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ZamanH
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As Salaam Alaikum, First of all, my apologies for diverting from the original topic of this thread. This will be my last post in this thread. I know that large number (though, not many) of the Muslims in India are unchaste, I don't accept that most of them are unchaste. It was earlier stated in this thread that it is difficult to find chaste men. I thought that was said about Muslims in the West (probably, by a Muslim settled in the West), as consuption of wine and illicit (islamically) sex are widespred (or rampant) in the Western "culture". Also, I would like to clarify that I am not a xenophobe. I believe that the system of democracy as practised in the West (or a modified form of it) should be adopted by the Muslims. I don't know much about Mr. Abduh (other than that he was a sufi), I certainly know he was not a prophet. As for the city of Mumbai (Bombay), it is the most westernized cosmopolitan city of India, and what Semar has said about Muslims there, is true only for upper-class Muslim society which has highly westernized itself in the recent years (they speak in English among themselves and wear Western clothes). It is interesting, that those who oppose greater unity among Muslims, citing cultural, regional and "religious" differences, believe "it is not right to generalise muslims according to their region". ZamanH. |
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semar
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Agree Sr. Nausheen, |
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Salam/Peace,
Semar "We are people who do not eat until we are hungry and do not eat to our fill." (Prophet Muhammad PBUH) "1/3 of your stomach for food, 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air" |
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Nausheen
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Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem, Bismillah ir rehman ir rahim, It is not right to generalise muslims according to their region. There are many muslims in India who are not chaste, and may allah show them guidance. On the other hand, there are several muslim brothers and sisters in the west who are striving with all their might to hold fast to islam. Even the west has scholars, schools to teach islam, and communities where people are sincere to the deen, insha allah. We must pray that all our brothers and sister, irrespective of their culture, color or origin, and irrespective of their country of residence remain steadfast. May all receive true guidance and may all be received as the successful on the day of reckoning, insha allah. Ameen. Edited by administrator |
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semar
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in bombay or other places in asia i believe it 's not difficult to find muslim do the samething. In th other hand also it's not difficult to find good muslim in the west, as easy as in the east of course you have to go to the right place to find it. If you want to find a good muslim go to a good place, if you want to go find a bad muslim go to the bad place. You may heard in asia many drug dealers that captured are muslim from nigeria, moroco and some other muslim coutry. |
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ZamanH
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"I agree that many muslim in the west they lost their language and culture, but not the religion." I don't know. Besides I don't know what you mean by not losing religion. I once chatted with a "Muslim" in the IRC, who drinks wine, eats pork and has no qualms about sleeps with other men, yet she claimed to be a Muslim. |
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semar
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I agree that many muslim in the west they lost their language and culture, but not the religion. Culture is not necessary religion for example Islam teach we respect the elder but respecting elder in different area will be differ, in south east Asia holding the elder head is the worst act to elder, but not in turkey. In south east Asia calling elder by just the name is very bad, but not in the us and so on. Also do not forget the fact that many new muslim, become muslim in the west. Also Muhammad Abduh statement that he saw muslim in Egypt but didn't see Islam there but he didn't see muslim in Europe (France) but he saw Islam there. |
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ZamanH
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"...In these present days you hardly find chaste men..."
That is certainly not true for Muslim men in India. You seem to be talking about Muslims settled in the West. The prevalence of lechery among "Muslims" settled in the West is invariably due to the influence of the Western "culture". I have heard that the first-generation of Muslims settled in the West lose their culture; the second generation of them, their language and the third generation, thier religion. |
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Nausheen
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Wa iyakum ya ukhti :)
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