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    Posted: 16 December 2006 at 4:24pm
Maryah, people think you're a py at your local masjid because you have blue eyes? HMMM that is unfortunate.
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Assalaamualaikum,

Taalib19 I have moved your post:

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7885

If you wish to discuss your "school of thought", please post there and not in this thread. Stick to the topic here.

Wassalaam



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Bismillah irrahman irrahim

Assalamu alaikum

No need to say sorry for your view about me, its just a view , Anyway i dint say there is no racism or prejudice in muslim ummah, i said problem is deeper than that. Brother this is symptoms of a problem not a problem itself. The problem is our straying away from ture path. Love in the heart of a mu'min for his Lord and His believing servants is due to blessing of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala. That is for loving and caring and knowing everything for sake of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala. If we have not got that much of obedience of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala left in us, how we going to get a product of that love?

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Assalaamu alaikum:

Yes there is prejudice amongst the Muslim Ummah:

I believe it is of cultural origin, not a product of Islam.

I am ignored at the American masjid because I have blue eyes and those who do not know me fear I am a "spy"

That is silly since I was originally born a Muslim even though unpracticing for many years!

The Ummah is the handiwork of Allah (swt), the All Knowing, the Wise.

It is as a quilt of many colors, textures, and varieties all blended into one.

Made one by the Creator, made imperfect by notions and ideas of the descendants of Adam.

We need to put aside our prejudices and preconceived notions about one another and serve Allah as one.

This does not mean hiding in fear because you feel that you may come to harm.

Sisters, go to a food kitchen that is near you and help them serve the holiday dinner to the poor homeless and downtrodden:

Do it in hijab.

I challenge the brothers to do it in a Kufi hat, tell the world, yes, we muslims are charitable, we care about others other than ourselves.

Maybe you brothers would then understand what it is like for the sisters who believe it is part of their deen to wear hijab and do it in spite of the persecution and prejudice.

Remember the person who in the civil rights movement refused to move to the back of the bus, the one who was as if a "shot was heard around the world"?

Rosa Parks. African American. A WOMAN.

She did it by example. Not by flowery prose and speeches. She did it by an action.

And became one of the most celebrated women in the history of the US.

We women at our masjid now have the right to gather behind the men in the prayer assembly because we stood up and said "no more' to locking us off in a stuffy room where we could not be seen.

It was Khadija, (may Allah be pleased with her) that proposed marriage to the Prophet (pbuh), and was his greatest support during the revealing of the Qur'an.

May Allah(swt) guide us in our deen, and may we do that which honors Him best!

 



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Originally posted by Taalib19 Taalib19 wrote:

Originally posted by amah amah wrote:

Originally posted by Taalib19 Taalib19 wrote:



A war has forever, been going on with the Pale Arabs vs. Dark skinned people of which the Prophit Muhammad himself was. His family was totally sought after and killed by these same professors of the faith.

Are you saying that the Prophet sallahu alayhi wassalaam was dark skinned??? Your reference?

 The first Khalifah Abu Bakr was chosen because of wealth and being a Pale Arab.

You are wrong.... he was chosen by the companions because they knew that the  prophet himself wished this (though he never said it in words).

So before we go painting a picture of how beautiful Islam is we should recognize these facts.

Islam is beautiful, racism has no place in islam, if some muslims are racists, then they are going beyond the boudaries of islam.

 A war has been going on for centuries against people of color. If you ask a Pale Arab the origin of Muhammad (pbuh) he will deny his true origin and say it does not matter just like a Christian does with Jesus. My question is if you are so true to the faith then why lie about its origin? Or for that matter the origin of those that are responsible for it?

Perhaps envy is the real culprit here and like it says in Suratul Faatihaa they wish to deceive.

Could you elaborate what is written in surah fatiha? I didnt quite get you here..

So let's really get our "Diyn," in order and not just the parts we feel comfortable with for a Muslim can also be a "Coverer of the Truth."

correction: not a muslim...a hypocrite is.



Taalib19===Yes, he was for he was a decendant of Adam who was made of the mud of the earth. Suratul Alaq. He was also from the tribe of the Quaraish who were decendants of Ishmael the Oldest son of Abraham by Abraham's second wife Hagar.
Signreader===You are Taalib not us, great discovery you would think
As far as the Khalifah... it was  to be Ali not Abu bakr. Ali was later killed while making prayer and his sons were also hunted down and killed.
You need to know that nobody will entertain this balderdash with Shiit polemics.
This happens to be a Sunni board.

