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    Posted: 29 July 2005 at 12:34am

Life is not good if there is no DEMOCRACY.  The Koran demands secularism.

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Originally posted by UmTayyab UmTayyab wrote:

  These women are destroying marriages, spreading disease, bringing unstable children into the society (no stable family, no responsible father...).  If they are poor and alone, let them marry.

 

I'm sorry - WHAT?

In a society where men get to have multiple wives (and, therefore NO reason to visit prostitutes), where men are the ones who have all the power, where men have all the money and where men have all the choices - WHO are destroying marriages?

WHO?

WHO pays the women? WHO gets to do what they want? WHO gets women to do what they want?

 

WHO??????

The women do NOT destroy marriages - men destroy the world.

 

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Bismillah,

Good points, Kim.

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Blimey, UmTayyab, you must have huge shoulders - that chip you're carrying appears to be enormous!

What are you scared of seeing if you open your heart a little too see the grey areas of life, instead of just the black and white bits?

Life is NOT that simple, even if you demand it should be.

The women in this documentary (or any of the other Iranian docos I have seen) are not flashy whores who live for newer, shinier toys or thre newest, groovy drugs, they are poor women whose only hopes appear to be taking care of their children AND still appearing to be the caring, house-bound mothers they are expected to be, and some of them seem to manage to eke out an existance by getting a temporary marriage with someone they don't necessarily love, but at least he might take care of them so they don't have to work any more.

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Bismillah,

In their area it is not haram.  They grew up with the idea of temporary marriages, and that is how their society views it.  Ask, investigate.

Supporting their kids and themselves is far different from the women you've known who are misguided by the god of materialism. 

 Your experiences are different than the women in other countries depicted in the original posted article here.  Open your mind and learn something new.  Someone with your experiences could really contribuite if you had a more open mind and more knowledge. (I'm not a sarcastic person.  Please don't take it the wrong way.)

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Originally posted by herjihad herjihad wrote:

Bismillah,

 Besides, they are engaging in temporary marriages, which in their sect is not haram. 

It IS haram, sectarian biddah does not make what is haram halal.  These women are not stupid, they know what they do is prostitution and not marriage.

Go over there then and let them wipe your face in the dirt when they finish taking all you have to give.  I have tried to help many young girls before I was Muslim, girls who used prostitution and stripping to pay for their food, rent, partying, drugs, men, toys, extravagance... and not one of them ever wanted to improve herself beyond getting better more expensive clothes, longer wigs, flashier fingernails and cooler designer drugs. 

You don't understand the psychology of a prostitute.  They enjoy the attention, the quick money and the high.  But go ahead, you'll learn this soon enough.



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Bismillah,

As usual, the women are being blamed.  It is the men's fault and responsibility.  They are seeking pleasure; the women are making a lving. Besides, they are engaging in temporary marriages, which in their sect is not haram. 

They are not harming society.  They are a part of a huge problem that was there when they entered society.  Society should help them.  But maybe there are too many men who don't want a change to happen.

Maybe someone will help them because of a documentary.  Maybe when my kids grow up, I will.  Who knows?  And I heard about them here.  Hmmm.  People do care.  People will help.

And it's easy for a known loose woman with children to find a good, kind husband to support her and the kids??? Any takers guys?  (I mean, if she promises to be good and stop prostituting herself.)

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What do you think you can do for them?  What do you think I can do for them?  Are you gonna get on a plane and go over there and find them and help them?

They have choice.  They know their society will punish them, they know they are committing a heinous sin against themselves and society. 

Quote Surely Islamic law says that these women should be whipped or killed - when really what they need is love, care, education and protection.

Islamic Law is the Law God made, and no one has the authority to challenge it.  You think you know what Allah does not know?  You think you are smarter than the One who created you and your mother?

People have choice.  And there are consequences to choosing what is against what Allah has made permissible.  If the society turns a blind eye to sin, then the whole society suffers the punishment and the consequences.  The society which does it's best to deter (PUNISH!, NOT BEG!) sin is innocent of the sins which individuals commit.  These women are destroying marriages, spreading disease, bringing unstable children into the society (no stable family, no responsible father...).  If they are poor and alone, let them marry.

Islam teaches us that the unborn have rights over their parents.  It is the right of a woman's children who have not even been concieved yet that their mother chooses for them the best possible father and ensure to her best ability that they have a stable home and family (within a marriage!), and that they both provide for them out of what Allah has deemed their risque (their provision in life, rich, poor, healthy, weak, what is preordained for them before their birth). And it is the right of a man's children who have not even been concieved yet that their father chooses for them the best possible mother and ensure to his best ability that they have a stable home and family, and that they both provide for them out of what Allah has deemed their risque.

These women are denying their unborn children their rights.  These women are taking husbands and money from deserving women who keep their chastity and maintain the rights of their children (causing divorce due to infidelity, malcontentness with the chaste wife, distancing the hearts that are covered in lies and deception...).  These women are infecting society with disease of the body and disease of the mind and disease of the heart, and poisoning the iman of those who are not strong enough to fight their evil desires.  When it's "in your face", it is hard to turn away from if a person's iman is weak.



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