroll down): http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6007& ; ;PN=16&TPN=12

 

Now as you may know, Iran supports, funds and arms both the "Mahdi army" and the "Hezbollah". Hasan Nasrollah leader of "Hezbollah" even said "We are Iran" (meaning they are a part of Iran).

Of course Iran also claims greatly to oppose the US and Israel and even calls the USA "The Great Satan"!

Now, if you think Im a "conspiracy theorist" read the following:

Or it could be said that the drama started in 1981, just after Reagan came into office, when U.S. officials learned that Israel was ignoring the 1979 American ban on the sale of arms to Iran. At the time Iran badly needed spare parts for the American-made weapons it had acquired during the Shah�s reign. In their hour of need the Iranians looked to Israel, which had also supplied weapons to the Shah.
The Israelis reportedly set up Swiss bank accounts to handle the financial end of the deals. Despite its embargo, the U.S. appeared to look the other way. Administration officials seemed interested in Israel�s notion that the arms sales would help foster ties with leaders in the Iranian military�
�In late August, Israel sent a planeload of arms to Iran. The cargo consisted mostly of Soviet-made weapons that the Israelis had captured in Lebanon�
In the fall of 1985 Iran was presumably making payments to Israel through the Swiss bank accounts set up to handle Israeli-Iranian arms sales in the early 1980s. At the same time, Israel was demanding that the U.S. replace the items that had been taken from Israeli stockpiles and sold to the Iranians. But Washington reportedly grew suspicious about the finances. In asking for fresh weapons, Israeli officials claimed that they could not pay full price, but Washington suspected that Iran was paying the Israeli dealers far more than the arms were actually worth. The U.S. urged Israeli officials to drop the arms merchants from the Iran deal and allow Jerusalem to take over the operation�
Israel sold Iran $12 million worth of weapons at a price that included a markup as high as 250%, or $42 million�

Source: TIME Magazine Article, (http://www.time.com/time/europe/tim...n/ir861208.html)
TIME Archives:
http://www.time.com/time/archive/pr...,963021,00.html
time-proxy.yaga.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,963021,00.h tml
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Reagan would wait and disclose his intentions in private. So it was with the disputed decision in August 1985 to condone arms sales by Israel to Iran. �He called and said, �I think we ought to get on with that. Let�s go ahead with that,� McFarlane told the commission.
Source: MSNBC Article,
(http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5165237/site/newsweek/)
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The book �The Iran Contra Connection� discusses the relationship between Iran and Israel:
The Israeli Interest in Iran
� Though Israel, along with the United States, suffered a grievous loss with the fall of the Shah, its leaders concluded that lasting geo-political interests would eventually triumph over religious ideology and produce an accommodation between Tel Aviv and Tehran. The onset of the Iran-Iraq war in 1980 gave Israeli leaders a special incentive to keep their door open to the Islamic rulers in Iran: the two non-Arab countries now shared a common Arab enemy. As Israeli Defense Minister Ariel Sharon told the Washington Post in May 1982, justifying Israeli arms sales to Tehran, ��we hope that diplomatic relations between us and Iran will be renewed as in the past.� Four months later he told a Paris press conference, �Israel has a vital interest in the continuing of the war in the Persian Gulf, and in Iran�s victory.� Such views were not Sharon�s alone; Prime Ministers Itzhak Shamir (Likud) and Shimon Peres (Labor) shared them too�
The Arms Channel Opens
Israel lost no time supplying the new Khomeini regime with small quantities of arms, even after the seizure of the U.S. embassy. The first sales included spare parts for U.S.-made F-4 Phantom jets; a later deal in October 1980 included parts for U.S.-made tanks�
Notes Ha�aretz correspondent Yo�av Karny �The cloak of secrecy that surrounds Israeli arms exports is so tight that one can compare it to the technique for smuggling hard drugs.� When caught in the act, Israeli officials maintained they were simply selling domestic arms, not embargoed U.S. weapons. �Whenever we would get word of shipments,� one American official explained, �the State Department would raise the issue with Israel, and we would get the standard lecture and promises that there were no U.S. weapons involved.�
�[The Israelis] signed a deal with Iran�s Ministry of National Defense to sell $135,842,000 worth of arms, including Lance missiles, Copperhead shells and Hawk missiles�
In November 1981, Israeli Defense Minister Sharon visited Washington, shopping for approval of similar arms sales [to Iran]. His U S. counterpart Caspar Weinberger, flatly turned him down. Sharon then went to Haig, hoping for acquiescence from the State Department. Again, McFarlane handled many of the discussions with Sharon and Kimche; this time Haig unequivocally opposed any violation of the embargo.
Yet as in 1979-80, Israel pursued its policy anyway, in flat violation of its arms re-export agreements with the Pentagon. In a May 1982 interview with the Washington Post, Sharon claimed that Israeli shipments had been cleared �with our American colleagues� months earlier and that details of all the shipments were supplied to the administration. Later that year, Israel�s ambassador Moshe Arens declared that Israel�s arms sales were cleared at �almost the highest levels� in Washington�
And those shipments would continue to be enormous in size, estimated by experts at the Jaffee Institute for Strategic Studies in Tel Aviv at $500 million in value from 1980-83. Other arms market experts have put the total value at more than $500 million a year, including aircraft parts, artillery and ammunition.

