Seifless dude needs to learn to brush aside his innuendo especially with adults.

Andalus wrote: Al-kafir wrote: It seems that Moslems have an insatiable need to believe conspiracy theories. It was not a Muslim whom stated the obvious about 9/11. As a Muslim, I do not believe in a conspiracy theory, which is what the government sold its residents and the world alike: A group of men living in caves in Afghanistan were able to train men under the noses of US intelligence and synchronise a major attack at the very moment NORAD was planned to stand down to run an exercise.  Here is more from a "non-Muslim". What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks? http://www.counterpunch.org/ketcham03072007.html

It�s really astonishing, the fantasy world that Moslems inhabit.

What I see as obvious in the lack of ability for the moslem posters to present any cogent argument is the pervasive pattern of ignoring what is evident and obvious. As usual, the conspiracy theories are running rampant. They may be valid to you, and within your own orbit that's fine. But by bringing them into the public arena, you have given approval for them to be scrutinized. That you think diabolical and sinister plots are unfolding at the hand of the US, Mossad, CIA, various other unnamed and unaccounted for conspirators, is entertaining but is also absent validation.

 

I will admit though, that after a 14 hour work day, I do get a bit of comic relief watching the saliva slinging tirades of conspiracy theorists.

 

Keep em� comin.�  

 

Duende wrote: Al-kafir, don't worry, we also derive some amusement from your inability to understand why millions of people all over the world (the majority non-Muslim) refuse to believe the official story of 14 Arabs quietly learning extraordinary flying skills. And kindly put this sentence in ordinary English so we poor Moslems might understand it better (translation: what does this mean?): "What I see as obvious in the lack of ability for the moslem posters to present any cogent argument is the pervasive pattern of ignoring what is evident and obvious." Speaking of proof and validation, why don't you see if you can come up with the vital missing evidence: prove the hijakers were on board. And by posting these theories here, bringing them into the public arena (did you think they were not available all over the web?) as you say, Andalus and others have done nothing extraordinary here. Do you think these theories require some sort of official seal of approval before being granted 'approval for scrutiny'?

You should know that your ��because I say so� argument is fine for the company [I[you keep but in the grown up world, truth supplants fiction. Except for your claiming so, I�m not aware that �(the majority non-Muslim)� refuse to believe (9-11) as you claim.  

 

What is evident is that there is a pervasive pattern of Moslem denial and inability to accept facts that are inconsistent with the pronouncements issued by Islam�s politburo mouthpieces.

 

The alleged Jew connections with 9-11 are the most laughable examples of this.
Moslems� obsession with IJH is as entertaining as it is pitiable. Moslems� self created victimhood under the guise of those crafty Joooo conspiracies is part of Arab/Moslem cultural norms. What do these endless conspiratorial musings have in common? All of them tell us of millions of Moslem Middle Easterners who have immersed themselves in an imaginary world of conspiracies that is fueled by insecurity and self hate. Remember Baghdad Bob? (Saddam�s propaganda mouthpiece who was convinced that his fantasies were more real than the US armored forces plowing through Baghdad). The Baghdad Bob syndrome is more the norm than the exception in Arab/Moslem �culture�. Historians, both Western and Islamic, have oft noted that Moslem culture is more fantasy prone than modern, Western cultures. History has shown that Islam was passed by as the Renaissance, the European enlightenment, and finally the scientific-technological revolution, all predicated on free thought and open debate, allowed the West to surge ahead and forge new avenues of social, political and economic advances.

 

 

The fact that you have this need and desire to believe in conspiracy theories seems to be an emotional defense mechanism. You seem to be the prototypical angry, self hating Moslem. You revile the West, our modern and forward reaching culture, our stunning achievements and our successes. That�s why you live in the West and that�s why you harbor such deep resentment. Your ideology has been in decline for centuries because of it�s fundamental flaws which you cannot reconcile.

 

Candidly, I�m not going to assist you in furthering your fantasies. You have this need to believe in conspiracies. I�m happy for you. It matters not to me. You just really shouldn�t expect others to buy into your waking nightmare.

 

It's an exercise in futility dealing with self created victims. Gag a zealot. Shake a shiny object before his crazed eyes to get his attention. Calmly delineate in simple declarative sentences of user-friendly monosyllables a logical progression of facts, science and demonstration. Nod reassuringly. Slowly remove the gag. It is inevitable that the zealot will defiantly screech and sputter something as cogent as:

"DIRTY KUFFAR CRUSADERS AND ILLEGAL ZIONAZI OPPRESSORS�.�
 

You will always be the perfect victim you choose to be.

 

 

 

Oh yeah. Why would anyone believe that hitting a building the size of the WTC requires anything as rigorous as �extraordinary flying skills�.  How utterly silly. A rhetorical comment, that last sentence. As Moslems will have us believe it, It's all a Mossad/CIA/Freemason/Bush/Halliburton/Neocon/ (and all manner of other, as yet, un-named and unaccounted for co-conspirators).   

 

Al-Kafir wrote:
�Except for your claiming so, I�m not aware that �(the majority non-
Muslim)� refuse to believe (9-11) as you claim.�

That�s okay Al-Kafir, it�s obvious you�re not very aware, period.

Steve Watson & Alex Jones / Prisonplanet.com | October 14 2006

According to the new New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of
Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and
the intelligence prior to the attacks:

"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the
truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they
mostly lying?

Telling the truth 16%

Hiding something 53%

Mostly lying 28%

Not sure 3%"

The 84% figure mirrors other recent polls on the same issue. A
Canadian Pollput the figure at 85%. A CNN poll had the figure at 89%.
Over 80% supported the stance of Charlie Sheen when he went public
with his opinions on 9/11 as an inside job.

A recent CNN poll found that the percentage of Americans who
blame the Bush administration for the September 11, 2001, attacks
on New York and Washingtonrose from almost a third to almost half
over the past four years. This latest poll shows that that figure has
again risen exponentially and now stands at well over three quarters
of the population

Edited by Duende