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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cassandra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 August 2006 at 6:57am
"And the Beat Goes On..........."
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"...of the 41 we identified the names...for 38...we were shocked to find that only 8 were Islamic Fundamentalists...all were born in Lebanon..."

A brief methodological question is in order.  Since it is possible to be a socialist (and other group involvement/s) and a fundimentalist at the same time, how did you exclude those identified as those ideologies from also being fundimentalists (given that the term itself is somewhat ambiguous)?

Did you simply ignore the substantially Islamist indoctrination that all known suicide bombers received as a possible motivation?

While I certainly wouldn't deny that secular nationalist goals have an important role in their decision making, I disagree at least with the strength of your brother's conclusions.

My own pet notion (not supported by a lot of formal data) is that the indoctrination team induces and exaggerates guilt over their past (which might include secular or aetheistic political involvement) in order to devalue the life he/she would have led, and toward the false 'glory' of the shahid.  That is consistent with what I have seen from the revelations of captured/prevented suicide bombers.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Whisper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:37am

My own pet notion (not supported by a lot of formal data) is that the indoctrination team induces and exaggerates

Great idea!

Shall we now all stand up and cheer: "occupations ain't gaat anything to do with it"?

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Assalamu alaikum,

Sister Hanan, you never fail to make my day!  You remind me of me when I was young and could still articulate well...........you are a fresh breeze with a salty bite.

peace, ummziba.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote runner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 August 2006 at 2:44pm
Originally posted by Hanan Hanan wrote:

Assalamu Aleikum

Thank you, Sister Ummziba, for mistakenly implying that I�m a young and well articulate woman. You have made MY day 

I live among the Above Mentioned and know them well. Most of us know that they are NOT here to contribute anything meaningful. Their main purpose is to vent their barely disguised hatred and distain for Muslims/Arabs, but we should not fool ourselves and believe that they�re NOT doing the same thing on African-American and Pro-Jewish forums.

I have �chased� them from Topic to Topic, trying to exchange views/opinions/have a dialogue, but all they do is run. Although they would never intended to make me appear smart and knowledgeable on issues posted here, they have done exactly that. Talking to them is like talking to Dubya - you can never get a straight answer and you�re always accused of �hating them.�

I often sit in amazement and feel very humble when I read the insightful and honest contributions of many participants here, and they are the my guides and educators and my reason for being here.

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Wasalaam Sr. Hanan.  Shaytan makes it seem far too attractive for some of us to neglect to think seriously about the remarks of others, and feel quite self-satisfied to think of a clever but irrelevant response to another's thoughtful question or statement.

This happens among those of both sides, and is a genuine impediment to enlightenment and understanding for both.  It's also not worthy of a Muslim...or anyone else.  Perhaps this kind of talking past rather than with is responsible in many places for much of the world's bloodshed and sorrow.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Patty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 August 2006 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by runner runner wrote:

Originally posted by Hanan Hanan wrote:

Assalamu Aleikum

Thank you, Sister Ummziba, for mistakenly implying that I�m a young and well articulate woman. You have made MY day 

I live among the Above Mentioned and know them well. Most of us know that they are NOT here to contribute anything meaningful. Their main purpose is to vent their barely disguised hatred and distain for Muslims/Arabs, but we should not fool ourselves and believe that they�re NOT doing the same thing on African-American and Pro-Jewish forums.

I have �chased� them from Topic to Topic, trying to exchange views/opinions/have a dialogue, but all they do is run. Although they would never intended to make me appear smart and knowledgeable on issues posted here, they have done exactly that. Talking to them is like talking to Dubya - you can never get a straight answer and you�re always accused of �hating them.�

I often sit in amazement and feel very humble when I read the insightful and honest contributions of many participants here, and they are the my guides and educators and my reason for being here.

Waasalam



Wasalaam Sr. Hanan.  Shaytan makes it seem far too attractive for some of us to neglect to think seriously about the remarks of others, and feel quite self-satisfied to think of a clever but irrelevant response to another's thoughtful question or statement.

This happens among those of both sides, and is a genuine impediment to enlightenment and understanding for both.  It's also not worthy of a Muslim...or anyone else.  Perhaps this kind of talking past rather than with is responsible in many places for much of the world's bloodshed and sorrow.

Exactly so, Runner.

Patty

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