(Source: p.169, �Irangate: The Israel Connection� excerpted from the book The Iran Contra Connection by Johnathan Marshall and Peter Dale Scott, South End Press, 1987, paper)
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After the Revolution, Iranians continued to buy arms from the United States using Israeli, European, and Latin American intermediaries to place orders, despite the official United States embargo. Israeli sales, for example, were recorded as early as 1979. On several occasions, attempted arms sales to Iran have been thwarted by law enforcement operations or broker-initiated leaks. One operation set up by the United States Department of Justice foiled the shipment of more than US$2 billion of United States weapons to Iran from Israel and other foreign countries. The material included 18 F-4 fighter-bombers, 46 skyhawk fighter-bombers, and nearly 4,000 missiles. But while the department of Justice was attempting to prevent arms sales to Iran, senior officials in the administration of President Ronald Reagan admitted that 2,008 TOW missiles and 235 parts kits for Hawk missiles had been sent to Iran via Israel.
Despite official denials, it is believed that Israel has been a supplier of weapons and spare parts for Iran�s American-made arsenal. Reports indicate that an initial order for 250 retread tires for F-4 Phantom jets was delivered in 1979 for about US$27 million. Since that time, unverified reports have alleged that Israel agreed to sell Iran Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, radar equipment, mortar and machinegun ammunition, field telephones, M-60 tank engines and artillery shells, and spare parts for C-130 transport planes
Source: Global Security Article
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/milit.../iran/intro.htm)

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Originally posted by Sawtul Khilafah Sawtul Khilafah wrote:

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So why did the USA invade Iraq ? Was it for oil ? Or was it a conspiracy similair to the Hezbushaytan conspiracy in Lebanon ?

The US did not invade Iraq for oil. Infact they have spent billions of dollars on this war and the most they could get out of Iraq's oil is to get their money back.

The truth is that just as Israel invaded Lebanon to make Hezbushaytan look like heroes, the US actually invaded Iraq to make Muqtada al-Sadr the hero of Iraq.

This time however, since Saddam's Government was destroyed by the US, Moqtada al-Sadr was actually meant to take over Iraq. This is why we see that the mainstream Media (which is controled by the same people who control the Governments) spoke against the war and so many controled oppositions and fake leftists were against this war...

The war on Afghanistan is silenced down by the media and the fake left who lead and set up the main protests pretty much ignore Afghanistan, concentrating almost entirely on Iraq instead.

We also saw how the Abu Ghurayb torture pictures came out and were spread in all the mainstream newspapers and the TV. These are the same newspapers and TV channels who censor 99% of the truth about world events and who cover up much of the crimes of the western Governments. But for some reason everyone suddenly seemed to turn against the Iraq war, including the fat cats and the members of secret societies and even the mainstream media.

We also saw how the US Government accused Iraq of having WMDs, but when they couldnt find any, they actually said so !

This is the same Government who covered up what really happened on 9/11. After the WTC attacks, the US Government immediately blamed the attacks on Al-Qaeda, and after Osama bin Laden denied responsiblity for the attacks the Government made numerous fake videos and audio tapes and all sorts of fake evidence to try and convince people that bin Laden was responsible for the attacks.

