Does the New Testament teach that Jesus ?

Hi rbaitz,

Look @ DavidC's Post:

rbaitz, all five pillars of Islam were demonstrated in the life of Jesus.

We may disagree about dogma, names, conceptualizations and history
but it seems clear to this Christian that Jesus works through Islam as well
as Christianity.

DavidC

My Input:  I agree with David C, Without Jesus (PBUH) Islam wouldn't be a complete religion  Because Jesus Peace Be Upon Him is one of our prophets... therefore, if we don't believe and accept all the prophets we are breaking our promise to God that we have to accept all the prophets.

That's all,

Peace!

rbaitz wrote: AhmadJoyia First thank you for participating in this discussion. You asked if this is a strange equation? As finite beings we don�t possess all knowledge. However God does because He is infinite. Therefore, we can only bow our knee to Him and what He has revealed to us. Even if this means we don�t always understand God�s purposes and revealed word in the Bible. Also as finite beings we should be humble in our questioning of God�s word because the question could be the problem versus the answer.

Again strange replies through conjectures. On one side you admit your (human) weakness of not understanding the infinite God and on the other hand you are bent upon to draw conclusions regarding God's father and son relation. Aren't you confused with your own self? What if I should also show you thousand other places where Jesus acted where only human could do that, but ofcourse, I don't want to get into that debate.

rbaitz wrote: To answer your second and third questions, yes it is important to recognize Jesus as the eternal Son of God. Why do I believe this? Because the Bible teaches it, read for yourself,....

Again, your answers here refute your earlier response. Now you are again seem to rely more on the conjectures based on unkown writers than on the undeniable fact and i.e. Jesus prayed to the God. He asked mercy from the God. It is in this very undeniable, and unrefutable fact found in these gospels that calls for muslims to recognise the Christians as the "people of the book". So, let us put aside the conjectures and totally be obeident to one and only one God, the God to whom Jesus also used to pray and ask forgiveness. This shall definitely make Jesus happy that you are following him and not conjectures. This shall in no way be contradicting your gospels neither it would be against the actions of Jesus and nor would it degrade your prayer but raise it to higher levels. Isn't it? Don't you agree that the proposed solution is a fair agreement between you and the God. Leaving conjectures aside and holding on to the facts. May God of Jesus bless us all. Amen.

rbaitz wrote: In the Bible when did Jesus ask for forgiveness of himself? To ask forgiveness means you failed in some way or sinned in some way.

Hello Robin,

I know your post is primarily for Brother Ahmad, but I want to interfere the discourse for only one point.

In Islam Prophets are considered sinless. So they do not need to seek forgiveness, however, the prophet of Islam, Muhammad (SAW) is reported to have been seeking forgiveness of Allah seventy times each day. He did not need it, he is the best of creation, and is the most beloved of Allah most high. Yet, his seeking forgiveness signifies his humility towards his creator.

The relationship of man and God is that of serventhood and Lordship, so the clause of humility remains between the two for all creations. That is the ettiquette infront of Allah.

Jesus (AS) was humble, and knew the perfect adab with Allah. He did not sin, but I doubt bible preaching he did not show his servanthood towards allah or that he did not need this (?)

Peace.

Nausheen

rbaitz wrote: Nausheen  But the point I want to make is that the Bible doesn't show Jesus ever asking for forgiveness for Himself because He was and is sinless.

Okay, so this is what the Bible says. Thank you.

rbaitz wrote: However Moses on the other hand, though was a man of God sinned against God as you can read in the book of Exodus. As a result of his sin God didn't allow him into the promised land. Another prophet was Jonah who sinned against God by not preaching to the Ninavites as God commanded him to.

The Quran however says the Moses killed the man by mistake. And a mistake is not a sin.

Are you talking about Prophet Yunus? who was swolled by the fish. If yes, then again, he made a mistake by not delivering the message, that was not a sin. He realised, repented and then returned to his people to complete his mission. - that is how we know the stories from the Quran.

Peace.