 He did not say it in words because he did not wish it to be so. That is a Sunni muslim analogy.
You need to go back and learn how to communicate coherently.  You are making absolutely no sense!
They (Sunni's) were later deceived by Musaylimat
What is this Musaylimat stuff?
who was an enemy of the Prophet and  had proposed to the Prophet (pbuh) that they share the throne of Islam. Musaylimat later targeted the sahaaba of the Prophet who had committed the Quraan to memory to kill them and elininate Allahs message. This is why the Quraan was later compiled to save it from being destroyed.
What are you talking about?
Islam is our way of life and a religion to those who do not know its true history and those who wish to deceive. It was not something that the  Prophet  Muhammad (pbuh) started but decended from Abraham. That is why Muhammad (pbuh) is known as the "Seal," of the Prophets for Islam was in the beginning.
   Furthermore if Islam is so beautiful why not admit the true ethnicity of the Prophets.
This is such a moronic statement! What ethnicity of the Prophets has to do the beauty of Islam?
Allah says in Quran
49:13 O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
 This topic always seems to be silenced, especially by Pale Arabs and Europeans alike.
What are these pale Arabs you are hung up on?
Of course the Europeans in general don't want a religion like Islam and particularly coming in the family of Ishmaeli(read Paul's rantings in NT)

Do you deny that the current dispute between the Sunni and Shite goes back to who the true Khalifah of the Prophet (pbuh) was?
This argument just can't change the facts on the  ground by turning back the clock. We know who the true Khalifas  were, Shias who are still looking for the lost Imam few hundred years gone by

 Did not Aisha daughter of Abu Bakr despise Ali for he had questioned her honor to the Prophet when she returned from being lost in the desert accompanied back by another man?
Let me say simply this that the evil in the hearts of Shias will get them no where which is good by making such statements cuz
of the sign which Allah sent in Aisha's(r) honor
Al-Nour (The Light)

24:11 Those who brought forward the lie are a body among yourselves: think it not to be an evil to you; On the contrary it is good for you: to every man among them (will come the punishment) of the sin that he earned, and to him who took on himself the lead among them, will be a penalty grievous.

If you continue to harp on this incident, you will be getting your part of the punishment from Allah subhana, so do this at your own peril. If you are not under the influence of Shaitan you will see the truth in  Al-Nour and not live in Jahilia. 

Was Abu Bakr not a Pale Arab and wealthy?
Yes AbuBakr(r) was wealthy before Islam and he gave away all his wealth to The Prophet(p) for Islam, and what is this pale thing you are on?

You need help in your wandering but I am afraid this is not the right place!



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Originally posted by amah amah wrote:

Originally posted by Taalib19 Taalib19 wrote:

Jenni

A war has forever, been going on with the Pale Arabs vs. Dark skinned people of which the Prophit Muhammad himself was. His family was totally sought after and killed by these same professors of the faith.

Are you saying that the Prophet sallahu alayhi wassalaam was dark skinned??? Your reference?

 The first Khalifah Abu Bakr was chosen because of wealth and being a Pale Arab.

You are wrong.... he was chosen by the companions because they knew that the  prophet himself wished this (though he never said it in words).

So before we go painting a picture of how beautiful Islam is we should recognize these facts.

Islam is beautiful, racism has no place in islam, if some muslims are racists, then they are going beyond the boudaries of islam.

 A war has been going on for centuries against people of color. If you ask a Pale Arab the origin of Muhammad (pbuh) he will deny his true origin and say it does not matter just like a Christian does with Jesus. My question is if you are so true to the faith then why lie about its origin? Or for that matter the origin of those that are responsible for it?

Perhaps envy is the real culprit here and like it says in Suratul Faatihaa they wish to deceive.

Could you elaborate what is written in surah fatiha? I didnt quite get you here..

So let's really get our "Diyn," in order and not just the parts we feel comfortable with for a Muslim can also be a "Coverer of the Truth."

correction: not a muslim...a hypocrite is.