But again, when it came to Iraq, things were different. The US politicians just came out and admitted that they have found no WMDs, thus delibrately making the war unpopular.

Bush also accused Saddam of involvement in 9/11, but strange he later denied it. But why did he deny it ? If he had lied in the first place, why didnt he continue lying? If he had no evidence in the first place, why didnt he continue lying without any evidence ? Or could it be that he delibrately wants to be seen as a liar, thus making the Iraq war and the US right wing more unpopular.

The truth is that the US knew from day one that Iraq had no WMDs. Even Collin Powell admitted this when he first came to office. And the real question is, why was the US worried about Iraq's alleged Chemical and Biological bombs, when Iran was allegedly making NUCLEAR bombs ???

Surely Nuclear weapons should be a bigger concern... but strangely the US and the western media only turned their eyes towards Iran AFTER it was made clear to the whole world that Iraq did not have WMDs.

In other words, now that the US accuses Iran of making WMDs no one believes them because they had already lied about Iraq.

But the real question is Why didnt they invade Iran before Iraq ? This is while Iran is SUPPOSEDLY USA's biggest enemy in the middle east, and while Saddam was USA's former ally.

Iran was also a neighbour of Afghanistan, making it easier for the US to move it's forces from Iran to Afghanistan and from Afghanistan to Iran.

Now the media is trying to decieve us into thinking that the US wanted to invade Iran After Iraq... some going as far as claiming that the US wanted to "surround" Iran from the east and the west. This is rediculous though because it would have been much easier for the US to invade Iran in the first place, or at least right after Afghanistan.

No, the truth is something else. The US didnt invade Iran because they dont even want to invade Iran, and infact, as I have explained on another thread, Iran and USA are secretly working together:

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7785& ; ;PN=1&TPN=1

Now consider that the US and Iran are only pretending to be enemies and then we can think about the real reason why the US invaded Iraq.

If you have a good memory, you may remember that when the US first invaded Iraq, a Shiah cleric by the name of Moqtada al-Sadr showed up, who claimed to have risen up to fight against the invaders and free Iraq.

The media suddenly concentrated on him, even though he and his forces had done very little and had killed very few if any American soldiers.

Moqtada al-Sadr's army, which he calls "the Mahdi Army", were seen as a serious force to be reckoned with... they were seen to be the "Hizbullah" of Iraq. Infact, they are closely allied to "Hezbullah" (Hezbushaytan) and they constantly praise Hasan Nasrallah.

I have no doubt that Moqtada al-Sadr was meant to be the Nasrallah of Iraq. In other words, the plan was that he would rise up against the US, and the US would then leave all of a sudden. Sadr would then be seen as the hero and saviour of Iraq, and with Saddam gone, he would take over Iraq and eventually hand it over to Iran.

This is why Ayad Allawi was at first installed as the president of Iraq. Although Allawi was born into a Shiah family he was not seen as a Shiah as he did not practice his religion in any way. He was seen as just another US puppet, and this was done to make the US occupation even more unpopular and increase support for Sadr.

This is also why the real number of American soldiers killed is not reported. Ofcourse in most wars Governments try to claim that fewer soldiers have been kill than the enemy claims, however in this war the USA has been minimising the casualty reports like no other. The Army of Rashideen (Jaysharrashedeen, one of the Islamic yet nationalist resistance groups in Iraq) made a documentary where they gave examples of how the US casualties were not reported, and even when the resistance filmed their attacks the mainstream media (and even aljazeera) tried their best not to tell the truth about the number of dead Americans. As an example there was one attack where the Army of Rashideen themselves killed 4 Americans, but the western media and even alJazeera claimed that only 1 soldier was killed !!

The resistance groups such as the Army of Rashideen claim that over 30,000 American soldiers have actually been killed and they see the numbers given by the US Government as a joke. In their documentary film the Army of Rashideen put forward an intresting question. They asked Bush how is he going to cover up so many deaths ? They found this cover up very strange as the US is actually claiming the number of American soldiers killed to be less than 10% than what it really is.

So why is this happening ? And why also does the mainstream media seem to completely ignore Afghanistan and hardly ever report the American casualties there ? Many people in the west are actually under the impression that very little is going on in Afghanistan, this is while American soldiers themselves say that the war in Afghanistan is far more serious and far deadlier than the war in Iraq.

