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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 July 2008 at 10:28pm
Originally posted by Sign*Reader Sign*Reader wrote:

Originally posted by H3OO H3OO wrote:

this is what i hate so much about todays socalled muslims. i mean they should learn to give some respect to the people of different believes and their prophets. if someone say something bad about islam and prophet (PBUH), just look at their anger and their barbaric behavior but they forget that they do the same thing too.

i have heard many muslims saying that they never badmouth prophets of other religions . i would like to tell them that the reason isnt bcz  they are very pure from inside, its just bcz they are  the believers of their prophets too (Hazrat Esa, Mussa 'es'). if they didnt believed them to be their prophets ,  they would have been doing the same thing aswell. the example is clear in qadianis case, since MUSLIMS dont believe ( in what Question- In Mriza's prophethood!)so i ve seen majority of muslims  using foul language about them  and their prophet which surley prophet (PBUH) didnt teach us.

It seems you are struggling to equate Mirza of Qadian  with Prophets like Jesus and Moses! The fact remains well informed and educated Muslim would know better who were the prophets of God! and surely Mirza didn't belong in that company.

He was plain lucky that he was born in Brit's ruled India and it is no secret what advantages he and his group attained for their  treasonous activities in already weakened Ummah!
I am sure that the Prophet or his sahabas would have ordered the elimination the likes of Musailama!
 




but what u are failing to understand is that even if we believe that he is not true but he still remains their (ahmadis) prophet so its on us to respect them whether we believe or not.
otherwise  we are making valid, all the criticism that Christians make of prophet(pbuh). remember that its us who consider prophet (pbuh) true and not the Christians and jews

for Christians and jews prophet (pbuh) is the same as hazrat mirza Ghulam Ahmad is for the muslims. u understand that. its very simple.

if we dont consider him true , it doesnt mean we should start disrespecting him otherwise jews and christians will  also have same reasons for badmouthing our prophet (pbuh) since they also dont consider him ture too and so then muslims shouldnt complain and go on about how they dont call others prophets bad bcz they do.

i've been repetitive just to make my point clear.

God himself said dont badmouth others GODs otherwise they will badmouth ur GOD (though ahmadis believe in all the the prophets that we believe in so they wouldnt  badmouth any of ours)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 July 2008 at 12:31am
Originally posted by H3OO H3OO wrote:

Originally posted by Sign*Reader Sign*Reader wrote:

Originally posted by H3OO H3OO wrote:

this is what i hate so much about todays socalled muslims. i mean they should learn to give some respect to the people of different believes and their prophets. if someone say something bad about islam and prophet (PBUH), just look at their anger and their barbaric behavior but they forget that they do the same thing too.

i have heard many muslims saying that they never badmouth prophets of other religions . i would like to tell them that the reason isnt bcz  they are very pure from inside, its just bcz they are  the believers of their prophets too (Hazrat Esa, Mussa 'es'). if they didnt believed them to be their prophets ,  they would have been doing the same thing aswell. the example is clear in qadianis case, since MUSLIMS dont believe ( in what Question- In Mriza's prophethood!)so i ve seen majority of muslims  using foul language about them  and their prophet which surley prophet (PBUH) didnt teach us.

It seems you are struggling to equate Mirza of Qadian  with Prophets like Jesus and Moses! The fact remains well informed and educated Muslim would know better who were the prophets of God! and surely Mirza didn't belong in that company.

He was plain lucky that he was born in Brit's ruled India and it is no secret what advantages he and his group attained for their  treasonous activities in already weakened Ummah!
I am sure that the Prophet or his sahabas would have ordered the elimination the likes of Musailama!
 




but what u are failing to understand is that even if we believe that he is not true but he still remains their (ahmadis) prophet so its on us to respect them whether we believe or not.
otherwise  we are making valid, all the criticism that Christians make of prophet(pbuh). remember that its us who consider prophet (pbuh) true and not the Christians and jews

for Christians and jews prophet (pbuh) is the same as hazrat mirza Ghulam Ahmad is for the muslims. u understand that. its very simple.

if we dont consider him true , it doesnt mean we should start disrespecting him otherwise jews and christians will  also have same reasons for badmouthing our prophet (pbuh) since they also dont consider him ture too and so then muslims shouldnt complain and go on about how they dont call others prophets bad bcz they do.

i've been repetitive just to make my point clear.

