Great love for jesus led me to Islaam

Now coming to point # 1, which is basically the authorship of these four gospels. Again, my brother Cypriot Boy, does seem to admit that Luke and Mark were not among the 12 disciples of the Jesus and only argues about they being the first hand witnesses among the masses who witnessed the miracles performed by Jesus. Kindly note the three references that he is presenting, one is specific occassion where he tend to allude the presence of Mark at the time of arrest of Jesus (quoted by Mathew) but then Cypriot Boy doesn't bother to provide the Biblical reference and two general references that Luke was also present around there when he was traveling with Paul and the second general reference is from multitude of people (around 5000) had witnessed the miracle performed by Jesus. Is this sufficient to assume that infact these two gentlemen actually authored the gospels which bears their name? Before we go into this claim, I even decline to admit the evidence brother Cypriot Boy has presented in the form of Luke 1 introduction. This passage clearly states that he is only verifying the account given to him by an eyewitness source. Thus he himself was not the eyewitness of this gospel. Here is what is written in this introduction and I am repeating it for ease of understanding

You seem to have read the Bible where Jesus taught that the Gospel would be acted by the word of God and that his followers will write it. For to write it you must be inspired by the Holy Spirit. As with Luke, you state that i verify the account. No my freind, to be a Christian you  must beleive and have faith. As a muslim you may beleive that that is not enouh in what you have said before, but the Bible is the holiest book that has been inspired by God at the beginning then brought to life by the word of God in the end.

So my brother Cypriot Boy, its rather encouraging that we can travel along this path to identify the truth. Let us come along and see what the present day Christian scholars talk about the authorship of these 4 synoptic gospels. As yet we are looking at just the two already admittedly known authors that they weren't among the 12 disciples. Now from the above evidence at least this author of "Gospel according to Luke" is out of our list of direct Witnesses. For the Mark, since you have not provided any specific reference from your Bible therefore I shall keep its burdon onto you till that time to comment anything about it.

If you must ask..

51 " A young manm wearing nothing but a linen garment, was following Jesus. When they seized him, he fled naked, leaving his garment behind" (Mark). Its been stated by many that Mark was describing himself because this  information is not referred to in any of the other 3 synoptic gospels.

As yet we are looking at just the two already admittedly known authors that they weren't among the 12 disciples

Ok i stated firstly the 4 synoptic authors, then YOU stated the 12 disciples. And YOU did not answer about Saul who heard the the word of God ( Jesus) and converted himself to Paul. You do not have to be a witness to God at any one time. This is quite interesting isnt it? Before the word of God was shown on Earth do we dismiss all other information? No..

Hence you also conclude that they weren't amoung the 12 but just like us to see how could they be assumed to be the direct eye witness. First of all, if they weren't among the 12, I would not even consider any of testimony as they don't qualify to speak of anything about Jesus merely from a audeince standpoint of view. Can they claim to know everything about what Jesus taught and talked about? No, never ever. How can they be the eyewitnesses of all the details even the personal details about Jesus, if they were merely the bystanders of some of the occassions? Its not a blind faith then what do you call it? No sane person can accept their testimony, not atleast here in USA.

I answered this above. How can you a muslim know what Muhammed taught about? But you can and you live in the year 2005. I call it faith in God and the power of what he can do. Blind faith is where you do not know where you are going to and that you hope for the best. I have faith.

But your own quote from introduction to Luke refutes your assumption. His evidences are chain of transmission from the first eyewitness and not himself being the first witness. Kindly read the verse # 2 again and see what it tells us." ²just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word."

Didnt the closest people who heard what Muhammed said and wrote it down? But by your assumptions it is not reliable for they were not in the cave where he heard the Angel Gabriel. As for the above it states the FIRST eye-witnessess. Your writings does not make sense actually.

Oh, so we are only looking at the possibliities here???. And what value we can be assigned to this possiblity. According to your estimates 2/5000 you said....Hmm. Do you think this is justified to consider this an authentic authorship. Don't you have any better than this number? I reasonably admitted the 12 disciples as they could, perhaps, may provide some more through and accurate testimony about Jesus, though the actual would have been direct account of Jesus himself. But now my brother is satisfied with the possiblities that too of 2/5000 or after going throught the account of introduction to gospel of Luke, it would be just 1/5000 or you may even argue that it should be 1/4999. Hmm...Need to travel a long distance. Nevertheless, I hope that this journey towards the truth shall enlighten us to find the ultimate truth.

As we say in Greek the phrase 'pooooo' which means you seem to have taken yourself down a long road which is the wrong way. I said possibilities in which you stated that it can only be the 12 disciples who saw all the miracles Jesus did. And your waffling about numbers is your doing not mine. Before i stated the number from the Holy Bible.

O my dear brother, where are you living? I am just asking for one name out of them who wrote the "Gospel according to Mark" (as author of Luke has been confirmed that he wasn't the eyewitness), based on solid evidence and not a flimsy possibility. Can you provide us this? I shall await till then. Take care.

I have above and apart from the Bible like you have the hadiths right.. the  extensive and satisfyingly circumstantial account of Mark's life was written by Severus, Bishop of Al-Ushmunain, in the 10th century. According to this account, Mark was the nephew of Barnabas, who was cousin to Peter's wife. Mark was one of the servants at the wedding feast at Cana who poured out the water that Jesus Christ turned to : wine.

God bless . I do not need to say hope God leads us to the right path because faith is a personal thing and only can God do that.

Cypriot Boy wrote: The History i am talking about is that before the Ottomans came to Anatolia, Christianity existed. And it was Ataturk that destroyed the Christian element in the 20th Century. Including 400,000 Pontian Greeks killed, 1.5 million Greek refugees moving into Greece, over 2 Million Armenians killed in Genocide. This is what i mean.

 You know nothing about the history then i am not eager to discuss with you,i need some silence for an week...feel free to read and share whether you do wrong...