What's happening is again part of the conspiracy. The US Government would eventually have to report the true number of casualties, or at least they would have to reveal more than 10%, but they have planned to do this only after Sadr rises up. In other words they plan that when Sadr rises up they would suddenly claim that 20 or 30 thousand American troops have been killed - supposedly all of them by Sadr's "Mahdi Army". Then when people in the west hear of this there would be an uproar and bigger protests. Bush would then have an excuse to pull out of Iraq, making it seem as if Sadr and his Army have suddenly risen up and gained an amazing victory.

The US would then claim that those American soldiers who were really killed in Afghanistan were actually transfered to Iraq and were killed there by the "mahdi army" ! The tens of thousands of soldiers who have been killed by al-Qaeda, Ansar Sunnah, Army of Rashideen and other Sunni resistance groups would all be attributed to Sadr.

In other words the plan is that Sadr and his army would rise up after the defeat of the Sunni resistance. Then the western Media and the Governments would claim that the "Mahdi Army" have gained amazing victories and have killed thousands of American soldiers in a short while, when in reality there would be very little real fighting.

The US would then pull out of Iraq, supposedly defeated by the Moqtada al-Sadr.

 

However one thing happened which the US was not predicting, and that wasthat religious Sunni Muslims formed their own groups which turned out to be far more powerfull than Sadr's "Mahdi army", even though the "Mahdi army" had more members.

Ofcourse the US knew very well that Sunnis are going to rise up, what they didnt predict was that they would be so strong and would hold up such a great resistance.

At first the US just tried to destroy these Sunni "insurgents" but their own forces suffered instead. The conspirators who had planned these wars were now terrified because if these Sunnis managed to defeat the US then they would be seen as the heroes of Iraq and all their plans would be ruined.

So then we saw how the Government of Iraq was changed and made to look more religious and Shiah clerics were included in the Government. The New Iraqi Government then became popular among many Shiahs in Iraq and so more people joined the "Iraqi National Army".

Now the US forces didnt have to worry about the Sunni "insurgents" defeating them, because the National Army were there to take some of the casualties.

In order to encourage more people to join the National Army, the US and the New Iraqi Government bombed civilian areas, murdering men women and children, and then blaming it on the Sunni "insurgents", especially al-Qaeda.

However, even al-Qaeda denied these charges but ofcourse their voice is hardly ever heard. The Shiah clerics such as "Ayatullah" Ali Sistani and even the Iranian Government repeated the lie of the Americans and the New Iraqi Government, accusing so called "Sunni extremists" and al-Qaeda for these attacks on mosques and schools.

Sistani even went as far as calling upon his followers to join the National Army to fight the "terrorists" and so many more people joined the National Army seeking to take "revenge" from the Sunnis "insurgency".

Things were now going well for the conspirators, but the Sunni "insurgents" had taken over some of the key locations in Iraq including Fallujah.

The conspirators wanted to completely destroy the Sunni "insurgents" and they were not willing to take any chances so they bombed Fallujah and other areas controled by Sunni resistance groups without mercy. They even use illegal Chemical bombs including White Phosphorus. These bombs killed off entire peoples and compltely destroyed some areas. Thousands and thousands of Sunni civilians were killed in these bombings which were meant to completely finish off the Sunni resistance and give way to Moqtada al-Sadr's "Mahdi army".

But instead of being annihilated, the "insurgents"/resistance simply went underground, as explained by the leader of Jaysh ar-Raashideen (one of the main resistance groups). He stated that afterwards the resistance became even stronged and harder to fight because now the US didnt know where they are while the resistance knew where the Americans are.

And so the Sunni resistance continued and Sadr was forced to tell his forces to stop fighting the Americans, and this is why: If you study what Moqtada al-Sadr has been doing, u will see that he has been constantly calling upon his followers to stop fighting the occupation. Every time his forces go into a battle with the Americans or the British or the Government, he immediately calls for a ceasefire.

Most of his followers have no idea what is going on. He is actually telling them to stop fighting because he wants the Americans to get rid of the Sunni resistance first. When their job is done, he is meant to come out and play the part of the hero.

