Conservative Muslims

Jamal Morelli wrote: It is an interesting post subject because it raises a question that is so dear to us - how can anything that we love so much, that causes no harm to those around us, that does not turn us from god - be haram? Pot is a major player in Moroccan sufi brotherhoods - I don't know any Moroccans who would suggest the Aissawa, Gnawa, or Jilali brotherhoods are haraam or kafir or anything of the sort. They are the indispensible dispensers of Islamic power, love, wisdom and, yes, fun here in Morocco.

NO wonder the Arabs countries are so messed up
Need a bad Mao like to clean up sooner than later!
Fun, my foot--  wetbacks begging to get in Spain, have no self respect



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Angel wrote: Sign*Reader wrote: BTW where are yoy from, you don't sound American? lol!, Not everyone on this forum is from america

Angel: Yes my dear Autralian friend   Then not everbody in United States is American either for your info and I hazard to guess same is true about Australia also.
There are all kinds of Americans around here.
the catagories of the say south asians I am guessing ZubairH is
!st generation          FOB= Fresh Off Boat or naturalized or the illegals
2nd Generation  ABCD= American Born Confused Desis
and so on so forth
He sounds more like a FOB, and I see seekshidath is spinnig his wheels with him. I would like to know something before casting the pearls, you know what I mean?


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My point is, so what if Muhammad (pbuh) didnt do these types of meditations. That doesnt mean we can't do them. It's just another way of doing it. What do you mean when you said,"Do we dance when doing dikr?" So what? It is just another way

Just another thing, it is known, as a fact, that the prophet pbuh enjoyed singing very much. How is this different in any way from music except for the fact that it has words with it, sometimes not even? The voice is one of the most popular instruments, you cannot deny that this is music. What about whistling? Prophet muhammad indeed was very fond of music.

Regarding meditation, even the non-muslims today agree that offering of salah is the best form of meditation. You just show us a single AUTHENTIC  hadith which supports u r stand of meditation  i.e Dancing. As well as when you say that singing is being allowed? Never did our prophet  support that.  The hadith which most of us are aware of is - when our prophet allowed those minor girls i.e friends of Ayesha razi allah ta'ala anha , to sing, as Haz, Abu-Bakr raziallah ta'ala anhu scolded them. These girls were allowed to visit her house and play with her. And never did our prophet sallal lahu alaihi wasallam asked us to sing the verses of Qur'an. Infact we were asked to recite in a pleasant voice. Not to shout or shriek. 

Even same is the case of music.We have been renovating our religion as per our choice {knowing not that its not gud either here or the world hereafter} like the Ehle kitaab. Here is  a verse please go thru it

"Islam Has Been Perfected For Muslims "

Allah said,
{This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.) This, indeed, is the biggest favor from Allah to this Ummah, for He has completed their religion for them, and they, thus, do not need any other religion or any other Prophet except Muhammad . This is why Allah made Muhammad the Final Prophet and sent him to all humans and Jinn.

Therefore, the permissible is what he allows, the impermissible is what he prohibits, the Law is what he legislates and everything that he conveys is true and authentic and does not contain lies or contradictions.

Allah said;

(And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice,) meaning, it is true in what it conveys and just in what it commands and forbids. When Allah completed the religion for Muslims, His favor became complete for them as well. Allah said,(This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.) meaning, accept Islam for yourselves, for it is the religion that Allah likes and which He chose for you, and it is that with which He sent the best of the honorable Messengers and the most glorious of His Books. Ibn Jarir recorded that Harun bin `Antarah said that his father said, "When the Ayah,(This day, I have perfected your religion for you...) was revealed, during the great day of Hajj (the Day of `Arafah, the ninth day of Dhul-Hijjah) `Umar cried. The Prophet said, `What makes you cry' He said, `What made me cry is that our religion is being perfected for us. Now it is perfect, nothing is perfect, but it is bound to deteriorate.' The Prophet said,

(You have said the truth.)'' What supports the meaning of this Hadith is the authentic Hadith,

(Islam was strange in its beginning and will return strange once more. Therefore, Tuba for the strangers.)