Yes, he was for he was a decendant of Adam who was made of the mud of the earth. Suratul Alaq. He was also from the tribe of the Quaraish who were decendants of Ishmael the Oldest son of Abraham by Abraham's second wife Hagar.

As far as the Khalifah... it was  to be Ali not Abu bakr. Ali was later killed while making prayer and his sons were also hunted down and killed. He did not say it in words because he did not wish it to be so. That is a Sunni muslim analogy. They (Sunni's) were later deceived by Musaylimat who was an enemy of the Prophet and  had proposed to the Prophet (pbuh) that they share the throne of Islam. Musaylimat later targeted the sahaaba of the Prophet who had committed the Quraan to memory to kill them and elininate Allahs message. This is why the Quraan was later compiled to save it from being destroyed.

Islam is our way of life and a religion to those who do not know its true history and those who wish to deceive. It was not something that the  Prophet  Muhammad (pbuh) started but decended from Abraham. That is why Muhammad (pbuh) is known as the "Seal," of the Prophets for Islam was in the beginning.
   Furthermore if Islam is so beautiful why not admit the true ethnicity of the Prophets. This topic always seems to be silenced, especially by Pale Arabs and Europeans alike. Do you deny that the current dispute between the Sunni and Shite goes back to who the true Khalifah of the Prophet (pbuh) was? Did not Aisha daughter of Abu Bakr despise Ali for he had questioned her honor to the Prophet when she returned from being lost in the desert accompanied back by another man? Was Abu Bakr not a Pale Arab and wealthy?
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Originally posted by amah amah wrote:

Originally posted by Taalib19 Taalib19 wrote:

Jenni

A war has forever, been going on with the Pale Arabs vs. Dark skinned people of which the Prophit Muhammad himself was. His family was totally sought after and killed by these same professors of the faith.

Are you saying that the Prophet sallahu alayhi wassalaam was dark skinned??? Your reference?

 The first Khalifah Abu Bakr was chosen because of wealth and being a Pale Arab.

You are wrong.... he was chosen by the companions because they knew that the  prophet himself wished this (though he never said it in words).

So before we go painting a picture of how beautiful Islam is we should recognize these facts.

Islam is beautiful, racism has no place in islam, if some muslims are racists, then they are going beyond the boudaries of islam.

 A war has been going on for centuries against people of color. If you ask a Pale Arab the origin of Muhammad (pbuh) he will deny his true origin and say it does not matter just like a Christian does with Jesus. My question is if you are so true to the faith then why lie about its origin? Or for that matter the origin of those that are responsible for it?

Perhaps envy is the real culprit here and like it says in Suratul Faatihaa they wish to deceive.

Could you elaborate what is written in surah fatiha? I didnt quite get you here..

So let's really get our "Diyn," in order and not just the parts we feel comfortable with for a Muslim can also be a "Coverer of the Truth."

correction: not a muslim...a hypocrite is.

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Assalamu'Alaikum,

I did want to address Israfil:

Thank you for your poetic post but unfortunately your position is not practical to the situation going on.

Insha'Allah Allah knows best but isn't the entire premise of Dawah and education as Our Prophet Muhammad PBUH has taught us practical?Shouldn't we look at the Sahaba and how they learned from Prophet Muhammad PBUH and went out and taught by example and word Practical? Isn't the entire premise of Sunnah and all of it's teachings Practical?

I'll have to be honest it doesn't matter how many times I read the Quran every passage is practical and it does address today's issues and when I take what I've read and learned and apply to myself and than outward in the form of Dawah it is practical.

I live in a multi-cultural family in America and have traveled this glorious planet that Allah(swt) has created for us to live in and I've seen the best and worst it has to offer and I can say very strongly that Dawah does work.

If as muslims we can only take the Quran and Sunnah and implement it into every action and thought every aspect of our day and give Dawah to all of our community than change will start.

You look at a starving country or a country seiged by war and crimes so horrible that it's the basis in our home why we don't even watch tv and you see the canned and dry goods you see the orphans that have shoes and a clean orphanage to sleep and learn in you see the family that has food to eat and babies being vaccinated and you see DAWAH...you see all of this because a muslim in a far away place started with him or herself and made a change they woke up that day and said I will do something anything to change the situation. You see Dawah does work and it will work and when everyone does try their best change will take place.

MasSalaama

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