However it was not enough for him to convince his followers not to fight the occupation, he even went as far as calling upon his followers to help the occupation!!! This he claimed was to fight against the "bigger enemy" which was al-Qaeda !!! This was because now the Government was handed over to religious Shiahs, so Sadr could claim that he is defending "Muslims" from "Nasibis" ("Nasibi" is a term Shiahs use against Sunnis whenever they want to fight against them).

The "Mahdi Army" then teamed up with the Iraqi National Army, fighting against the Sunni resistance groups !! They even protected the British forces in Basrah as reported by Peter Oborne in his documentary (Iraq Reckoning).

So what kind of "resistance force" are they ??? If you look at what these guys have been up to for the past 3 or 4 years, you will be amazed to see that the mainstream media still trie to portray them as an "insurgency" and how Moqtada al-Sadr still talks big as if he is USA's main enemy, when in reality he has been helping the occupation.

Strangely, Moqtada al-Sadr cant decide wether he supports the New Iraqi Government or not. One day he joins his forces with them, the next day he talks big about bringing down the Government.

The reason why he looks so st**id now is that he has been waiting for too long, and this is because the Americans have failed to destroy the Sunni resistance. He is meant to be an anti-Government anti-occupation religious hero, but his actions have proven the opposite.

He is still lying in wait for the time when his illuminati/Rosicrucian masters tell him to rise up against the occupation. Now that a religious Shiah government has been installed in Iraq part of the plan is already accomplished, except that the conspirators didnt want shiahs to look like American puppets, which is why they have kept Sadr.

But just incase the Sunni resistance continues to stand tall, they are going to have to stay content with a pro-American, yet "religious" Shiah Government (So long as Iran is allied to them, and so long as Iran is seen as a religious anti-American Government, the New Iraqi Government could also hope to be portrayed as anti-American one day. In other words they can later pretend to have sided with Iran rather than the USA, when in reality they have always been working with both Iran and the USA).

During the past few years many Sunni resistance groups have grown suspicious of Sadr. Some have even found proof that his men were working secretly with the Americans. No not just Al-Qaeda, but other Sunni resistance groups like Ansar-Sunnah and Jaysha Abi Bakr have arrested and executed close friends of Moqtada al-Sadr and high ranks in the "Mahdi Army", who were seen working closely with the Americans.

Also the leader of the Islamic Army of Iraq stated in an interview with al-Jazeera that the "Mahdi Army" should decide which side they are on (as they are sometimes working with the occupation).

The Ansar Sunnah also made a documentary film where they showed how the Americans attacked certain areas, destroyed every single household, except the Shiah ones.

In one particular village, there was one Shiah family living among many Sunni families. All Sunni families in that area were killed off by the Americans, but the Shiah family and their house were left untouched!! The Americans are obviously working for the same people who control Sadr, which is why they are ordered to destroy the Sunni population of Iraq thus increasing the Shiah percentage and thus giving the majority of Iraqis only two choices: New Iraqi Government or Sadr.

 

Recently Sadr has been trying to win over support by pretending to be a nationalist and thuse portraying himself as an opponent of Iran !!! Nothing can be further from the truth. Most if not all of Sadr's weapons have been given to him by Iran and infact Iran is even sending men to Iraq to join the "mahdi army" and also the pro-American "Badr brigade". The Sunni resistance group Ansar Sunnah even captured an Iranian member of Sadr's army after fighting and defeating a group of fighters from the "Mahdi army". The Iranian hostage had even been given equipment by Iran and was sent to Iraq by the Iranian Government itself.

As time is passing by the plans of the Kuffar are being exposed, because as Allah Subhana Ta'ala says:

 

"Although they plan, Allah also plans. And Allah is the Best of Planners." [Holy Qur'an 8:30]



   LOL!!! The Americans invaded Iraq to make Sadr look good- and the Israelis invaded Lebanon to help Hizbullah- BRILLIANT!!!!

   You should seriously consider publishing this in MAD magazine or some other similar source! The Mahdi Army is not 'pro-American' and the Hizbullah is not 'pro-Israeli'. The fact is Shia Muslim fighters have inflicted more casualties on Israeli and American invading forces in the Middle East than anyone else. Many Sunni armed groups (like Ansar Al Sunnah or Al Qaeda in Iraq) hate the Jaish Al Mahdi because they are Shias and they see the Shia as heretics.