God himself said dont badmouth others GODs otherwise they will badmouth ur GOD (though ahmadis believe in all the the prophets that we believe in so they wouldnt  badmouth any of ours)

WE don't need to worry about Jews & Xtians cuz Allah has given direction how to deal with them in Quran and also their prophets are our prophets so can't bad mouth, it is quite clear!
But in case of Ahmedis your thinking is totally juvenile! They hijacked Quran and you can't understand! You want to do whatever with  Ahmedis and their prophet but you won't find any takers on this site!
I don't think there can be any further discussion on the subject..........................so long!
Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 July 2008 at 3:49am
if we dont consider him true , it doesnt mean we should start disrespecting him otherwise jews and christians will also have same reasons for badmouthing our prophet (pbuh) since they also dont consider him ture too and so then muslims shouldnt complain and go on about how they dont call others prophets bad bcz they do.

I think, we should also accept our friends Hamid Karzai and Pejo Musharaf with the deepest of respect as they are also carved and gifted to us by our White Hall and White House friends, exactly like the 3 Great Prophets the Brits had carved around the Qachar wars.

And, around the same time Charles Napier had also carve His Royal Highness the Aga Khan with a �2000 a year pension - just for double crossing the Jam saheb of Karachi.

The silly Afghans are brutes, not as fine natured (I mean apologetic and the kind trying to appease every one in our pobre mundo!) as you happen to be, they rounded him up and hung him by a dried up tree.

Kindly behave with all these plastic Nabis and Prophets the way you wish. Kindly, just don't bore us out of our breath. I have lived in Model Town (Lahore) too long to have known all their Khalifain too closely, personally, to know their reality.

Good luck!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 July 2008 at 4:14am
i guess my point is very clear and simple and doesnt take much
to understand, ofcourse if one wants to.

that is that if ahmedis prophet being an imposter or plastic
is the major reason for us muslims insulting him, calling him bad names
then we are also opening the way for nonmuslims to say rubbish about our own prophet(pbuh) too bcz we must not forgot they also consider our prophet (pbuh) (nauzubillah)  plastic too.
for them he isnt true either. so the thing is that if they dont consider him true , does that mean they should start calling
him names?, ofcourse not,

 they should respect our believes whether they consider him(pbuh) true or not, so similarly its on us to respect others too. thats what allah taught us.

Edited by H3OO - 13 July 2008 at 8:56pm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 July 2008 at 11:50pm
My friend, I love your attitude, but fail to follow in your footsteps. I also fail to understand how will Allah Kareem be hurt by whatever anyone or even everyone calls him???????

Now listen sit up and just listen to me with just a few iotas of attention. My grandfather was from a long line and exceptionally respected man of Knowledge. We have our own little community with 28 schools (across India, Pakistan & Afghanistan) and a 500 acres university now completing in Sargodha. When your nabi claimed nabuwat, my grandfather challenged and invited him for a MUNAZARA. He never showed up though the Ahmedis put a CONTRACT on my grandfather's head.

What a nabi like act!

I have had the pleasure of having tea with Sir Chaudhary Zafarulla Khan in an exclusive one plus two situation. What a personality and what a delight. Chaudhary saheb's knighthood was actually offered to Janab Hazrat Mirza Saheb. It was refused when the qadianis realised that this won't go down well with the masses.

Just imagine! The first ever knighted Nabi in the entire history of mankind. If you know the British Honours system at all, you will understand that it is for SERVICES RENDERED. My only reservation about good old Iqbal is the Sir attached to his name. Otherwise, I do love most of his poetry.

Punjab is the most fertile region in the world when it comes to fresh starts. The Punjabi will accept anything and everything. This is the reason for the growth of this sect or whatever you may wish to call it. I have often thought of starting one myself, specially, with these modern means of communications, but I have been held back by the Real Allah Kareem.