Imam Ahmad recorded that Tariq bin Shihab said, "A Jewish man said to `Umar bin Al-Khattab, `O Leader of the Believers! There is a verse in your Book, which is read by all of you (Muslims), and had it been revealed to us, we would have taken that day (on which it was revealed) as a day of celebration.'

`Umar bin Al-Khattab asked, `Which is that verse' The Jew replied, s(This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you...) `Umar replied, `By Allah! I know when and where this verse was revealed to Allah's Messenger . It was the evening on the Day of `Arafah on a Friday.''' Al-Bukhari recorded this Hadith through Al-Hasan bin As-Sabbah from Ja`far bin `Awn. Muslim, At-Tirmidhi and An-Nasa'i also recorded this Hadith. In the narration collected by Al-Bukhari in the book of Tafsir, through Tariq, he said, "The Jews said to `Umar, `By Allah! There is a verse that is read by all of you (Muslims), and had it been revealed to us, we would have taken that day (on which it was revealed) as a day of celebration.' `Umar said, `By Allah! I know when and where this verse was revealed and where the Messenger of Allah was at that time. It was the day of `Arafah, and I was at `Arafah, by Allah.'' Sufyan (one of the narrators) doubted if Friday was mentioned in this narration. Sufyan's confusionwas either because he was unsure if his teacher included this statement in the Hadith or not. Otherwise, if it was because he doubted that the particular day during the Farewell Hajj was a Friday, it would be a mistake that could not and should not have come from someone like Sufyan Ath-Thawri. The fact that it was a Friday, is agreed on by the scholars of Sirah and Fiqh. There are numerous Hadiths that support this fact that are definitely authentic and of the Mutawatir type. This Hadith was also reported from `Umar through various chains of narration.

 

 

 Most people can't learn to use their brains like this by themselves, unless they use marijuana. Yes I said it. Marijuana helps people understand better. Marijuana is a mental stimulant. Also marijuana does not make you do anything that is considered a sin, like alcohol can do sometimes. DO NOT tell me intoxicants are haraam, because alcohol was replaced immediately by other intoxicants such as marijauna and other intoxicating teas. It is even suggested that Muhammad pbuh used marijuana himself, while meditating.

As'salamulaikum Wa rahmatullahi Wa barakatahu,

First lets make up our minds to adapt the knowledge which leads us to the right path instead of sticking our limits to the religion of our forefathers or else. or to win over the point. May Allah lead us to the right path. There is no question of compromising with the verses of Qur'an at any cost. If we keep trying to make such adjustments then we may not be able to view the real islam as every one would have there own innovated religion. O.K coming t o your point, let me try to explain again that the word  "khamr"  used in the Arabic text stands according to the lane for, "Any intoxicating thing that clouds  or obscures the intellect be it in any quantity", Thus the prohibition here relates to all intoxicants and the name which you mentioned is also under this category.

The total prohibition of Qur'an is a fact of history to which all the historians of the Qur'an including its worst critic D.S Margoliouth  says "when the revelation came, zealous followers went round the houses of muslims and emptied all the vessels of liquor which was supposed to be intoxicating , in many cases breaking the vessels themselves--------.The prohibition was extended to vinegar made of wine and categorical denial  was given to the suggestion that wine had medicinal value." {Mohammad, p 283}

But still as you view, there are many muslims who make others believe that, according to the Holy Qur'an, wine is not something totally evil, - wrongly taking the shelter of the verse - "They ask you {O Prophet} about wine and gambling. Tell {them} in both is a great sin and some benefits for men, but sin is far greater than benefit-----------".

The condemnation of wine even in this verse is very definite. However coming to the words "some benefits", what has been really affirmed is not any benefit in human consumption but the other benefits to which a scientist refers thus, "Alcohol's most  useful sphere of action is a solvent in industrial concerns. It has also some uses as an external consumption" 

Above all as a muslim we need to have complete faith  with the verses. Its said to be handi work of satan and naturally  this path does not leads us to success. We feel little is allowed and after few days we feel to increase the quantity bit more and this way we are completely into  the trap of satan. So please read the verses again and again and lets make a sincere prayer that Allah lead us to a right path. Ameen.