   I am not btw a supporter of either the Mahdi Army or Hizbullah or Sunni Iraqi resistance groups, or the American and Iraqi puppet government forces they are battling (when they are not fighting each other).

I believe as a Christian that all war and violence today is against Christ's teachings and therefore I am opposed to it. So I am not 'defending' Sadr or Hizballah- like the people they are fighting they too have blood of the innocent on their hands.

   However, I believe that to accuse Hizballah or Jaish Al Mahdi of being pro-US or pro-Israeli governments is absurd.

   Why do you hate Shias so much? Aren't they Muslims too?

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Bismillahirrahmaanerraheem

According to Abu Omar Baghdadi, the leader of one of the biggest anti-occupation Jihadist groups in Iraq, some of the insurgents (mainly the nationalists and those who have good relations with puppet Arab Governments) have agreed to change sides and actually help the occupation forces and their allies fight the Sunni "extremists", and in return the Americans have promised to help them fight the Shiah "Mahdi Army" of Moqtada al-Sadr.

This is very interseting for two reasons. First of all, this shows that the Americans have so far pretty much avoided fighting the "Mahdi Army"... which confirms what I've been saying on this and other threads (despite the "Mahdi Army" being portrayed as an actual resistance group).

Secondly, this shows that they are actually trying to go back to the original plan which I mentioned on my first post on this thread.

They have told these Sunni insurgents (who are mainly Baathists and nationalists) that if they help America destroy the religious groups (such as al-Qaeda and Ansaar Sunnah) then the Americans would help them fight the Shia "Mahdi Army".

I believe the Occupation forces are actually trying to decieve these insurgents, as this is starting to sound a lot like what I predicted on this thread.

Let's see what happens if the plan works. First, the religious Sunni groups would be destroyed. Then the Americans and those Iraqi insurgents who helped them would team up against the "Mahdi Army"...

Then... as I explained on my first post on this thread, the Americans would have a fake short war with the "Mahdi Army" and other Shias in which they would be "defeated" and would leave Iraq, portraying Sadr and his "Mahdi Army" as the victors and saviours of Iraq.

By then, the Sunni groups would have been divided into two groups:

1) The religious (who by then would be destroyed, so they would not be seen as the defeaters of the occupation)

2) The nationalists (who having joined the occupation, would be seen as traitors and agents of the occupation, so they certainly wont be seen as the victors).

So at that point, the only group that could take credit for "defeating the occupation" would be Moqtada al-Sadr's "Mahdi Army".


As I explained in great detail on my first post on this thread, the original plan was that there would be no significant Sunni resistance.

When this plan failed after the rise of nearly 10 powerful Sunni groups, they decided to destroy them and then have the fake war with the "Mahdi Army". This plan didnt go very well either.

So now they have come up with a new plan which in the end would give the same results they were hoping to get at the beginning of this war, by taking advantage of the rising enmity between the Sunni Nationalists and Sunni Islamists.

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Originally posted by Duende Duende wrote:

It�s easy to cave in to Sawtul�s hate-filled conspiracy theories. 

When I say something will happen and it happens, it's no longer a "conspiracy theory", it's a conspiracy Fact (remember the "hezbullah or hezbushaytan?" thread).

Originally posted by Duende Duende wrote:



Even I can see he has a point referring to Iran as the Monafiq, but it would
be very short sighted indeed to assume that all Shia were driven by some
inexplicable desire to unite with Iran. To believe the similarity of ideology
makes for some Pan-Arab Shia nation is politically na�ve.

I didnt say all Shias, but these famous Shia groups that are being funded by Iran ("Hezbullah" "Mahdi Army" and "Badr brigade"). It's obvious that groups who are being funded and armed by Iran and some of whose members are Iranians are willing to unite with Iran. It's common sense.

Originally posted by Duende Duende wrote:



It�s at times like these the spectre of Sawtul�s early lies about his
provenance and whereabouts add to the confusion:

I Never lied to anyone, but I delibrately didnt fill in my profile properly as I didnt want to be identified (as I've already explained so many times before).

Originally posted by Duende Duende wrote:

And if he�s Iranian why does he show such
ignorance of the myriad political manouvers behind the scenes? What
does he know of the Hawza?

I know about the Hawzas of Iran/Qum and Iraq but I simply dont think that America's invasion of Iraq has anything to do with the minor differences between the Hawzas. 

