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Sarita
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Excuse I hope I don't sound PMSy or something like that. I don't want to come off as rude. But verse 19 was a couple verses up from the verses Arab was quoting, there should be no question there. I clearly stated who John the Baptist was, I never said he was a disciple, that would be innaccurate if I did. Yes, there is a John who was loved by Jesus. There are a few different John's in the New Testament, I guess they couldn't have had more original names then, it is like me, my name is Sarah, many ladies my same age also have this name, if we all knew each other and wrote a book, it would be exhausting trying to figure out which Sarah was which . I copied over the verses in question here to show you so that you will be able to see indeed this was John the Baptist testimony.
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BMZ
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Sarita, John 1:19 is not a couple of verses up, it is right in the beginning of John's book. I was talking about the disciple whom Jesus loved, reference Verses John 21:20-22, which are talking about a disciple of Jesus by the name John. John the Baptist was not a disciple of Jesus. This is the disciple who wrote. John the Baptist wrote no testimony. Please read John 21:19-25 and you will know this has nothing to do with John the Baptist. Hope my point is clear. Thanks. |
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Sarita
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Yes, in fact these verses are written by Jesus' disciple John, and written about John the Baptist. John the Baptist was a relative of Jesus and was also the man who baptized Jesus, and was later beheaded at the request of Herod's daughter. If you go up a couple of verses to John 1:19 it states at the title this stretch of verses is about John the Baptist testimony. Just wanted to clear that up. |
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BMZ
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Hi Arab, From you: "The Gospel of John was written about John but not by the original "Saint John". Big difference." One does not need answering-christianitydot coms to come to the above conclusion. Reading JOHN21:24-25 will itself clarify that the disciple John did not write the Gospel of John. Otherwise John21:24-25 would have been written as "I am the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. I know that my testimony is true." instead of the printed "This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true." This must have been some other John or a team of writers, as is evident from John21:25"Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would have to be written." Salaam Alaikum BMZ |
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Arab
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Laugh now .... But God is one who has no partners because he is far more exhalted then to "begett".
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Reepicheep
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The evil, hate crazed kooks who wrote this nonsense for the "Answering Christianity" website have really outdone themselves with the level of ignorance revealed by their claims about the Book of John. Thanks for my laugh of the day, Arab. |
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Arab
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"The author is the apostle John, 'the disciple whom Jesus loved' (13:23; 19:26; 20:2; 21:7, 20,24). He was prominent in the early church but is not mentioned by name in this Gospel--which would be natural if he wrote it, but hard to explain otherwise. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1588)" When one reads this gospel, he would immediately notice that it was not written by John himself. Let us look at the following verses from the gospel: "And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? (From the King James Version Bible, John 1:19)" "John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (From the King James Version Bible, John 1:26)" "For John was not yet cast into prison. (From the King James Version Bible, John 3:24)" If it was him speaking why didnt he speak in the first person? Notice that there are 24,000 letters or papers found that were not included in today's New Testament, which means that the excerpts that were used for writing the "Gospel of John" and all of the other books and gospels of the NT are highly doubtful and contain no proof what so ever that they were written by any of Jesus' original disciples. The Gospel of John was written about John but not by the original "Saint John". Big difference. from: answering christianity http://www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm Edited by Arab |
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Cyril
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The Dead Sea Scrolls have been found by Jordanian beduins, not by Israelis.
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