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    Posted: 25 October 2006 at 12:34pm

Originally posted by Cyril Cyril wrote:

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Anything you do in Islam is to attain eternal life in paradise. Does Islam mean also "eternal life"?

And when Muslims fight for their faith what does Islam mean?

Your position does not make sense. In the end, the meaning of Islam dissolves into thousand meanings and this discussion becomes pointless.


Read my post no. 3 in this thread. And let me also quote IC Imam when he said, " Your question can be answered in one sentence or in five volumes." 

I am, most of the times, a silent reader here. And I don't want to learn from you if you have so called "Arabic Scholarship" in your mind who are busy to find fault in Qur'an.

Can we stick to the topic now?  



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And, behold, with every hardship comes ease:
Qur'an 94: 5
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Anything you do in Islam is to attain eternal life in paradise. Does Islam mean also "eternal life"?

And when Muslims fight for their faith what does Islam mean?

Your position does not make sense. In the end, the meaning of Islam dissolves into thousand meanings and this discussion becomes pointless.


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Originally posted by Cyril Cyril wrote:

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I did not want to go into theological matters but remain in the linguistic realm.

You and Truthseeker do not seem to accept the linguistic fact that the word "islaam" does not mean peace.

As you keep drawing the discussion to a religious level where Islam as a religion is supposed to mean peace, then I can follow suit and ask you what do you think of the many "jihad" verses in the Quran?
If Islam means peace, does it also mean war?

Anything one does in Islam is by submission to Allah to attain peace. I have already made it clear in my third post.

I agree with Angel that we should stick to the topic.

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Angel

I did not want to go into theological matters but remain in the linguistic realm.

You and Truthseeker do not seem to accept the linguistic fact that the word "islaam" does not mean peace.

As you keep drawing the discussion to a religious level where Islam as a religion is supposed to mean peace, then I can follow suit and ask you what do you think of the many "jihad" verses in the Quran?
If Islam means peace, does it also mean war?
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Originally posted by truthseeker100 truthseeker100 wrote:

ISLAM is an Arabic term for Submission to the Will of God. The root of the word Islam, is S-L-M, which also means Peace.

Can we stick to this

My time learning islam, the word means peace. And for the fact that muslims say islam (the religion) is/means peace, therefore goes in line with the meaning of the word.  

So can we now get back to the lettered arabic glossy of terms that this thread was kinda intended for

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You must thank not me but the Egyptian Sakhr Company. If you think their Arabic scholarship is "irrelevant", then I wonder what can teach you the meaning of Arabic words.
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Originally posted by Cyril Cyril wrote:

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I can only tell you what an Arabic dictionary says.
We know that islaam is the name derived from the verb aslama.

So here is what for example the online Sakhr dictionary says of the different meanings of aslama:

become a Muslim, follow , <>splitString("lout","Ar");lout<>splitString("lower oneself before","Ar");<>splitString("be or become submissive","Ar"); , lower oneself before , be or become submissive , <>splitString("acquiesce","Ar");acquiesce<>splitString("surrender to","Ar"); , surrender to , <>splitString("repress","Ar");repress , <>splitString("takedown","Ar");takedown , <>splitString("surrender","Ar");surrender , <>splitString("submit","Ar");submit , <>splitString("succumb","Ar");succumb , <>splitString("yield","Ar");yield , <>splitString("conquer","Ar");conquer<>splitString("act in abjectness before","Ar");<>splitString("give in","Ar");<>splitString("cringe before","Ar");<>splitString("degrade oneself before","Ar");<>splitString("give oneself over to","Ar");<>splitString("give in to","Ar");<>splitString("defer to","Ar");<>splitString("grovel before","Ar");<>splitString("bow to","Ar");<>splitString("be governed by","Ar");<>splitString("accede to(someone's wishes)","Ar");<>splitString("truckle before","Ar");<>splitString("be or become yielding","Ar");<>splitString("yield to","Ar");<>splitString("stoop to","Ar");<>splitString("succumb to","Ar");<>splitString("submit to","Ar"); , act in abjectness before , give in , cringe before , degrade oneself before , give oneself over to , give in to , defer to , grovel before , bow to , be governed by , accede to(someone's wishes) , truckle before , be or become yielding , yield to , stoop to , succumb to , submit to, betray.

You notice there is no mention of peace.

We can try the same with another derivative from the root SLM, salaama(t), you find in "ma3a s-salaama", a kind of "good bye".

Here is what the Sakhr says:
 
faultlessness , <>splitString("flawlessness","Ar");flawlessness , <>splitString("correctness","Ar");correctness , <>splitString("healthiness","Ar");healthiness , <>splitString("intactness","Ar");intactness , <>splitString("validity","Ar");validity , <>splitString("health","Ar");health , <>splitString("rightness","Ar");rightness.

Again no mention of peace.



Your post is well written, but irrelevant. 

The point is the root, S-L-M, means peace. The influence of "peace" can not be ruled out in the derivative "Islam".

Thank you for your efforts anyway.

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I can only tell you what an Arabic dictionary says.
We know that islaam is the name derived from the verb aslama.

So here is what for example the online Sakhr dictionary says of the different meanings of aslama:

become a Muslim, follow , <>splitString("lout","Ar");lout<>splitString("lower oneself before","Ar");<>splitString("be or become submissive","Ar"); , lower oneself before , be or become submissive , <>splitString("acquiesce","Ar");acquiesce<>splitString("surrender to","Ar"); , surrender to , <>splitString("repress","Ar");repress , <>splitString("takedown","Ar");takedown , <>splitString("surrender","Ar");surrender , <>splitString("submit","Ar");submit , <>splitString("succumb","Ar");succumb , <>splitString("yield","Ar");yield , <>splitString("conquer","Ar");conquer<>splitString("act in abjectness before","Ar");<>splitString("give in","Ar");<>splitString("cringe before","Ar");<>splitString("degrade oneself before","Ar");<>splitString("give oneself over to","Ar");<>splitString("give in to","Ar");<>splitString("defer to","Ar");<>splitString("grovel before","Ar");<>splitString("bow to","Ar");<>splitString("be governed by","Ar");<>splitString("accede to(someone's wishes)","Ar");<>splitString("truckle before","Ar");<>splitString("be or become yielding","Ar");<>splitString("yield to","Ar");<>splitString("stoop to","Ar");<>splitString("succumb to","Ar");<>splitString("submit to","Ar"); , act in abjectness before , give in , cringe before , degrade oneself before , give oneself over to , give in to , defer to , grovel before , bow to , be governed by , accede to(someone's wishes) , truckle before , be or become yielding , yield to , stoop to , succumb to , submit to, betray.

You notice there is no mention of peace.

We can try the same with another derivative from the root SLM, salaama(t), you find in "ma3a s-salaama", a kind of "good bye".

Here is what the Sakhr says:
 
faultlessness , <>splitString("flawlessness","Ar");flawlessness , <>splitString("correctness","Ar");correctness , <>splitString("healthiness","Ar");healthiness , <>splitString("intactness","Ar");intactness , <>splitString("validity","Ar");validity , <>splitString("health","Ar");health , <>splitString("rightness","Ar");rightness.

Again no mention of peace.



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