Originally posted by Duende Duende wrote:



Sadr is more politically motivated than religious. He is not as highly
regarded in this sphere as Sistani, about whom we hear nothing from
Sawtul and his anti-Shia ravings. 

Read my first post on this thread, I DID write about Sistani!

Originally posted by Duende Duende wrote:


There is no way America is in �secret� collusion with Iran, who see (rightly
so) The Great Satan as its enduring enemy, and the Little Satan (the UK) as
its historical enemy. They do not want to see either manifestations of evil
on their doorstep, neither do they want to see any hand maidens of the
Satan in charge of Iraq. America is the far greater hypocrites, simply
biding time before they put in place their preference: Alawi, who will
happily oversee the so-called hydrocarbon law everything hinges on.
 

  http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8744& ; ;PN=3 (Iran's reverse psychology) and http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8924& ; ;PN=2 

As for Allawi, he's long gone and I've explained the reason on the first post on this thread. When the Sunni resistance appeared Sadr had to stay back and when the Occupation forces and puppet Government were in trouble, they needed Sadr's help and in order for Sadr to have an excuse to help them they had to replace Allawi with "religious" Shias. But both the "religious" and Allawi are puppets/agents of the Occupation forces and wouldnt last a day without their protection and funding.

Originally posted by Duende Duende wrote:



 There has never been any plan,
guided by Iluminati or involving French governments or anybody else.
What�s going on now was impossible to plan,

Incase you didnt read my posts, I said their original plan FAILED, though they are still trying to go for a similar plan which is for Sadr to unite with Sunni resistance groups (and since Sadr has a huge army, which were left unharmed by the occupation, he would eventually take over Iraq when the occupation forces leave, if the Sunni resistance foolishly agree to unite with him).

 



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It�s easy to cave in to Sawtul�s hate-filled conspiracy theories. His hatred
for Iran and Shi�ites is well recorded and totally blinds him from
considering anything NOT motivated by similar sentiments as his own.

Even I can see he has a point referring to Iran as the Monafiq, but it would
be very short sighted indeed to assume that all Shia were driven by some
inexplicable desire to unite with Iran. To believe the similarity of ideology
makes for some Pan-Arab Shia nation is politically na�ve.

It�s at times like these the spectre of Sawtul�s early lies about his
provenance and whereabouts add to the confusion: why does he still
proclaim to be in Iran? And if he�s Iranian why does he show such
ignorance of the myriad political manouvers behind the scenes? What
does he know of the Hawza?

Sadr is more politically motivated than religious. He is not as highly
regarded in this sphere as Sistani, about whom we hear nothing from
Sawtul and his anti-Shia ravings. Isn�t it also possible that Iran is more
politically motivated (certainly more than any humanitarian concerns) in
its shady manipulation of various players?

There is no way America is in �secret� collusion with Iran, who see (rightly
so) The Great Satan as its enduring enemy, and the Little Satan (the UK) as
its historical enemy. They do not want to see either manifestations of evil
on their doorstep, neither do they want to see any hand maidens of the
Satan in charge of Iraq. America is the far greater hypocrites, simply
biding time before they put in place their preference: Alawi, who will
happily oversee the so-called hydrocarbon law everything hinges on.

The Americans are waiting for the internal splits between the various Shia
factions to begin to manifest themselves. There has never been any plan,
guided by Iluminati or involving French governments or anybody else.
What�s going on now was impossible to plan, but the outcome the U.S
wants is far from the outcome the Iranians want. Both of them are
interested in the same thing, when it comes down to it: Iraqi oil deposits,
Iranian fields are in decline, therefore Iranian income and geopolitical
position is under threat.
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After all the yelling you received from other members here, what you have noted in your neighborhood, seems on the money. The problem with Muslims i.e., the Sunnies has been their flawed politically correct approach for longest period. The Shiits have been working all along with the colonial administrations in most countries and have ended up in control while the sunnies who were the original rulers of the colonial territories were kept outside by design.
In my personal experience have found them quite experts in duplicity and sycophancy to take advantage of situations. In US they were in the forefront to sponsor Bush's campaign for what ever gains they were looking for.
Being a very small minorities, figure what happened in two very important areas like Syria and Pakistan.



