What Muslims think of Isa (Jesus)?

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Apple Pie wrote:

You need to read the Arabic of 4.171�.where Jesus is clearly called the son of God

O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah, and His Word ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (R�h) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Il�h (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And All�h is AllSufficient as a Disposer of affairs.  [Quran, 4:171]

The Messiah will never be proud to reject to be a slave to Allah, nor the angels who are near (to Allah). And whosoever rejects His worship and is proud, then He will gather them all together unto Himself." [Quran, 4:172]

Take a closer look�

�           You The Book's people, do not exaggerate/exceed the limit in your religion,
�           �wa� and do not say on Allah except the truth,
�           but the Messiah, Jesus,
�           Mary's son
�           Allah's messenger
�           �wa� and His Word
�           He threw it away to Mary,
�           �wa� and a Soul/Spirit from Him;
�           �fa� so believe with Allah,
�           �wa� and His messengers,
�           �wa� and do not say: "Three." Stop (it is) best for you,
�           but Allah (is) one Allah,
�           �yakoona� verily he shall be a child for Him
�           what (is) in the skies/space
�           �wa� and what (is) in the earth/Planet Earth, enough/sufficient with Allah (as a) guardian/protector.

It is clear from the text that Jesus is both Mary�s and (in this case) �allah�s� son.
Same theme copied from the Holy Bible.

Observe that Jesus is not merely �allah�s  messenger; but he is also �wa� his Word.
Same theme copied from the Holy Bible.

Furthermore, the �allah� of the Koran is shown to have a Spirit which is also imputed into Jesus.
Same theme copied from the Holy Bible.

Thus�.we have just witnessed three elements of �allah�.
Now...look what is stated next�
 �do not say: "Three."

Why should we not say that �allah� is three when we were just told of three elements that pertain to him�.?

Here�s why�
 Because�
 �Allah (is) one Allah�

What a novel idea.
Same theme copied from the Holy Bible.

Sound familiar�.?

It should, as it is lifted right out of the Holy Bible.

Furthermore�look at what the text states after this�
 �verily he shall be a child for Him�

Rock-solid Biblical confirmation that Jesus is God's son!!!

Any questions�?

Apple Pie wrote:

"Who else (besides God) can raise the dead�?"

Who else can raise the sea to make a pathway? Moses was there, was he the one who raises the sea? no, it was Allah. 
Did Moses raise the dead�?
Yes...or no�.

so does Jesus. it was not Jesus who raise the dead. it was Allah. Allah says "Be" & it is.
Jesus is God.
You need to be asking this question:   Who raised Jesus from the dead? 
The scriptures tell us this� 
� God the Father�Romans 6.4; 10.9; Col 2.11-12; 1 Peter 1.20-21; 1 Cor 6.14; Acts 2.23-24; 3.14-15; 13.30-37; Hebrews 13.20-21; Eph 1.15-20; Gal 1.1; 1 Thes 1.9-10 

� God the Son�John 2.19-22; 10.17-18 
� God the Spirit�Romans 8.11; 1 Peter 3.18 

It is quite clear that the One God that raised Jesus from the dead is: 

� Father 

� Son 
� Holy Spirit

Apple Pie wrote:

Jesus died for our sins in both the Holy Bible and the Koran

Say: "Shall I seek a lord other than All�h, while He is the Lord of all things? No person earns any (sin) except against himself (only), and no bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another. Then unto your Lord is your return, so He will tell you that wherein you have been differing." [Quran, 6:164]

Why is the word �sin� in parenthesis�?
Please show us the Arabic word for �sin��

Whoever goes right, then he goes right only for the benefit of his ownself. And whoever goes astray, then he goes astray to his own loss. No one laden with burdens can bear another's burden. And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning). [Quran, 17:15]

also echoed at 19:7, 53:38. (thanks to Quran database )

These ayahs say nothing (pro or con) regarding Jesus� dying for our sins�

i thought when the Quran states that Jesus was not murdered at the cross, his followers would be happy that Allah saved him & took him to Allah. & yet, why do you want to believe Jesus died an inhuman death at the cross. can't you have even a spark of believe that Jesus was saved by the AlMighty?

The Koran states that Jesus was Crucified.

Why deny�.?

or, if i may say, it's just because if Jesus WAS saved, he then wouldn't die for your sins would he. thus that kind of believe will crumble the basic of your entire faith of Jesus, that he died for your sins?

If Jesus was saved from Crucifixion, then we would have been plainly told this in both the Holy Bible and subsequently in the Koran.

However, both Books tell us that He was indeed Crucified, Resurrected, and that He is God Almighty�

if that's the case, another question. why would he die for you, & not for God? isn't his life is to submit to God. suddenly he died for your sins? why? & if so, you will have a license to commit sins now, since Jesus has died for it. it's all doesn't make sense to me, i'm sorry...

Roman�s 5 should answer your questions�

Rom 5:1  Then being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 
Rom 5:2  through whom also we have had access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we glory on the hope of the glory of God. 
Rom 5:3  And not only so, but we glory also in afflictions, knowing that affliction works out patience, 
Rom 5:4  and patience works out proven character; and proven character, hope. 
Rom 5:5  And the hope does not put us to shame, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit given to us; 
Rom 5:6  for we yet being without strength, in due time Christ died for ungodly ones. 
Rom 5:7  For with difficulty one will die for a just one, (for perhaps one even dares to die for the sake of the good one), 
Rom 5:8  but God commends His love to us in this, that we being yet sinners, Christ died for us. 
Rom 5:9  Much more then, being justified now by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath through Him. 
Rom 5:10  For if while being enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life; 
Rom 5:11  and not only so, but also glorying in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we now received the reconciliation. 
Rom 5:12  Because of this, even as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death passed to all men, inasmuch as all sinned. 
Rom 5:13  For sin was in the world until Law, but sin is not charged where there is no law; 
Rom 5:14  but death reigned from Adam until Moses, even on those who had not sinned in the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a type of the coming One. 
Rom 5:15  But the free gift is not also like the deviation. For if by the deviation of the one the many died, much more the grace of God, and the gift in grace, which is of the one Man, Jesus Christ, did abound to the many. 
Rom 5:16  And the gift is not as by one having sinned; for indeed the judgment was of one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many deviations to justification. 
Rom 5:17  For if by the deviation of the one death reigned through the one, much more those who are receiving the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness shall rule in life by the One, Jesus Christ. 
Rom 5:18  So then, as through one deviation it was toward all men to condemnation, so also through one righteous act toward all men to justification of life. 
Rom 5:19  For as through the one man's disobedience the many were constituted sinners, so also through the obedience of the One the many shall be constituted righteous. 
Rom 5:20  But Law came in besides, that the deviation might abound. But where sin abounded, grace much more abounded, 
Rom 5:21  that as sin ruled in death, so also grace might rule through righteousness to everlasting life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. 

but on a positive note, if you care to notice, muslims DO believe in Jesus & his techings & the holy book sent to Jesus. it is one of Islam pillars of faith. so we do believe in Jesus's message.

If you believed in Jesus and His message, then you would be taking Him as your Lord and Savior at this very moment�

Is this the case�?