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Originally posted by Alwardah Alwardah wrote:

As Salamu Alaikum

I think there is some misunderstanding here.

The thread started here was to teach the Arabic Language.

I totally agree with Ummziba, one cannot learn the Arabic Language using transliteration, it is very confusing. I am speaking from experience.

Let me give you an example.

The word  is either written as Azeem or Atheem or Adheem.

Now asking for translations of commonly used phrases is something else.  Even these phrases cannot be translated properly. I was corrected by a brother in this forum sometime ago, regarding a bad translation. Alhamdulillah he showed me why it is not good to use translations from others even if they are commonly used.

 

I will try and post a link to that post after Ramadan - need to find it.

 

Insha Allah after Ramadan we can try and come up with some ideas in order to learn from each other.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alwardah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 October 2006 at 1:43pm

As Salamu Alaikum

 

I think there is some misunderstanding here.

 

The thread started here was to teach the Arabic Language.

 

I totally agree with Ummziba, one cannot learn the Arabic Language using transliteration, it is very confusing. I am speaking from experience.

 

Let me give you an example.

The word  is either written as Azeem or Atheem or Adheem.

 

Now asking for translations of commonly used phrases is something else.  Even these phrases cannot be translated properly. I was corrected by a brother in this forum sometime ago, regarding a bad translation. Alhamdulillah he showed me why it is not good to use translations from others even if they are commonly used.

 

I will try and post a link to that post after Ramadan - need to find it.

 

Insha Allah after Ramadan we can try and come up with some ideas in order to learn from each other.

 

Salams

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 October 2006 at 3:15am

Ummiziba, we understand what you say  

the greeting "Salaamu Alaykum" everyone well at least muslims mention it on their posts, to have a glossy of terms, how can you say that you cannot provide the help some people need when nearly all muslims use the english lettered arabic and here in the forum?

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ummziba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 October 2006 at 2:35am

Ladies,

Sorry I can not provide you with the kind of learning you seem to be looking for.  I am sure there are lots of others out there who could be helpful to you.  Perhaps after Ramadhan, some one will step up to the plate!

If one has a computer that cannot read Arabic script, then one will have a very hard time trying to learn the language, after all, Arabic is not written in Roman letters.  You'll have to use books, real people, or some other means. 

For myself, the only purpose for learning Arabic is to be able to actually read the Qur'an.  Transliteration just won't cut it.  One has to invest in the time and effort to learn the actual Arabic letters and sounds, to me, learning transliteration is a huge waste of time for many, many reasons.

So, I wish you well on your journey of Arabic learning.  May Allah give us all patience (Arabic is not so easy to learn!).

(By the way, there is a thread for questions and answers....)

Peace, ummziba.

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Salaamu Alaykum,

Sista Sista Ummziba, I got this computer on the cheap so there is no disk to insert when that is called for. 

We can put both calligraphy and transliteration, unless we can't do Arabic letters because of our cheapo computers (Al-Hamdulilah, btw!).

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I agree with Angel.  It would be nice to have the transliteration with the common phrases.  It will help with understanding the phrasing.

As a linguist who has studied languages like Russian and Japanese, you need to use the transliteration until the students pick up on the alphabet.

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Originally posted by ummziba ummziba wrote:

Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

It will be good to have a sister thread titled "common phrases - english lettered"

 

I am not exactly sure what you mean, but I can tell you that this whole Arabic language section is for anyone (not just sisters). 

I know its for everyone

I meant along side this one there should also be one with the english lettered.

Quote I can also tell you that trying to learn Arabic with transliteration (English lettered, as you call it) is the worst way to do it.  It is much better to learn the Arabic letters and the sounds they make and then sound the words out that way.  Transliteration is confusing and there are many different ways to do it - bad idea all around.

Hope this was helpful.

Peace, ummziba.

I understand but not everyone is adapt to do that. And also because not everyone has the equipment to transform/late arabic writing, your posts here is meaningless to me obviously it does not show the proper nature, no offence to you.  Partly why I asked for a sister thread but that does mean writing out twice over

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