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Sawtul Khilafah View Drop Down
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    Posted: 10 October 2006 at 6:23am

Bismillahirrahmaanerraheem

Watch this video of Iraq's "police" (or Thugs) beating up and shooting a civilian:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KJswTf3Rteg

What is the job of the Police? To protect and serve the people of that country.

What is the job of the "New Iraqi Government's Police" ? To protect and serve the Occupation, and their own desires.

These so-called "Police" go around beating, shooting and killing anyone they want, and obeying orders given to them by the American military and their puppet "Iraqi" Government. They all carry guns meaning that they are infact not really different from the military.

They are simply called "Iraqi police" so that they would be counted as civilians (since "Police" are considered to be Civilian).

So on the news you may hear "insurgents killed 10 civilians" when infact, 10 from the Iraqi Police Force have been killed while fighting the Iraqi resistance.



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Sawtul, you have a twisted interpretation of events, and even of the
Koran. You are urging us here on the forum to believe the Taliban
don’t kill civilians, and that Al Q’aida should be supported. In two
posts here, you have written that Moslems dying in Iraq deserve to
die, especially since they work for the American sponsored
government.

Previously you tried to portray Hezbollah as an Israeli/CIA sponsored
movement, as it had failed to destroy the state of Israel.

To sum up your position: you are a Taliban/Al Q’aida supporter, (we
have yet to hear your twisted view of Hamas,) and you applaud the
killing of Moslems who work for American-sponsored regimes.

You believe the Iraqi police are being trained and depoyed only to
kill fellow Iraqis:

“These so-called "Police" go around beating, shooting and killing
anyone they want, and obeying orders given to them by the American
military and their puppet "Iraqi" Government. They all carry guns
meaning that they are infact not really different from the military”

Here, you chose to ignore the fact that most police services
throughout the world, serve their governments. And you clumsily try
to show us how most news reports of incidents in Iraq and
Afghanistan are not telling the truth, (do you think we are THAT
naïve?) painting your own picture, based on your bias towards
Moslems fighting other Moslems, so long as they are ‘apostates’.

You choose questionable news sources, such as Yahoo or Khaleej
Times and quote them for your purpose. Thus, in the report of a
recent food poisoning of iraqi police, you choose to quote an agent
of the same government you blame for killing Iraqis under US orders:
“Some of the policemen began bleeding from the ears and nose after
the meal, said Jassim al-Atwan, an inspector for the Environment
Ministry, who was serving as a liaison in the investigation between
the Health Ministry and the base, located in the town of Numaniyah.”

Since you are in Iran, why don’t you find us some news sources
closer to base? Otherwise, try independent sources such as
alternet.org, truthout.org, informationclearinghouse.com, or
dahrjamailiraq.com
There are several more who, like you, believe the Iraqi and Afghan
governments are US puppets, but they don’t believe the best way to
fight them is by suicide bombing women and children in an attempt
to make a point , or by cutting the throats of journalists and
government workers.

I don’t know if your mother knows the kind of stupid things you are
posting these days, but I do know that if she knew, she would be
deeply ashamed and angry with you. And I don’t know what your
father has done to deserve such a foolish son.

It seems to me you have not gained anything in your attempts to
whip up support for the Taliban and Al Q’aida, people here are
ignoring you, most Moslems quite ashamed of your ignorance and
foolishness, and not many bothering to reply to your posts.

And do you think this is good dawah?


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Wow Duende, I'm stunned.   
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sawtul Khilafah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 October 2006 at 2:33pm

Assalamu Alaykum wa Rahmatullah

Originally posted by Duende Duende wrote:

In two
posts here, you have written that Moslems dying in Iraq deserve to
die, especially since they work for the American sponsored
government.

I Never said Muslim Iraqis deserve to die, I said the apostates who join the army, or the so called "police force" deserve the punishment of Allah.

Apostates are Not Muslims, and there is no doubt that they will enter Jahannam, so I see no reason why I cant speak against them.

Originally posted by Duende Duende wrote:



Previously you tried to portray Hezbollah as an Israeli/CIA sponsored
movement, as it had failed to destroy the state of Israel.

Hahhaha, I gave a lot of reasons for that, not that they simply "failed to destroy Israel", but because they didnt even attempt to do this, even though they claim they want to do it.

If you want to argue with me about Hezbushaytan, then do so in the appropriate thread please.

Originally posted by Duende Duende wrote:


you applaud the
killing of Moslems who work for American-sponsored regimes.

Well according to the Quran, they are Not Muslims. You are not arguing with me on this, youre arguing with Allah.

