Concept of Creation VS Chance

deist wrote: Alwardah wrote: deist wrote: You already make a logical mistake when you simply assume that a force must be behind all that exists ! There is no conclusive proof for that either. Peace Deist You and I and the rest of the universe is proof  do you really need more. Actually that is no proof at all. It only states that something exists.

Okay this is simple for me,

Me and the rest of my world were created.

You and the rest of your world are here by chance.

So I believe in Allah (God), punishment and reward

To you there is no God, no punishment nor reward.

How sad nothing for you to really look forward to - just existing.

Alhamdulillah, Insha Allah I am working towards Paradise

Take care nice discussion.

Alwardah wrote: If we believe in chance then no purpose in worshiping Allah, because there is no God, no accountability, no punishment, no reward, no paradise and no hell, there is no purpose in life.

Hence what's the purpose in living right?

Of course there is purpose in life 

Why do you think that there is no purpose in life if there is no purpose in worshipping God?

You correct that if no God, then no need to worship God

You still have accountability to yourself and others and your evironment.

You still have punishment, its just not from God. So you have man made rules where if you break them then you be punished. The same with the environment if you mess with it, you suffer.

You still have reward - your life and the senses of the world around you, those things that make you the most happiest. Take care of the environment and you are well and have food and water and materials to make things for living. 

You still have paradise - the wonderful and remarkable world you live in, being happy and joyess and peace.

You still have a hell, those things that you may consider your darkest hours of your life.

So if chance is the go, you still have purpose in life, just think a little  

Darwin's theory of evolution is regarded as the greatest support for atheism.

By whom, the atheist ?

It was religion that showed man the way to know Allah

Or it perhaps it was nature itself and the element of the world and not religion  

Are we here by chance � NO Chance.

Maybe, take away all the scriptures, do you actually know then ?

Good points, Angel, Wow never really thought about it like that.

Angel wrote: You still have accountability to yourself and others and your evironment. You still have punishment, its just not from God. So you have man made rules where if you break them then you be punished.

Angel wrote:   The same with the environment if you mess with it, you suffer. You still have reward - your life and the senses of the world around you, those things that make you the most happiest. Take care of the environment and you are well and have food and water and materials to make things for living.  You still have paradise - the wonderful and remarkable world you live in, being happy and joyess and peace.

Angel wrote: You still have a hell, those things that you may consider your darkest hours of your life.   So if chance is the go, you still have purpose in life, just think a little     Maybe, take away all the scriptures, do you actually know then ?

Assalaamu Alaikum

Sister Alwardah

I enjoyed your piece:

Indeed you helped me to take morally just decisions over the last few days, as I remembered your words when I was in a situation, where in the past I may have slipped up. Hence please accept my personal gratitude for writing the above (as I think it meant more to me than Deist).

Deist, please do not pick on Alwardah, when you have not even met my challenge (�I am not hiding, so please if you can find me a challenger on this issue, I am ready & waiting�). If you think I know nothing of the science I have mentioned, it should be doubly easy for you to, make a fool of me. And if you refuse this challenge, then you are accepting that what I am professing (that I am able to scientifically unify the energy forces with gravity [general relativity]), is the truth!

Please, please accept my challenge; let me show who really knows!!!

nadir