I fail to understand what gaads scare you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 July 2008 at 3:16am
 
 Whisper is a very useful person whose grand tried a dual with the zilli Nabi (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian).. That Mirza sahib had written about 82 books on religious subjets in Urdu and Persian and Arabic.
 
 Now it would be necessary to know the name of the grand and matter will be easily decided. Never mind Mirza sahib declined the request of the grand to a dual. Let us know the identity of the grand father of whisper now, please. Because that could be history. He seems to be such an important person.
 
 The knighthood was not given to any one by the British just for nothing. It was given for being peaceful and capable, rational and reasonable. It is clear that the British would not grant knighthood to any warring type Pathan.
 
 If the Punjabi soil is fertile for the claimants of prophethood then the recent Afghan soil is known for being the opponents for such people. Even though in the past, the Afghan people had gone through many conversions. basically they were the Jews who had migrated and run away from the tyranny of some Iraqi king.
 
 I feel that H300 is right in suggesting that no one should try to abuse any one. Otherwise his own beloved persons will be abused by any one.
 
 In the end, I may point out that topic is "Who are the Ahmadis Muslims?"
 
 If I know something about them then I can only define them as follows:
 
 1. They are the faction of Muslims who believe that Jesus son of Mary has died a natural death at the age of about 120 years. They also believe that he survived the  incident at the cross and later migrated to the eastern countries, Iran, Afghanistan and Punjab (Pothohar), Kashmir. And died there in Kashmir.
 
 2. They believe that simple type of Wahi, which is not anything new to be added in the Quran, is still being granted to the beloved people of Allah, to the Saints (Aulia Allah).
 
 In order to combat the Ahmadis, it is necessary to disprove that:
 
 1. Jesus is dead now.
 2. That there is no news from the unseen (Ghaib) now. i.e. Mubashraat.
 
 So please prove from the Quran and Hadith that Jesus is still alive. He has not passed away. Also prove that Allah does not talk to any one now. He is quiet.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 July 2008 at 5:49am
My most loved Minuteman

I am most pleased to find your actual identity after all these months of confusion that you create with your assertions that the Brits can never be wrong and are involved in nada but just acts!!

Kindly, don't worry about me or my grandfather. We are both absolutely fine, he in his grand mazaar and I here in Manchester.

I loved your slightly terse tone. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings. You can call our God whatever you feel like, it won't dent Him in any way.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 July 2008 at 12:43am
i dont think its fair to show this much hatred towards them. i do believe they are a part of islam, one can call them another sect of islam and who knows they might end up to be correct one. they do accept and follow prophet pbuh and believe in him being the seal of prophets. its just that their interpretation is a little different.
study quran. pray 5 times, pay zakat, fast during ramzan, perform haj,
propagate the teachings of islam, infact they follow all the pillars of islam
what more is required.

one can really compare this hatred that muslims show towards the ahmedis and their prophet with the one that kafirs showed towards
Hazrat Munhammed pbuh during his life and islam.


 so that does make me think that its totally unjust bcz we went through the same thing and now we are doing the same to others which Allah will surely not be approve off.
thats why history  is always there to learn from but ofcourse we dont want to. but i will, inshallah  

Dont accept but  atleast listen to their claims from ahmadi brothers themselves, from their books and websites and not from what our muslim scholars have written about them in their own books. bcz they will always be bias/impartial as they dont accept them. we should study their books and only then we'll get to know the reality. what we do is that we listen to our own scholars, read their descrption/articles regarding ahmedis, ask about ahmedis from our fellow nonahmedi brothers.we just accept it blindly without thinking of the possibility that they can be wrong too.
Just tell me what else are we going to  expect from them except a bias response.
its just like u ask a christian or jew to tell about prophet pbuh. ofocurse they are not going to praise him and tell the truth but will always speak against him. we should learn from such examples bcz remember our scholars arent prophets or khalifas of God who will always be right. theyre ordinary humans like all of us and thus can be wrong big time.

 In the end if they (ahmadis) turn out to be right one, it will  only be  us  to be blamed bcz we never tried to use our minds.

Edited by H3OO - 16 July 2008 at 12:49am
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