Originally posted by Duende Duende wrote:



Here, you chose to ignore the fact that most police services
throughout the world, serve their governments.

Ofcourse, but these guys dont just serve the puppet Government, but even take direct orders from US forces and fight alongside them against Muslims

Originally posted by Duende Duende wrote:

 And you clumsily try
to show us how most news reports of incidents in Iraq and
Afghanistan are not telling the truth, (do you think we are THAT
naïve?)

apparently you are...

Originally posted by Duende Duende wrote:


Thus, in the report of a
recent food poisoning of iraqi police, you choose to quote an agent
of the same government you blame for killing Iraqis under US orders

ehhh, that's the whole point. If they themselves admit it, then it's more likely to have happened!


Originally posted by Duende Duende wrote:


There are several more who, like you, believe the Iraqi and Afghan
governments are US puppets, but they don’t believe the best way to
fight them is by suicide bombing women and children in an attempt
to make a point , or by cutting the throats of journalists and
government workers.

I dont either. Infact, if you read my other posts (which you admit you have) then you must have read that Im against the killing of civilians, and I gave a few reasons why I believe the Taliban and al-Qaeda do not kill civilians, or why I think some of the beheading videos are fakes.


Peace unto those who follow the Guidance

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Duende Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 October 2006 at 8:22am
Sawtul, you seem to me to be terribly confused. You give the
impression of saying one thing, yet claim to be saying another
(supporting Al Q'aida, then saying you don't etc.) What is the point in
trying to show how some propaganda is fake, and not another? Many
here on this forum have a very good sense of the fake and fabricated
and of propaganda. That's why we don't pay you much attention. I
chose to respond because I am fed up with giving the impression, by
not responding, of swallowing your tripe.

As regards apostasy, it is a very sensitive and I think complex issue
and I don't think you are qualified to decide who has committed such
a thing. You seem to believe the mere act of getting a job within Iraq
these days, deserves Allah's punishment for apostasy.

You think so many hundreds of Iraqi's, who have no other choice,
who line up to take the only paying jobs that are going i.e. army,
police, government positions, deserve to experience Allah's
punishment? Irtidad is the act in which a Moslem abandons Islam.
Are you sure these unsuspecting police in Iraq are consciously
denying Islam by getting a job? Are you suggesting that rather than
try to support their families with a paid job, they should instead take
up arms against their neighbours and cousins who do take those
jobs? or do you think they could find a job doing something else,
say, cleaning up after suicide bombs, working at the morgue, or
maybe working at the local oil well?

Where does your definition of an apostate of Islam leave the millions
who died fighting Moslems in the Iran-Iraq war?

In your use of the Yahoo news item quoting a government 'liaison
officer' (smells iffy to me) you say this makes the news more likely to
be true, when in fact it makes it LESS likely. This man's ‘position’ is
tenuous, even if it actually existed, and few with such lack lustre
positions can resist the chance to take the limelight by making
scandalous comments which, after all, sell newspapers and
guarantee you'll be in the limelight for the time it takes to record
your lies. The proof of this is the fact that no other serious,
experienced news site (Reuters, EFE etc.) has quoted him. Only the
gullible and eager to be titivated, like yourself.

If I had the impression you were against the killing of civilians, I
would not have bothered posting. If Ak-m-f found your position on
the death’s of Iraqis clear, he would not have told you his opinion of
you, one which all of us share, by the way. It is precisely because you
give the impression of supporting the Taliban's killing of civilians etc,
and here you have given the impression of applauding the deaths of
Iraqis, that I have decided to post a response. I do not support the
twisted view of Islam that most non-Moslems in the West receive
through their media, and which twisted Moslems such as yourself,
are encouraging. If you wish to continue giving visitors to this site,
and those of us who participate, the impression that Islam is a non-
forgiving, fundamentalist, hate filled and violent religion than you
will be shunned.
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Bismillahirrahmaanerraheem

1- We are talking about the apostate POLICE in Iraq, not the Taliban. Hanan, you are once again trying to ruin the thread by changing the topic.

2- The Taliban never forbade women from studying, they simply refused to build any new schools for girls, and this has already been discussed on the appropriate threads before.

3- Since Hanan calls the Taliban Unbelievers (Kafirs) then that would mean that either he is a Kafir, or the Taliban are. Because the Prophet (pbuh) said in an Authentic and very well known Hadith that if you accuse someone of being a Kafir, then at least one of the two is a Kafir.

Hence, if the Taliban are Muslims, then Hanan is a Kafir. And I believe that the Taliban are Muslims...

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