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Whisper 
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 Posted: 11 January 2007 at 7:17am |
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Whisper: Thanks for your contribution. Thank you very kind, Sir, now can we all jump to the next semester? yawn . . . yawn . . . snore . . . snore |
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DavidC
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Posted: 11 January 2007 at 2:19pm |
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Wow...five stars from Whisper to an American Christian...who said there is no Santa Claus in Islam?
 7672171 - where did that funny handle come from? Welcome aboard. It was Gabriel that declared Muhammad to be the seal of the prophets, and the Qur'an is explicit in that no prophet is better than any other. I don't know what the 'point' of Muhammad's ministry was supposed to be, but I do know that the Christianities around him were considered heretical by the Orthodox and Roman churches. I doubt the Ebionites were Trinitarian though, and disputing the Trinity |
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Whisper
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Posted: 11 January 2007 at 3:03pm |
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Wow...five stars from Whisper to an American Christian...who said there is no Santa Claus in Islam? My friend, always had the fondest for Christians all my life. I won't bore with the reasons. But I have lead mass at Lahore Cathedral, in my early years. |
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BMZ
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Posted: 11 January 2007 at 4:41pm |
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Whisper, If I could I would make DavidC and Servetus have 6 Stars. Their brilliant comments always come at the right time. The time when we cannot think of a crisp, prompt and short response. |
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Posted: 11 January 2007 at 5:14pm |
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"Every good deed is charity whether you come to your brother's assistance or just greet him with a smile.
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Mauri
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Posted: 11 January 2007 at 5:55pm |
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DavidC: Muhammad did not fail in delivering his message. If you think his
mission was to 'disprove' the Trinity, I think you are missing the
point entirely.
I agree. God does everything well. The problem is that man sees a little bit, jumps to a conclusion, and lands in the wrong place, than attributes failure to the prophet and/or God and starts looking for someone to blame....and 9 times out of 10 finds someone who differs in opinion to lay it on. Hadith has evidence that Nestorian and Ebionite Christianities were familiar to Muhammad. These heretical Christianities were persecuted by the mainstream Christians but were protected by Muhammad if they paid a civil tax. Yes. It is human nature to feel threatened by those who disagree. That tends to lead to pre-emptive attack. And, it usually has to do with money....values. There's always someone who wants to be richer (more righteous) than others and always someone who is afraid of losing what they have. Ironically, the one who insists on being more righteous makes himself unrighteous by virtue of insisting on his righteousness at the expense of others And, the one who really has some truth, understanding and wisdom cannot lose it. Giving it away (sharing with others) only increases/strengthens what he already has. When we practice reasoning with others, our own reasoning improves. The validity of an opinion is only as sound as the reasoning that supports it. People who do not prove their opinions with sound reasoning are just guessing. "And if you obey the majority of those on earth they will lead you astray; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess" (Quran 6:116) The Quran constantly appeals to reason. Muhammad was more accepting of his Christian neighbors than they were of accepting each other, Yes. Conversely, the gentiles were more accepting of Jesus than the Jews. Until I came here, I thought all Muslims were accepted by all Muslims. I was corrected on another thread when I asked about a certain sect of Muslims, so I was somewhat better prepared when I read that the Iraqi leader said that Saddam was not a Muslim. Edited by Mauri |
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Andalus
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Posted: 11 January 2007 at 11:18pm |
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1) At the time of the 6th century, Christians were still divided on the issue. Hence, the "original Christian teachings" would not be a single school of thought. 2) The Trinity is an idea that has been established through the use of "implicit" verses that fit the "assumptions" founded by the church fathers who were trying to bring together their various ideas and beliefs about Jesus, his mission, his nature, and the resurrection.. 3) The trinity has been disproven for Muslims, as a belief in a trinitarian god and being a Muslim are mutually exclusive.
Complex question, (this means you have buried an unproven assumption in your question), which is a logical fallacy. Your statement, "Seemingly he has failed in his endeavours" uses the very ambiguous word, "seemingly", this is pretty much useless unless you can clarify. Also, "failed in his endeavours", please show which endeavours he failed at (specific exmaples). I am not privy to any failure he has made. Hope this helps. |
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amah
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Posted: 12 January 2007 at 12:34am |
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I totally agree here. |
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Allah is Sufficient as a Walee (Protector) and Allah is Sufficient as a Naseer (Helper).
(Surah An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #45) |
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