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Bismillahirrahmaanerraheem

Here is more confirmation of what I've been saying on this thread:

http://www.jamestown.org/news_details.php?news_id=245

Here are some key points in this article:

Originally posted by wrote:

As splintered political factions, such as the Sadrists, seek to form a new coalition made up of Sunni parties, formerly exiled Shiite groups like Da'wa and the SIIC are facing new challenges in maintaining a dominant political bloc in Baghdad. Moqtada al-Sadr's call to create a "reform and reconciliation project," which would also include Sunnis, is a radical departure from his sectarian base which was formed with the United Iraqi Alliance (UIA) and under the spiritual leadership of Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani in 2004

Notice it says Sadr wants to include Sunnis in the Government if he gains power in Iraq. Remember that I said that Sadr is there to decieve and fool the Sunni Muslims by becoming the "saviour" of Iraq.

Originally posted by wrote:

On entering Iraq after more than 20 years of exile in Iran in 2003, al-Hakim witnessed the rise of a major Shiite political rival, a young cleric named Moqtada al-Sadr, who would publicly question his bravery and Iraqi credentials for not only failing to stand up to Saddam, but also for being a foreign agent backed by the Iranian government.

But now Sadr is trying to pretend to be a "nationalist" and even an opponent of Iran!!! Even though it is a proven fact that Sadr has been armed and funded by the Iranian Government.

 Sadr is trying to appear as a nationalist since many Iraqis have realised that Iran has been helping the Occupation forces by sending death squads such as the Badr brigade to Iraq and by openly supporting the New Iraqi Government that was made by the United States.

So why is Iran funding and supporting both the "Mahdi army" led by Muqtada al-Sadr, AND the new Iraqi Government and its death squads including the Badr brigade???

The reason is given by Allah in the holy Qur'an:

Those who wait for (some misfortune to befall) you then If you have a victory from Allah they say: Were we not with you? And if the disbelievers gain success, they say: Did we not acquire the mastery over you and defend you from the believers?

So Allah shall Judge between you on the day of resurrection, and Allah will by no means give the unbelievers a way against the believers.

(Qur'an: Surah Nisa: 141)

Allah tells us that the Monafiqeen (hypocrites) have TWO plans:

1: Those who wait for (some misfortune to befall) you then If you have a victory from Allah they say: Were we not with you?

2:And if the disbelievers gain success, they say: Did we not acquire the mastery over you and defend you from the believers?

The Iranian Government are Monafiq (hypocrites) and that is why they have EXACTLY the two plans - which is why they are supporting both Sadr and the "New Iraqi Government".

If the resistance win, Sadr is going to come up and claim that he was part of the resistance and helping the Sunnis, so that he can gain power and decieve the true Muslims (Sunnis). He would call for "unity" and claim he has nothing against Sunnis (even though his group have been assassinating Sunni Mujahideen and even secretly helping the occupation as I've proven on my earlier posts on this thread.

And if the Occupation forces manage to destroy the Sunni resistance now, the New Iraqi Govenment and Badr brigade will continue ruling over Iraq and Sadr would then say to them: Did we not acquire the mastery over you and defend you from the believers?  (Remember that as Ive mentioned on my first post on this thread, it was reported that Sadrs' forces were DEFENDING occupation forces in southern Iraq from the Sunni resistance!!!).

Remember that both Sadr and the new Iraqi Govenment are Shiahs. They have the same ideology as Iran, they are both supported, funded and armed by Iran. The reason why they seem to have very different plans is that Iran is trying to create a win-win situation so that if the resistance are defeated, Shiahs would control Iraq, and if the resistance win, again Shiahs would take over Iraq (both Shiah groups having the same ideology as the Shiah Iranian Government!)

So these are their two plans. These two plans are the plans of the Monafiqeen, the hypocrites. These are the two plans of the Iranian Government and the Illuminatiwho control the Shiah Mullahs.

The original plan was that there would be absolutely no significant Sunni resistance. This plan failed due to Sunni and Salafi groups such as Tawhid Wal-Jihad, Islamic Army of Iraq and Ansar Sunnah.

When this happened, the planners (Iran, USA, France and other Illuminati Governments) had two choices left... and those are the two I've mentioned above (which Allah subahana Ta'ala foretold in the holy Qur'an).


 



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